Flyer for local prospects - Is this the right message?

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Hi guys!

A week ago I have decided to join Usana under my sister, which I am dead serious about their business, and I am having 2 pair of bottles being sold already. But the thing is that I don't have much invites for a day, I only average from 0-2/day, and I want to increase it to 3-5/day, and I have a cool strategy for that one.

What I have prepared right now is a flyer that I can photocopy for a hundred copies, and I know what places should I do some flyer thing. My question is, what sort of message should be effective in the flyer ad? Should I also include the name of its company in the ad?

My own ad is the following (plain text only, Impact font):

Want to earn
$200-$300 per month
Part Time?

Text [NAME] for more info
[Mobile Number]

But for those people who are prioritizing their health more than money, what would be the best ad copy I should write? Like "Want To Be 100% Healthy bla bla bla...?"

I need your opinions guys, and I wanna succeed with this awesome company. Thanks!
#flyer #local #message #prospects
  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Can you tell me a bit about what you are selling and how you make money?

    I would never join an MLM that is about the "opportunity" because that means it is just a pyramid. But if the product is success you sell the product and than recruit people who buy from you that you think could also sell.

    It's honestly no different than over the years as a retail manager that I recruited customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Willy
      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      Can you tell me a bit about what you are selling and how you make money?

      I would never join an MLM that is about the "opportunity" because that means it is just a pyramid. But if the product is success you sell the product and than recruit people who buy from you that you think could also sell.

      It's honestly no different than over the years as a retail manager that I recruited customers.
      We are selling pharmaceutical grade health supplements that benefits people who suffer from cancer, diabetes, high blood, etc, and also for maintaining our overall health. We also have weight loss and beauty products as well. I am not here just because of the opportunity, I am here because these products are amazing and effective for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Have you looked through the Copywriting Forum for ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Do you have rules for advertising there? I know in the US some of the advertising that works is actually a bit illegal.

    BTW second the copy writing forum.

    Put yourself in their place. What would make you call or text?
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin T Wells
      Jeff, I want you to succeed and I ask that you read every word of this lengthy post- I can't really shorten it without taking away from it. Read the whole thing from the standpoint that I truly do hope the company is everything you hope it is and that all works out well for you.

      The short answer is test it. But keep in mind if you advertise something simple and very broad, you will get quite a range of responses from all sorts of people who each have all sorts of assumptions in their mind. I can pick out most of the mlm ads in the job section of the paper because the ones that are run over and over follow a similar theme. But many are run because they have been tested and pulled decent enough responses for many years. For instance, all the "sports minded" headlines. Buck, whom I'll mention in a moment, literally had a binder full of 100+ ads he had tested over time in the employment sections of newspapers all over the country.

      The longer answer is let me tell you a story and please do more due diligence no matter how much you love the company. In fact, the more you love the company and the people, please research it even more...

      When I was 18, I sold for a company called Equinox International. In fact, it was how I spent my summer in between high school and college. The products were generally pretty good. They had some anti-smoking herbal pills that worked like a charm for lots of people. I am generally against mlm's selling magic pills, but many of them seemed to do what they promised when I tested them on myself. Their water filters were excellent, including a great filtered shower head. Like most of these sorts of companies, the prices were a bit high, which was a sticking point to getting people to actually buy, particularly for the soaps and shampoos. For a few years after the company closed (more on that later), people were actively searching out distributers who still had product so that they could use them for personal use- because of the quality.

      The problem was that hardly anyone sold product. The company didn't teach or support you hardly at all in selling product. It was all about getting people to sign up who will sell for you. But those people are pitched the same idea, etc. At 18, I was one of the youngest "director" level people. That means literally nothing other than a handful of people who responded to an ad were pitched and sold by my upline into a $5k package. I burned a lot of bridges turning toward my warm market. In fact, I'm pretty sure my high school changed their policy regarding the student directory in part due to me calling so many from it to pitch showing up to a meeting or whatever.

      The guy that recruited me was Buck Reed. This guy could have sold anything to just about anyone. He would probably be worth $100m or more today if he had just stayed out of MLM/network marketing. If you google him, you will find that he went on to a number of similar companies, taking a step down in quality seemingly at every turn. Last I heard, he was arrested for shoplifting and is being investigated by the FBI. Pretty much all the guys at the top seem to have similar colorful histories. What you have to understand is that these top earners are often "bought." They bring a downline and their charm to the top spots many times for an outright, under the table bribe.

