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Let me know if I'm on the right path or not

by MarkPaloma
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Hi guys,

I'm not looking for sympathy here. I just wanted to feel motivated today.

Here's the story:
I'm new around and just launched my first WSO Marketing: [OFFLINERS & RESELLERS] $25 WHITE LABEL Social Media Service:Facebook,Twitter,Google Plus & LinkedIn
I'm looking for possible ways to help me get more customers and the first thing that came into my mind was offering FREE 1 month service to some of the "big guys" here.

I sent 15-20 PMs to those who I think have good reputations especially on this section, OFFLINE.

It's funny how this guy responded to my offer.
He said:
"I have no use for your product or you disingenuous PMs."

I'm not sure if I'm in the right place to react to this. Anyone???

I know my action seems to be a bit aggressive or unethical for some people out there, but a YES or a NO respond would be enough.

I got response from most of the people I have sent messages and all of them answered me politely, some are interested and some are not.

I really respect this guy, been reading his posts and I really think he's one of the trusted people. But after receiving his message today, I think half of my respect is ripped off

We all work hard around here to provide the needs of our family right?
Sometimes we do things that are not likeable for others.

To all the people out there who are reading this, I hope this thread will make you realize something.

We (new members) need the respect and guidance of our SENIORS.

Let me know if I'm in the right path or not.

Just please don't yell at me
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  • Profile picture of the author James English
    Ya know, its actually something I might be interested in..I am just a bit confused by your pricing. Social Package A and C seem to offer the exact same thing at different price points.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I hope whoever it was just had a bad day. There is never a reason to be rude.
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    • Profile picture of the author abbot
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      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      I hope whoever it was just had a bad day. There is never a reason to be rude.
      I don't see that being rude at all...This is business, this is sales, if a response like that offends someone, they should not be in this game...

      Again..my opinion..

      I see spamming peoples PM's being more disrespectful than the response this guy got.

      Perhaps I'm reading this wrong OP...but is this really a post about you spamming peoples inbox, pushing a product, and getting a response you didn't like?
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      • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
        Originally Posted by abbot View Post

        I don't see that being rude at all...This is business, this is sales, if a response like that offends someone, they should not be in this game...

        Again..my opinion..

        I see spamming peoples PM's being more disrespectful than the response this guy got.

        Perhaps I'm reading this wrong OP...but is this really a post about you spamming peoples inbox, pushing a product, and getting a response you didn't like?
        Maybe that's what I'm doing. Spamming people.

        Tell me, is it wrong to send PMs about your offer/service?

        If Yes, I will remain silent from now on
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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by MarkPaloma View Post

          Tell me, is it wrong to send PMs about your offer/service? If Yes, I will remain silent from now on
          I wrote yesterday but could not be bothered, but some still say it is OK to do. It is unsolicited spam, and to further this is is outlined in the forum rules as against site policy, so for everyone saying it is OK then here is a snippet for your interest.

          forum rules > Limitations of Use of Other User's Information; No Spam "You agree that, with respect to other users' personal information that you obtain through the Website or through any Website-related communication or any Website-facilitated transaction, we have granted to you a license to use such information only for: (a) any Website-related communications that are not unsolicited commercial messages"
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe J
            Originally Posted by tryinhere View Post

            I wrote yesterday but could not be bothered, but some still say it is OK to do. It is unsolicited spam, and to further this is is outlined in the forum rules as against site policy, so for everyone saying it is OK then here is a snippet for your interest.

            forum rules > Limitations of Use of Other User's Information; No Spam "You agree that, with respect to other users' personal information that you obtain through the Website or through any Website-related communication or any Website-facilitated transaction, we have granted to you a license to use such information only for: (a) any Website-related communications that are not unsolicited commercial messages"

            Open and closed case.

            Op, I think you have the best intentions but are just directing your drive in the wrong place.

            I know there's lots of services being offered here on the forum so you have to get yourself out there above a lot of other marketer's offers.

            Offering something for free is definitely a great idea to build your trust. Offer some free advice on here (start a post, answer other's posts, etc.) so people can get used to your services being offered, it will go a long long way. I read a lot and can tell who is sincerely helping and who is really pushing services or goods or a lil of both.
            People will look your way when they need services that you happen to be offering.

            I'm not an expert at any of this but just making an observation.

            I wish you the best, especially since I notice that you are really trying to succeed,

            Joe

            P.S. I think you really are on the right path!
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            • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
              Originally Posted by Joe J View Post

              Open and closed case.

              Op, I think you have the best intentions but are just directing your drive in the wrong place.

              I know there's lots of services being offered here on the forum so you have to get yourself out there above a lot of other marketer's offers.

              Offering something for free is definitely a great idea to build your trust. Offer some free advice on here (start a post, answer other's posts, etc.) so people can get used to your services being offered, it will go a long long way. I read a lot and can tell who is sincerely helping and who is really pushing services or goods or a lil of both.
              People will look your way when they need services that you happen to be offering.

