This Is More Powerful Than Any Sales Tactic...Truly

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It happened to me last week.

I was approached by a "offline" biz owner
who thought I could help him with parts of his marketing.

From the email I said lets hop on Skype and talk about it.

At no point was this construed the talk would be a consultation
and a fee attached to it.

Anyway the talk goes in the right direction I wanted...
and that was to tell me his problems.

At first they were about the area he wanted me to assist with.

You should never take the surface problem you are called in to assist.

I'll tell you why after this little story.

So I asked him about what happens when the lead is generated and the phone is answered.

See there are 5 key areas to work on to grow a business
and I was running him through them without him knowing,
at first.

Those 5 are...

1 leads
2 conversion
3 average dollar of transaction
4 frequency of transaction
5 margins

The talk about what the person on the phone says and what the person on site says dug up another problem...
not systems in place, he already had them in place.
Very smart guy.

What the sticking point was enforcement of the rules.

This exposed him to the cold truth which he knew lay in his business
but didn't want to confront it.

So I gave him a way to solve it.

Now I explained the 5 key performance areas to work on together and it only takes a few small percent points to make a BIG
difference to the profit.

And then talked about having a checklist of blocking the holes in each of those 5 areas.

Now he saw the value in all this.

He felt a weight lifted off his shoulders.

First time somebody gave him clarity.

A stranger who exposed what he had been hiding.

There is something way more powerful than any sales tactic
in what I told you...

and that is when somebody confides in you,
there is a almost insuperable bond that has taken place.

This bond allows you to be held in high trust and status
which no amount of engineering can bestow on you.

Back to the story.

He said he wanted to pay me for our time together.

He said just send over a Paypal invoice and he will settle it.

Would you of said, "no don't worry about it"?

I had no attachment to it but granted his wish
and sent an invoice over for $197.

He paid it without question.

We haven't got him over the line for
ongoing paid service yet because of the mess
with his SEO.

That's another story which stays private.

So in the end, if you go deeper and wider in your search for sticking points
in your prospective clients business, you become so valuable that you get paid for
pitching your service, which isn't consulting.

Best,
Ewen
#lazy #paid #pitching #service
  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    amen, but try telling that to some (many) on here who try to pigeon hole their prospects into what they offer/ can do
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

      amen, but try telling that to some (many) on here who try to pigeon hole their prospects into what they offer/ can do
      There is nothing wrong with that as long as they understand that they have to qualify people.

      In the real world how many businesses sell everything? None not even the big boxes do.

      So they qualify people in or qualify people out depending on their process. They don't want every customer they just want every customer looking to buy _______ at ________ price.
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      • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
        Good points been brought up about you selling
        1 service.

        Say you sell SEO as a service.

        After the prospect has unloaded his problems
        onto you, you can ask what he and his staff
        say on the phone when a lead comes in.

        Then ask if every person says that.

        Then go further by asking if he has in place
        a policing policy to keep those phones answered the
        same way.

        There is a extremely high probably he doesn't
        have all those in place.

        What you have demonstrated is you know
        how to run a business for growth and
        added so much more value than a regular
        SEO guy.

        It's like you live in their real world.

        And once again, by uncovering problems in
        their business you are more valuable than
        the guy who is hard core pitching his thing.

        Not only that, it opens up the probability the owner will confide in you
        what's going on in his business.

        Once that happens, you have gained that highest level of trust.

        No amount of money can buy you trust.

        That's the kind of advantage over other SEO people
        you can produce out of thin air.

        Best,
        Ewen
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        • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
          Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

          Good points been brought up about you selling
          1 service.

          Say you sell SEO as a service.

          After the prospect has unloaded his problems
          onto you, you can ask what he and his staff
          say on the phone when a lead comes in.

          Then ask if every person says that.

          Then go further by asking if he has in place
          a policing policy to keep those phones answered the
          same way.

          There is a extremely high probably he doesn't
          have all those in place.

          What you have demonstrated is you know
          how to run a business for growth and
          added so much more value than a regular
          SEO guy.

          It's like you live in their real world.

          And once again, by uncovering problems in
          their business you are more valuable than
          the guy who is hard core pitching his thing.

          Not only that, it opens up the probability the owner will confide in you
          what's going on in his business.

          Once that happens, you have gained that highest level of trust.

          No amount of money can buy you trust.

          That's the kind of advantage over other SEO people
          you can produce out of thin air.

          Best,
          Ewen
          totally agree Ewen thing is most SEO would then still try to batter client into buying their SEO.