      So anyway, this company seemed great at the time. In hindsight, there were many of the classic warning signs, but I didn't know that then- as was the case for many people. In a way, I'm now grateful that he or his assistant literally stole money from me because it made me walk away from that company sooner than I otherwise would have.

      The company was shut down and the founder barred from the industry. He's now spending his time going around and suing all the former leadership for stealing his ideas and systems, which is kind of funny when you google the types of trainings they put on. I'm reserving judgement on whose fault everything is at the top- could have been them all, could have been a handful. We will never know. I don't know how much any of these guys ever really owned anyway because everything was leased it seems. Many were still "faking it til they made it" even near the top.

      I'm not saying Usana is Equinox, but I urge you to research Equinox and some others that did fail first. Then compare them to Usana. This will allow you to hopefully make some comparisans and judge for yourself a bit better whether you are with a good company or not. Remember, the products are not enough. They could have the best products in the world and still fail as a company depending on their practices. If Usana is still looking good, wonderful.

      I would like you to look at the compensation report on the Usana website. Like many similar companies, it does not look good at all when you crunch the numbers. Less than 1% make up the top 5 tiers combined in the "full time" category. That is NOT good. The next 3 tiers down combined make another 1.2% of the reps ranging from around $400-900 a week. The rest of the tiers have pretty pathetic income. Now I am purposely ignoring the "% active" column, because when you check th footnotes, that is throwing out the people who have not earned a commission check in certain period of time. That is an arbitrary measurement that basically is saying, if you ignore the people who have had no luck, quit, or are just signed up for a discount, then the numbers look better. Unfortunately the footnotes are being used to explain away the poor overall numbers, which is not a good sign. Footnotes should be used to show risks and caveats, NOT to sell us on why we should paint a rosier picture if we throw out a bunch of the data. Also keep in mind that the "income" is not including the personal orders people are making to keep their earnings, so even these low numbers are inflated.

      Here is my suggestion: Forget about signing people up right now no matter how much you love the products. Spend at least 1-3 months selling the products only to regular people, not mlm types- though you need to target the more affluent. Leave the mlm/network marketing lingo aside and focus on selling the products. If your upline tells you the opposite, consider running. Do not even attempt to sell the opportunity until you can prove that you can sell the products on their own to people.

      If you can do that, and you still believe in the company, not only will you likely make money longer term, but you will likely excel and do very well for yourself- if and only if the product is sellable on its own merits.

      You will then be able to legitimately show people who sign up how to make money selling product versus just opportunity. Insist that your downline do exactly as you did. Provide them training and support on how to sell product. REQUIRE they do this before selling the opportunity. You may just find that others start asking you to train their people. They might even pay you, and you might be able to make additional income doing seminars and selling packaged training products.

      As others have said, if you skip all of this and everyone's focus is on the opportunity, consider looking for the exit before you get too far into this. But I do hope things work out well for you. Just keep in mind that most everyone who signs up is thinking exactly as you are right now- hardly anyone signs up planning to fail.

      I hope it's clear that I'm not trying to knock the company or your goals, because I know that won't help anything at all. I just want to be sure you look at it from all different angles other than product quality and internal company training/koolaid.
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      • Profile picture of the author AussieT
        great advice Justin
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Lawless
          If you do your research and find out that this company is legit then why a flyer? You could reach more people with a webinar.
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          • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
            The most important step is to id your TARGET audience....demographics, interests, and COMMONALITIES.

            The better you can "define" your target the easier it is to "find" them.

            In my opinion the greatest tool for accomplishing this remains the SRDS. I'm pretty sure they no longer print it in hard copy but you can usually find a copy in any major library.

            The SRDS has been used over the years by almost every great marketer because it literally provides a wealth of information including available lists available laser targeted.

            I would also advise you to do your legal research as a lot of marketers have run into major legal problems in this industry. It's also very competitive so it is crucial that you position yourself differently from the mass of asses pimping the same "stuff."

            Here's wishing u great success.

            Vegas Vince
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Willy
        Originally Posted by Justin T Wells View Post

        Jeff, I want you to succeed and I ask that you read every word of this lengthy post- I can't really shorten it without taking away from it. Read the whole thing from the standpoint that I truly do hope the company is everything you hope it is and that all works out well for you.

