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Help with M3 Design for Lead Gen?

by TheBigBee
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I guess the title is misleading - I am not going to be doing M3, I'll dominate these cards - solo.

I don't need help with the copy (written words) so much as I need help with a design that supports the copy (infographic??).

There are a ton of copywriters around here, but I am curious to know if any of you know of anybody who's specific skill is designing post cards for conversion?

Thanks!
#design #gen #lead
  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Someone skilled in copy and design is pretty rare. Here's your best choice.

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    Mr. Subtle is for hire.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
      Originally Posted by bob ross View Post

      Someone skilled in copy and design is pretty rare. Here's your best choice.

      View Profile: Mr. Subtle

      Mr. Subtle is for hire.
      He is probably the only person on WF I'll NEVER do business with.

      At the expense of sounding childish, I'm not going to do business with someone who has called me names. There is a fine line between "spirited debate" and naked insults. He's the only one to directly and outwardly insult me - unprovoked. We never had a dialogue, conversation, nothing. It was out of the blue.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Hey BigBee, I followed your link to the unbounce lead page you made. Might I suggest moving the content higher towards the top?

        You can do this by going into the editor and placing your mouse over the "blue" outline lines, clicking on them, holding, and dragging to reposition the elements on the page.

        Originally Posted by TheBigBee View Post

        He is probably the only person on WF I'll NEVER do business with.

        At the expense of sounding childish, I'm not going to do business with someone who has called me names. There is a fine line between "spirited debate" and naked insults. He's the only one to directly and outwardly insult me - unprovoked. We never had a dialogue, conversation, nothing. It was out of the blue.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
          Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

          Hey BigBee, I followed your link to the unbounce lead page you made. Might I suggest moving the content higher towards the top?

          You can do this by going into the editor and placing your mouse over the "blue" outline lines, clicking on them, holding, and dragging to reposition the elements on the page.
          Wasn't gonna put all that energy into a free WSO! Come on man! I had my VA do that as a training assignment.

          I design and ship gorgeous interfaces. PM for stuff that I actually have invested my time in creating. Minimalism, video, and high converting layouts are all hallmark to my designs.

          Speaking of Unbounce - the external integrations are awesome!
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          • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
            Well its really not much effort to make it look a little better and pull most of the content above the fold. LOL Simple mousse clicky, and yes the external integrations are great too.

            Originally Posted by TheBigBee View Post

            Wasn't gonna put all that energy into a free WSO! Come on man! I had my VA do that as a training assignment.

            I design and ship gorgeous interfaces. PM for stuff that I actually have invested my time in creating. Minimalism, video, and high converting layouts are all hallmark to my designs.

            Speaking of Unbounce - the external integrations are awesome!
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            • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
              Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

              Well its really not much effort to make it look a little better and pull most of the content above the fold. LOL Simple mousse clicky, and yes the external integrations are great too.
              What I find amusing is that he has time to crank out these long winded, combative replies, but can't find 15 seconds to fix the website. Weird thought process IMO:confused:
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              • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
                Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

                What I find amusing is that he has time to crank out these long winded, combative replies, but can't find 15 seconds to fix the website. Weird thought process IMO:confused:

                Huge Husker fan! Go Big red! Used to run the print center at the Office Max in Lincoln on 32nd and South.
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              • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
                Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

                What I find amusing is that he has time to crank out these long winded, combative replies, but can't find 15 seconds to fix the website. Weird thought process IMO:confused:
                The guy is giving something away - pretty sure he can lay his page out however he wants. It is obvious he is focusing on a higher priority and doesn't care if the page is perfect.

                Keep the main thing the main thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mr. Subtle
        Originally Posted by TheBigBee View Post

        He is probably the only person on WF I'll NEVER do business with.

        At the expense of sounding childish, I'm not going to do business with someone who has called me names. There is a fine line between "spirited debate" and naked insults. He's the only one to directly and outwardly insult me - unprovoked. We never had a dialogue, conversation, nothing. It was out of the blue.
        LOL... I NEVER called you a name because it's against forum rules to do so. You're upset because I told you that you could never sell restaurant owners postcard ads for $50k and you took that as a personal insult. (It was some thread you started playing off a "Bob Ross" postcard idea.)

        I NEVER call posters names and I NEVER attack them personally. BUT... I do attack silly ideas all the time when I see them and you had one helluva silly idea in that thread. LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
          Originally Posted by Mr. Subtle View Post

          LOL... I NEVER called you a name because it's against forum rules to do so. You're upset because I told you that you could never sell restaurant owners postcard ads for $50k and you took that as a personal insult. (It was some thread you started playing off a "Bob Ross" postcard idea.)

          I NEVER call posters names and I NEVER attack them personally. BUT... I do attack silly ideas all the time when I see them and you had one helluva silly idea in that thread. LOL

          SIR - YOU CALLED ME A PIKER IN POST. TONS of Warriors have attacked my ideas, I think you took offense because unlike a "noob" I discard those opinions, test, and fail on my own. Why? Because I've learned something every single time I have failed at something. Because I failed at Grubraise, I learned, that knowledge was put forth here. The "you changed my life" PM's is all the validation I need.

          Go search your own posts - if you haven't deleted it. You called me a piker. Notice how tons of other Warriors have called me foolish for my ideas but you are the ONLY one I'll never transact with.

          Lot's of folks have had "silly" ideas. Billions of dollars have been exchanged over silly ideas. Groupon was a silly idea (in retrospect), MySpace was a silly idea (in retrospect), every dollar invested in every failed start-up in the late 90's were all silly ideas.

          Most ideas suck in nature. The reason why these ideas suck, is because they are worthless without execution. Those who create great products / things usually go through bouts of "silliness" before they settle on a winner.