          Now I agree with Aaron also , of course they'll try to sell what they sell, that's business, but what I'm getting at is match your offer to what they're telling you they need, if you don't do what they need then find a way of supplying it, keep in with the client, and when he does need your speciality or the only thing you WANT to do, hello who will they use? But try to hammer a triangle into a circular hole and the damage will never heal .

          I know many people who run SEO firms and they dont give up and why should they , but I can step into their client meets and listen and close the client on what they say they want because I was willing to listen and give them what they want not what I want, now even if this isn't the right solution, its what they want, give it them then educate them on the right solution and give them that too, few businesses will buy what they don't want.

          I might not even make much from this 'first deal', but I will longer term as I've delivered what they want , my God someone listened to me, expanded their own space to accommodate me rather than try to smash me into a shape that fits their criteria .

          There's a highly successful specialist manufacturing company near here that always says 'yes we can deliver that for you in that time frame', then they figure out how to do it, and they always do do it. Along the way they will discuss and alter the clients original requirements, but only once the contract is signed and sealed and things are underway, once they show the client they are for real and on their side, the client will listen and be open to changes, often significant ones too, but if theyd tried to batter them into such a shape pre sales it wouldn't have worked.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jasmin27
            Thanks for the great tips guys. It's all about value and listening to what people want rather than imposing our ideas on them. Building the relationship comes first.
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  • Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

    It happened to me last week.

    I was approached by a "offline" biz owner
    who thought I could help him with parts of his marketing.

    From the email I said lets hop on Skype and talk about it.

    At no point was this construed the talk would be a consultation
    and a fee attached to it.

    Anyway the talk goes in the right direction I wanted...
    and that was to tell me his problems.

    At first they were about the area he wanted me to assist with.

    You should never take the surface problem you are called in to assist.

    I'll tell you why after this little story.

    So I asked him about what happens when the lead is generated and the phone is answered.

    See there are 5 key areas to work on to grow a business
    and I was running him through them without him knowing,
    at first.

    Those 5 are...

    1 leads
    2 conversion
    3 average dollar of transaction
    4 frequency of transaction
    5 margins

    The talk about what the person on the phone says and what the person on site says dug up another problem...
    not systems in place, he already had them in place.
    Very smart guy.

    What the sticking point was enforcement of the rules.

    This exposed him to the cold truth which he knew lay in his business
    but didn't want to confront it.

    So I gave him a way to solve it.

    Now I explained the 5 key performance areas to work on together and it only takes a few small percent points to make a BIG
    difference to the profit.

    And then talked about having a checklist of blocking the holes in each of those 5 areas.

    Now he saw the value in all this.

    He felt a weight lifted off his shoulders.

    First time somebody gave him clarity.

    A stranger who exposed what he had been hiding.

    There is something way more powerful than any sales tactic
    in what I told you...

    and that is when somebody confides in you,
    there is a almost insuperable bond that has taken place.

    This bond allows you to be held in high trust and status
    which no amount of engineering can bestow on you.

    Back to the story.

    He said he wanted to pay me for our time together.

    He said just send over a Paypal invoice and he will settle it.

    Would you of said, "no don't worry about it"?

    I had no attachment to it but granted his wish
    and sent an invoice over for $197.

    He paid it without question.

    We haven't got him over the line for
    ongoing paid service yet because of the mess
    with his SEO.

    That's another story which stays private.

    So in the end, if you go deeper and wider in your search for sticking points
    in your prospective clients business, you become so valuable that you get paid for
    pitching your service, which isn't consulting.

    Best,
    Ewen

    "1 leads
    2 conversion
    3 average dollar of transaction
    4 frequency of transaction
    5 margins"

    I am not fairly convinced we market to business owners who went to the Ronald McDonald's Playpen for Economics. I wish that even SOME of the business owners I talked to knew some of those terms.......I walked out of a meeting one time when one restaurant manager had NO idea what margin was. She just kept saying, they are not LOSING money with Groupon deals so they are happy. I didn't need their money THAT bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    This is the difference between a Marketer and someone which purchased a $47 bucks Offline course and goes out and try to sell "services".

    A real sales guy always tries to understand the WHY behind a request to be sure that the solution offered is the best possible available.

    Many times you end up selling a totally different solution if you get to the root problem. Many times you sell MORE due to this.

    I also had several chats where I simply couldn't help. even so the client ask me to buy "xyz". My solution was not what the client needed to solve his problem.