        The short answer is test it. But keep in mind if you advertise something simple and very broad, you will get quite a range of responses from all sorts of people who each have all sorts of assumptions in their mind. I can pick out most of the mlm ads in the job section of the paper because the ones that are run over and over follow a similar theme. But many are run because they have been tested and pulled decent enough responses for many years. For instance, all the "sports minded" headlines. Buck, whom I'll mention in a moment, literally had a binder full of 100+ ads he had tested over time in the employment sections of newspapers all over the country.

        The longer answer is let me tell you a story and please do more due diligence no matter how much you love the company. In fact, the more you love the company and the people, please research it even more...

        When I was 18, I sold for a company called Equinox International. In fact, it was how I spent my summer in between high school and college. The products were generally pretty good. They had some anti-smoking herbal pills that worked like a charm for lots of people. I am generally against mlm's selling magic pills, but many of them seemed to do what they promised when I tested them on myself. Their water filters were excellent, including a great filtered shower head. Like most of these sorts of companies, the prices were a bit high, which was a sticking point to getting people to actually buy, particularly for the soaps and shampoos. For a few years after the company closed (more on that later), people were actively searching out distributers who still had product so that they could use them for personal use- because of the quality.

        The problem was that hardly anyone sold product. The company didn't teach or support you hardly at all in selling product. It was all about getting people to sign up who will sell for you. But those people are pitched the same idea, etc. At 18, I was one of the youngest "director" level people. That means literally nothing other than a handful of people who responded to an ad were pitched and sold by my upline into a $5k package. I burned a lot of bridges turning toward my warm market. In fact, I'm pretty sure my high school changed their policy regarding the student directory in part due to me calling so many from it to pitch showing up to a meeting or whatever.

        The guy that recruited me was Buck Reed. This guy could have sold anything to just about anyone. He would probably be worth $100m or more today if he had just stayed out of MLM/network marketing. If you google him, you will find that he went on to a number of similar companies, taking a step down in quality seemingly at every turn. Last I heard, he was arrested for shoplifting and is being investigated by the FBI. Pretty much all the guys at the top seem to have similar colorful histories. What you have to understand is that these top earners are often "bought." They bring a downline and their charm to the top spots many times for an outright, under the table bribe.

        So anyway, this company seemed great at the time. In hindsight, there were many of the classic warning signs, but I didn't know that then- as was the case for many people. In a way, I'm now grateful that he or his assistant literally stole money from me because it made me walk away from that company sooner than I otherwise would have.

        The company was shut down and the founder barred from the industry. He's now spending his time going around and suing all the former leadership for stealing his ideas and systems, which is kind of funny when you google the types of trainings they put on. I'm reserving judgement on whose fault everything is at the top- could have been them all, could have been a handful. We will never know. I don't know how much any of these guys ever really owned anyway because everything was leased it seems. Many were still "faking it til they made it" even near the top.

        I'm not saying Usana is Equinox, but I urge you to research Equinox and some others that did fail first. Then compare them to Usana. This will allow you to hopefully make some comparisans and judge for yourself a bit better whether you are with a good company or not. Remember, the products are not enough. They could have the best products in the world and still fail as a company depending on their practices. If Usana is still looking good, wonderful.

        I would like you to look at the compensation report on the Usana website. Like many similar companies, it does not look good at all when you crunch the numbers. Less than 1% make up the top 5 tiers combined in the "full time" category. That is NOT good. The next 3 tiers down combined make another 1.2% of the reps ranging from around $400-900 a week. The rest of the tiers have pretty pathetic income. Now I am purposely ignoring the "% active" column, because when you check th footnotes, that is throwing out the people who have not earned a commission check in certain period of time. That is an arbitrary measurement that basically is saying, if you ignore the people who have had no luck, quit, or are just signed up for a discount, then the numbers look better. Unfortunately the footnotes are being used to explain away the poor overall numbers, which is not a good sign. Footnotes should be used to show risks and caveats, NOT to sell us on why we should paint a rosier picture if we throw out a bunch of the data. Also keep in mind that the "income" is not including the personal orders people are making to keep their earnings, so even these low numbers are inflated.