          I just sold a post card mailing for $50k today (soft sold). My intent was to sell 10,000 for $1 each. When I found out the guy was in transportation and there were 50,000 homes surrounding his business it was easy to say; "If you do 10k, the copycats will come in, we can stamp them out pre-emptively."

          But it's attached to two other services. So the irony here is that I finally figured it out. "Customers on Credit - get customers now, pay for them later $1 per attempt." I figured out how to sell EDDM for $1 per post card by connecting dots you discouraged me to connect.

          I sold $50k worth of attempts on a 9x12 cards. This is only our second day of "our soft launch." My affiliate network isn't even 5% mature yet.

          Experiment. Test. Forget others' opinions. Fail fast and move on. Move fast and break things... Move fast and make things.

          I'll earn seven figures in 2014... Thanks in part because I am strong enough to fail on my own and not elicit validation from folks who haven't done half the things I have done, nor whom have acquired 1/4 of the knowledge I have acquired.

          It's kind of like I printed money. Someone else's cash is at risk to finance the design, mail, and shipment. I added on a "white label" relationship with a platform provider to keep the widget automated. #cake


          All the best,

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          • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
            Originally Posted by TheBigBee View Post


            I just sold a post card mailing for $50k today (soft sold). My intent was to sell 10,000 for $1 each. When I found out the guy was in transportation and there were 50,000 homes surrounding his business it was easy to say; "If you do 10k, the copycats will come in, we can stamp them out pre-emptively."

            But it's attached to two other services. So the irony here is that I finally figured it out. "Customers on Credit - get customers now, pay for them later $1 per attempt." I figured out how to sell EDDM for $1 per post card by connecting dots you discouraged me to connect.

            I sold $50k worth of attempts on a 9x12 cards. This is only our second day of "our soft launch." My affiliate network isn't even 5% mature yet.
            Would you care to further elaborate on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Climb Online
    Looks like a potential client lost... which reminds me of a master plumber I knew many years ago, the worst part of being self employed or business owner was, he said, having to be nice to everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    50k?

    Seems like someone's trying to build credibility before they start pimping out $10 WSO's, lol
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    • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      Would you care to further elaborate on this?
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      50k?

      Seems like someone's trying to build credibility before they start pimping out $10 WSO's, lol
      Hey Guys,

      I am going to try to give you as much information as possible in light of my time constraints. When folks make grandiose claims - I can understand folks' visceral reaction would be that "he's lying."

      Shane,

      I put a FREE WSO as a means to conduct market research. I invested a few hundred bucks in getting and bumping the thread to get feedback on a manual process I will turn into software (not a WSO). This should be a life changer for anyone in B2B sales. Doing $10 WSO's is short paper - I am not interested in.


      Dan,

      For a while, I consulted for a an alternative business lender. I changed the consulting deal into a revenue share deal. I get office space for 8, infrastructure, and a sandbox to play around and test anything I want to test.

      The challenge for this industry right now is that the pool of applicants (qualified or unqualified) is shrinking precipitously. The intent for me originally was to go in and do "more of the same" but do it more cheaply - M3 for example.

      This literally kept me up at night... Literally, as moving day neared, I was freaking out more and more because "doing more of the same" is not my style.

      Then I one night at like 3 a.m. I hopped up out of bed - almost two weeks ago and haven't slept since.

      The thing that business owners care about the most are customers. Keeping their current customers and getting mroe of them. So, I decided to sell just that, and use altnerative business loans as a means - not the end.

      So we are starting with a targeted group of customers - my former client, and now partners' former customers. These are folks who:
      1. Could not be approved for a larger amount - an amount they requested, making the "lowball" offers unattractive.
      2. Have declined to take a renewal - more money.
      3. Declined to take the money on account of the rates being high.

      These folks are now being offered "Customers on Credit." Here's how it works:

      10,000 - MINIMUM post cards will be mailed to homes in that business owners' area. We will activate a "game mechanic" to induce opt -ins. For example for our car service client - we will be putting "FREE RIDES FOR LIFE" - terms and conditions apply. No purchase necessary, enter by sending an SMS message with your zip code to X number.

      Now, the car service will have cast a wide net, and used this attractive "free rides for life" (In NYC) as a means to have a pool of customers from which to draw from when he needed. The average LOYAL customer spends $3,000 per year with him. $1 per attempt at acquiring a $3,000 annual customer makes sense to him mathematically.

      My partner will fund the deal so that the cards can be printed and shipped. Wei'll collect our money respectively; his $20k (after interest) and my $35k through daily debits to the car services' account.

      I'll own every single SMS opt-in until I receive 100% of my money. He defaults at $10k, I'll delete all of his SMS records and be done with it.

      What was particularly interesting about this deal, and what excites going forward is that growing companies are reaching inflection points where they have this "chicken and egg" problem. "Do I invest in getting more cars, or customers?" There's an HVAC company in KY we spoke with yesterday - same thing, growing his infrastructure - not much money for marketing.

      The car service has chosen to go 100% after acquiring vehicles because he's putting his cars on the road with Uber (check out the service / app). That doesn't leave much room for marketing, so getting "customers on credit" - thousands for which he'll pay $X per day for 6 months was / is attractive to him.

      So in summation; I combined the following elements to create a legitimate and extremely attainable 7 figure oppty for myself.
      1. EDDM
      2. Other peoples money.
      3. SMS marketing.
      4. A game mechanic (free pizza for life, free rides for life, free teeth whitening, etc. etc.)

      When I came to WF - I knew nothing of EDDM. When I came to Warrior Forum, I knew nothing of SMS marketing.

      I learned a lot to connect the dots and create value for everyone. My partner wants more deals to fund, I figured out how to manufacture them. Business owners want more customers in a cost effective way, and I just want to own a few Rothko's.

      This place will always be special to me.
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