Keeping Outsourced Telemarketers Separate or managed?

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Everyone has heard the term don't keep all your eggs in one basket. I have a telemarketer doing a great job for my offline business and I plan on hiring two more this week. Should I have that telemarketer be their manager and train them? The only reason I wouldn't is that I fear them becoming "pals" and leaving or trying to start their own version of my company; whereas if I had them not know about each other that wouldn't be possible. The perks of having them communicate would be helping each other with sales and getting more sales overall. I could also hire a VA to manage them all without them communicating with each other. What do you guys think the best business move would be- we sell web design and seo offline fyi.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Is your current TM making you money? Then keep them doing what they're doing.

    Skill at something does not translate into being able to teach it.

    IMO you should train the salespeople yourself for now.
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    • Profile picture of the author aharrold
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Is your current TM making you money? Then keep them doing what they're doing.

      Skill at something does not translate into being able to teach it.

      IMO you should train the salespeople yourself for now.

      Thank you for the great advice, I think its better to manage the sales team myself also. Diversifying your income is a smart move and I also think the same could be said with your work force in a sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author marc.v
    Get recordings of your pro guy to use as training material for your new guys.
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    • Profile picture of the author aharrold
      Originally Posted by marc.v View Post

      Get recordings of your pro guy to use as training material for your new guys.
      Yeah, I think the smartest thing is to have your number one salesman create a guide for new employees- great advice!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by aharrold View Post

        Yeah, I think the smartest thing is to have your number one salesman create a guide for new employees- great advice!
        I don't. Skill at something does not translate into teaching it.

        While your top salesperson is training someone, it's not like he or she is working at 50% or 25% and the other person is at 50%. It's like they are both at 0%. Can you handle that kind of production drop?

        Sharing recordings is fine, because it doesn't take any time away from your top salesperson's day. But how do you expect newbies to know what to listen for?

        This is not as easy as it seems.
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        • Profile picture of the author aharrold
          Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

          I don't. Skill at something does not translate into teaching it.

          While your top salesperson is training someone, it's not like he or she is working at 50% or 25% and the other person is at 50%. It's like they are both at 0%. Can you handle that kind of production drop?

          Sharing recordings is fine, because it doesn't take any time away from your top salesperson's day. But how do you expect newbies to know what to listen for?

          This is not as easy as it seems.
          I understand what you are saying, but having that as a resource is never a bad thing. Hands on training by me is obviously the biggest factor other than their sales experience and the learning curve.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I am assuming you trained your current telemarketer. If so, then it's better for you to train new ones. The current one will still work proficiently while you're training more instead of taking his time to train others.

    There is also a slight possibility that a current telemarketer may train others badly to make himself look better (minimal chance but it does happen. I have seen it myself when I used to manage call centres.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I am assuming you trained your current telemarketer. If so, then it's better for you to train new ones. The current one will still work proficiently while you're training more instead of taking his time to train others.

      There is also a slight possibility that a current telemarketer may train others badly to make himself look better (minimal chance but it does happen. I have seen it myself when I used to manage call centres.)

      Yeah, you should write the manual. If these are people in completely different areas, there is no reason for each to even know the other ones exist.

      The only time these group dynamics are helpful is when they are all in the same room, and you are managing them in person. Then you can stop the inevitable revolts and mutinies.

      With extremely rare exceptions...all employees go bad. And idle chat between them makes that happen faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dizain
    I agree which the others. I think u should train them yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    So what's worse? Removing some time from a tried and tested TM to train others at what he/she is good at or removing the (surely more valuable time) of the PM to train the new boys?

    Some of these answers seem rather over-simplistic. Who's to say your goto TM isn't going to be the best trainer in the world? Surely it's worth investigating whether they may be any good at the role? I'd certainly set aside a little time to talk to them about it and get a feel for how they think they might be. Simply writing them off as a trainer seems ludicrous. That person *knows* what they're doing - and hopefully knowing that what they're doing (from your feedback) is adding value to the enterprise.

    This business of not empowering people to better themselves and offer promotion and/or incentives to improve their standing is exactly what is wrong with the mindsets of many here and harmful to the longevity of enterprise and small business growth, in general.

    It's also the fast road to losing your best employees to competitors or going alone and stealing your business plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    I agree that you should keep the productive TM as a TM.
    Good at selling does not mean good at managing and training.
    Also, some people do not want to manage. (More on Organizational
    Development and employee retention later.)

    Do the recordings. Also, pick his or her brains for how they
    learned to be good at what you are having them do.
    And for the tweaks he's come up with that work for your
    business.

    Do the training guide yourself and provide them with
    effective training like Jason's, and what the guys and gals
    here have on their reading/listening lists.

    Also, don't hire a VA or the current TM to manage
    the TMs. You don't sound like a big enough
    organization, yet, to require a manager
    between you and the TMs.

    I think too much vital information would not reach
    you, or not reach the TMs from you. Either some
    kind of power grab, sabotage or just incompetence
    ("I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you ..." or "I'm so sorry,
    I forgot to tell TM1 that you wanted to change that...")

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    As for Organizational Development and employee retention,
    it's a myth that everyone wants a promotion, or that
    promotions to management are what people want for
    recognition and to stay at a company.

    Picking the brains of your TM should be one good recognition
    of his value to you. As one heavily recruited executive
    said; he chose to stay where he is because he loves the company
    and what they do, is paid enough, and they keep letting him
    doing what he likes to do. There are effective non-monetary,
    non-promotion ways to recognize and retain employees.

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    A professional acquaintance of mine was VP of Training and
    Development for a large banking organization. Time after
    time they would promote a good employee to management
    and this person would then discover that they really did not want
    to manage for such reasons as the staffing headaches or the
    new duties or hours.

    Sometimes, they would find out that the newly promoted
    person just did not have the management and leadership skills
    needed to do the new job.

    They ended up incorporating testing, and developed films
    that demonstrated what people actually do in certain jobs
    and so on.

    This allowed them to filter candidates better. And, it allowed
    people to decide ahead of time that they really did not want to
    be promoted to management.

    They also developed what they called management track and
    a professional track. This served as a way to retain employees
    by giving them more career choices and recognition, and esteem
    regardless of which path they chose.

    As for rewards and bonuses, or other ways to retain talent and grow.
    You can do a lot by paying attention to the culture you develop. And,
    by developing a positive culture that rewards individuals in the unique
    way they want to be rewarded and recognized.

    Maybe your TM just wants flex time and wants to continue or begin
    working from home... Maybe an employee wants the cash equivalent
    of the bonus or perk because he does not want the trip to Hawaii
    or whatever. If they are worthy, recognize and reward according
    to what they want.

    (I hope this makes sense and helps. I'm getting sleepy.)

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