              I'm not an expert at any of this but just making an observation.

              I wish you the best, especially since I notice that you are really trying to succeed,

              Joe

              P.S. I think you really are on the right path!
              Hi Joe,

              Thanks for your advice.

              I agree with you. It is really hard to compete with others especially I'm just new around. I need to think of better ways to boost my WSO's exposure here on the forum.

              Reading all the posts made me realize that others ignore newbies like me.
              Some are irritated because they receive PMs which really should not be a big deal. If they don't like the PM they are FREE to hit the DELETE button :p.

              It's funny that "MOST", not all, of those who hate to receive "SPAM" messages are doing the same thing. Am I right? Let's admit it.

              We are all the same here. We ALL started as newbies.

              Being rude??? Nah!!! That will not lead us to where we want.

              A smile like this will do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    Nice recovery Mark, you go from spamming pms to creating spam posts.

    You saidWe (new members) need the respect and guidance of our SENIORS

    Earn that respect by participating and giving value to others and not by crying and spamming.


    But it is confusing at times as we are on a marketing board where people talk about cold calling, spamming emails , littering driveways and such all in the name of making a sale but send an unsolicited pm to someone and OH NO!!! YOU SUCK YOU DIRTY SPAMMER.

    Its all about getting used to what is accepted within any "community" and right now you wont get much slack, being a spamming newbie and all:rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Nice recovery Mark, you go from spamming pms to creating spam posts.

      You saidWe (new members) need the respect and guidance of our SENIORS

      Earn that respect by participating and giving value to others and not by crying and spamming.
      OK, I'll take that as a constructive criticism buddy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Nice recovery Mark, you go from spamming pms to creating spam posts.

      You saidWe (new members) need the respect and guidance of our SENIORS

      Earn that respect by participating and giving value to others and not by crying and spamming.


      But it is confusing at times as we are on a marketing board where people talk about cold calling, spamming emails , littering driveways and such all in the name of making a sale but send an unsolicited pm to someone and OH NO!!! YOU SUCK YOU DIRTY SPAMMER.

      Its all about getting used to what is accepted within any "community" and right now you wont get much slack, being a spamming newbie and all:rolleyes:

      That was pretty directly on target. Yes, we seem to hate others bothering us with techniques that we teach!:rolleyes:

      As an aside; A PM with an unsolicited offer simply gets deleted. It does make a difference to me if I've read a few helpful posts by the sender first.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Nice recovery Mark, you go from spamming pms to creating spam posts.

      You saidWe (new members) need the respect and guidance of our SENIORS

      Earn that respect by participating and giving value to others and not by crying and spamming.


      But it is confusing at times as we are on a marketing board where people talk about cold calling, spamming emails , littering driveways and such all in the name of making a sale but send an unsolicited pm to someone and OH NO!!! YOU SUCK YOU DIRTY SPAMMER.

      Its all about getting used to what is accepted within any "community" and right now you wont get much slack, being a spamming newbie and all:rolleyes:
      Yeah, I guess that's what it is.

      I'm still happy with the response of others to my "spam messages", whatever you call it.

      I just don't get it when people try to act like they know everything and do not give others a chance. We all started as NEWBIE and I think being polite with a polite message/email/PM is not a hard thing to do.

      I might change my name in the future to "THE GREAT SPAMMER"
      That way, if I send messages others will immediately recognize it and hit the DELETE button.
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  • Profile picture of the author J R Salem
    I thought your PM was fine.

    I don't keep up with all the services here, so its nice sometimes to see new offerings.

    Don't let people get to you, just ignore the rude responses and move forward.

    Can't please everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Mark,

    1) First, you have to have a relationship with people for them to help you with your WSO or whatever.

    2) Then, they have to want to help you. Meaning do they have the time to vet you and your product or service. Then, they have to decide if they want to risk promoting you -an unknown.

    3) The ones you spammed probably already have your type of service in place after months or years of perfecting. So, why would they want to take the time and brain power to switch horses? Why would they want to be disloyal to anybody who works for them as an employee or contractor?

    4) I think it's in bad taste to publicly quote a PM (aka Private Message).

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    • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      Mark,

      1) First, you have to have a relationship with people for them to help you with your WSO or whatever.

      2) Then, they have to want to help you. Meaning do they have the time to vet you and your product or service. Then, they have to decide if they want to risk promoting you -an unknown.

      3) The ones you spammed probably already have your type of service in place after months or years of perfecting. So, why would they want to take the time and brain power to switch horses? Why would they want to be disloyal to anybody who works for them as an employee or contractor?

      4) I think it's in bad taste to publicly quote a PM (aka Private Message).

      Dan
      Yeah, that's what I did. I stated clearly in my message that I will offer them 1 month FREE service to test our service.

      I did not mention his name so I guess it's ok,
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    I was seriously considering taking you up on your offer. I was in the social media forum just last week asking for a solution.

    But...