        Here is my suggestion: Forget about signing people up right now no matter how much you love the products. Spend at least 1-3 months selling the products only to regular people, not mlm types- though you need to target the more affluent. Leave the mlm/network marketing lingo aside and focus on selling the products. If your upline tells you the opposite, consider running. Do not even attempt to sell the opportunity until you can prove that you can sell the products on their own to people.

        If you can do that, and you still believe in the company, not only will you likely make money longer term, but you will likely excel and do very well for yourself- if and only if the product is sellable on its own merits.

        You will then be able to legitimately show people who sign up how to make money selling product versus just opportunity. Insist that your downline do exactly as you did. Provide them training and support on how to sell product. REQUIRE they do this before selling the opportunity. You may just find that others start asking you to train their people. They might even pay you, and you might be able to make additional income doing seminars and selling packaged training products.

        As others have said, if you skip all of this and everyone's focus is on the opportunity, consider looking for the exit before you get too far into this. But I do hope things work out well for you. Just keep in mind that most everyone who signs up is thinking exactly as you are right now- hardly anyone signs up planning to fail.

        I hope it's clear that I'm not trying to knock the company or your goals, because I know that won't help anything at all. I just want to be sure you look at it from all different angles other than product quality and internal company training/koolaid.
        Hello!

        I know that you have a hard time in MLM companies (especially those who shut down), but what I don't like about your advice is about forgetting myself in signing up more people under me. I am after the leadership bonus man, and I need 2 months to achieve that, and I feel good right now that few people (4 to 8 people) will be signing up within 2 months. I have a couple of sponsors who are ready to join and become serious with Usana tomorrow and next week respectively, coz' they have seen the products and opportunity that Usana will give to us. What makes Usana different than the others is that the team of distributors I have joined are the best, and they are always willing to help me succeed, which they did.......

        Also, in less than a week, I almost get back my investment already with ROI with just retail sales, and I'm all fired up again for another round. Do you think that Usana might get shut down possibly? Hell no! If you are familiar with NYSE (New Yotk Stock Exchange), NASDAQ, Forbes and Business Week, Usana was there, and even featured on CNN. It means no matter what happens, you can't take Usana down.

        I'm sticking to my plans man. But I have changed my mind about flyers, I don't need them anymore due to the strategy that I have learned from my uplines without the need of flyers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Justin T Wells
          Your response is exactly what I would have said I understand that they have been around awhile and are a listed company. That helps, but doesn't mean much honestly other than they met the financial listing requirements and have a good team of lawyers. I could give you a huge list of listed companies that were huge and had been around awhile but failed. Madoff was chairman of Nasdaq, etc. Right now there's elevated risk due to Ackman's campaign against Herbalife. No one's trying to get you to fail, quite the opposite. Let's talk about the retail sales- give us some numbers, what did you spend and what did you sell? It's just concerning that you completely disregard outside suggestions and immediately start talking about the company and the upline, which is virtually always what everyone says about every mlm company and why others will almost never research your specific company as soon as you mention mlm/network marketing.

          I have no doubt that within a very short time you can close enough to bump your percentages up- much quicker than 2 months. I'm just asking you to slow down and think for yourself and accept outside advice. The reason to "forget about downline" is for the reasons I went into detail on. What are you going to tell the people who sign up, sign up more people??
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          • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
            Did you ever get around t testing your flyer. If you did... then you now know your copy did not produce any response whatsoever. I have a flyer that works like magic to put bums on seats for my MLM. It leads with the product only.... no mentioned is made of the opportunity until the end of the presentation when I ask how many of you would like to get your product free each month?

            All those who raised their hands are invited to stick around until after the break. Then I explain that all they have to do to get their product free each month is to refer 4 others to become customers.... not distributors.

            When someone refers 4 product users I call the person who got them up, congratulate them on getting their future orders for free for as long as they keep 4 others using the product each month and say.... you know... if you become a distributor like me the company will give you a new Mercedes, Caddy or BMW when you help two of your four people to get 4 new customers each.

            Working this way builds a rock solid customer base but building a huge organization this way takes time. It's a lot easier to play the company income opportunity video for everyone that attends. But many of those who join primarily to earn money will drop out quickly when they discover that although the business is simple... it's not easy.

            Anyone who has purchased more than one WSO knows that if How-To's were enough then we all would be skinny, happy and rich!

            In real life you discover that you have to figure out how to get yourself to do the simple things that create success. That requires investing time and effort into self-development and acquiring the proper mind set.

            Cheers,
            Steve
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