    One of the very first things I look for when evaluating a service provider is how they deal with complaints and adversity. I am always looking for someone who responds to criticism with a lot of grace because I know that if I do business with them long enough, there WILL be problems.

    I instantly disqualify anyone who responds to criticism with anything but good will and politeness.

    I'm not always perfect but with my prospects and clients empathy and understanding are what I try to live by. You starting this thread and criticizing the pm publicly put a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it makes you seem insecure and man I don't use insecure service providers because as soon as there is a problem or as a customer I may eventually have a complaint... I don't need you to get offended or angry. I need empathy, understanding, and for you to help me.

    I almost deleted your pm and my gut reaction was to call you a spammer but then I saw the pm was at least a bit personalized so I read it and liked it.

    You coming to start this thread is not a very graceful move. You don't know what that person is experiencing right now and you should give him the benefit of the doubt. He's human after all.

    By the way...you should put the personal message near the top of your mail. I happened to look further down and saw you at least knew where I hang out. My first response was irritation also. The irritation of prospects is YOUR fault... Not theirs.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      I was seriously considering taking you up on your offer. I was in the social media forum just last week asking for a solution.

      But...

      One of the very first things I look for when evaluating a service provider is how they deal with complaints and adversity. I am always looking for someone who responds to criticism with a lot of grace because I know that if I do business with them long enough, there WILL be problems.

      I instantly disqualify anyone who responds to criticism with anything but good will and politeness.

      I'm not always perfect but with my prospects and clients empathy and understanding are what I try to live by. You starting this thread and criticizing the pm publicly put a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it makes you seem insecure and man I don't use insecure service providers because as soon as there is a problem or as a customer I may eventually have a complaint... I don't need you to get offended or angry. I need empathy, understanding, and for you to help me.

      I almost deleted your pm and my gut reaction was to call you a spammed but then I saw the pm was at least a bit personalized so I read it and liked it.

      You coming to start this thread is not a very graceful move. You don't know what that person is experiencing right now and you should give him the benefit of the doubt. He's human after all.

      By the way...you should put the personal message near the top of your mail. I happened to look further down and saw you at least knew where I hang out. My first response was irritation also. The irritation of prospects is YOUR fault... Not theirs.
      Hi Dan,

      I guess I made the wrong move of starting this thread.
      I can't find other way to let others know about my service aside from sending PMs offering FREE service in exchange to a review.

      I only sent messages to those who I think have been around for a while and contributing to the forum (15-20 people).

      I think there's nothing wrong about that, let me know.

      Responding politely is not hard to do. A yes or a no is enough even no response at all.
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    be a patient and keep going.. you are on a right path..
    spend your time something that is important and ignore the Res!
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    Hi Mark,

    My advice would be to ignore the people who are rude or snap at you, why let them bother you?

    As others have said, in the sales game this is to be expected. In the past I've had many angry and rude responses to my marketing efforts, do I let it bother me even in the slightest? Absolutely not.
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    Mark,

    You have to understand that people have bad days too. Also in sales, you will encounter a lot of rude people and plenty of rejection, so you have to get used to it. Imagine yourself in there place, if you get unsolicited email when you are in a bad mood, what will your reaction be?
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
      Originally Posted by bsummers View Post

      Mark,

      You have to understand that people have bad days too. Also in sales, you will encounter a lot of rude people and plenty of rejection, so you have to get used to it. Imagine yourself in there place, if you get unsolicited email when you are in a bad mood, what will your reaction be?
      I will just hit the DELETE button. LOL

      I understand your point buddy.
      I'll get there! I'll get used to this.
      It's my first time to SPAM 15 people :p
      Only 1 responded negatively, I think that's good.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    Here is a suggestion to you, and other, future warriors in your same situation.

    Maybe instead of sending unsolicited PM's you can open a thread in the "War Room". It gets tons of traffic from a bunch of warriors. Offer a limited number of free versions of your offer and ask that they give a review in return. Not all will give a review, but a lot will. That section is heavily trafficked and a great way to get some early feedback. When you have the feedback you want, close the thread!

    Then, you can send the same message for the same purpose and instead of being called a SPAMMER you will be lauded as a HERO.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkPaloma
      Originally Posted by mrjosco View Post

      Here is a suggestion to you, and other, future warriors in your same situation.

      Maybe instead of sending unsolicited PM's you can open a thread in the "War Room". It gets tons of traffic from a bunch of warriors. Offer a limited number of free versions of your offer and ask that they give a review in return. Not all will give a review, but a lot will. That section is heavily trafficked and a great way to get some early feedback. When you have the feedback you want, close the thread!

      Then, you can send the same message for the same purpose and instead of being called a SPAMMER you will be lauded as a HERO.
      Thanks!

      I'll think about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Writerdave
    In as much as I understand where you are coming from, Imagine being the guy who gets all this unsolicited PM's each and every day. You must be pissed! I doubt your offer had anything wrong, just that it might have got a guy who was not in the mood. It happens. Be mindful on how you PM people in the future
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