    So always go after the WHY to make sure that you sell exactly what the client need, and not what he ask for.

    He is anyhow not a Pro in your field, so hardly know's what he really needs.

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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    I have to say that I find these threads that you post when you speak from your experience more valuable than the threads where you just post a link to an article that you read.

    Thanks

    Great post and looking forward to more
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    It is a tough line to walk.

    I bounce back and forth between telling people what they want to hear and telling them what they NEED to hear.

    Inside a business, I can see the 800lb gorilla in the room that the business owner ignores. I have to be careful because bringing it up can sometimes cost the contract.

    It isn't about losing the business - that is the least of my concern.

    I genuinely like my clients. They NEED to fix their issues or things will continue to get worse for them. And yet, if I tell them the truth, they might not want to work with me any longer, and they will never find their way out.

    So, I walk a tightrope. Telling them what they want to hear. Making them feel good. Making them feel brilliant. While nudging them and influencing them in the direction that is best.

    I have never met a business owner who will accept the plain truth. It's like telling someone their baby is ugly. They built the business with life, blood, stress, and sweat.

    They are selling $1million per year or more. And they have painted themselves into a corner. They stand there, in the corner, afraid to leave it, marveling at the beautiful job they did painting. If you just show them a simple way out, they may be offended.

    So, you have to get into the corner with them. Nudging them, ever so gently until they can also see the way out.

    Sometimes I love the role of consultant. Sometimes I hate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wendy Hearn
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      It is a tough line to walk.

      I bounce back and forth between telling people what they want to hear and telling them what they NEED to hear.

      Inside a business, I can see the 800lb gorilla in the room that the business owner ignores. I have to be careful because bringing it up can sometimes cost the contract.

      It isn't about losing the business - that is the least of my concern.

      I genuinely like my clients. They NEED to fix their issues or things will continue to get worse for them. And yet, if I tell them the truth, they might not want to work with me any longer, and they will never find their way out.

      So, I walk a tightrope. Telling them what they want to hear. Making them feel good. Making them feel brilliant. While nudging them and influencing them in the direction that is best.

      I have never met a business owner who will accept the plain truth. It's like telling someone their baby is ugly. They built the business with life, blood, stress, and sweat.

      They are selling $1million per year or more. And they have painted themselves into a corner. They stand there, in the corner, afraid to leave it, marveling at the beautiful job they did painting. If you just show them a simple way out, they may be offended.

      So, you have to get into the corner with them. Nudging them, ever so gently until they can also see the way out.

      Sometimes I love the role of consultant. Sometimes I hate it.
      If I'm working in depth with a client, one of the things that I've found helps is to set out from the beginning that I will be completely honest with them. I try to keep this light-hearted and mention that there will be times that I will tell them things that they don't want to hear and they might even dislike me for saying it. Then check with them that they're ok working with someone who is going to be honest not just someone who will say "yes" to them. I also want them to know that this is because I want the best for them and their business.

      When we're talking about this I share that I understand that these things might feel too scary to handle or they might not want to face them at this time and that's perfectly ok with me. I'm not attached to them doing anything about it. I've found that once it's out in the open even if they're not ready at that point sometime in the future they are ready to deal with it.

      I appreciate this approach isn't for everyone, just sharing what works for me.

      Wendy
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    • Profile picture of the author bwh1
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      It is a tough line to walk.

      I bounce back and forth between telling people what they want to hear and telling them what they NEED to hear.

      Inside a business, I can see the 800lb gorilla in the room that the business owner ignores. I have to be careful because bringing it up can sometimes cost the contract.

      It isn't about losing the business - that is the least of my concern.

      I genuinely like my clients. They NEED to fix their issues or things will continue to get worse for them. And yet, if I tell them the truth, they might not want to work with me any longer, and they will never find their way out.

      So, I walk a tightrope. Telling them what they want to hear. Making them feel good. Making them feel brilliant. While nudging them and influencing them in the direction that is best.

      I have never met a business owner who will accept the plain truth. It's like telling someone their baby is ugly. They built the business with life, blood, stress, and sweat.

      They are selling $1million per year or more. And they have painted themselves into a corner. They stand there, in the corner, afraid to leave it, marveling at the beautiful job they did painting. If you just show them a simple way out, they may be offended.

      So, you have to get into the corner with them. Nudging them, ever so gently until they can also see the way out.

      Sometimes I love the role of consultant. Sometimes I hate it.
      Off course you are spot on and there is a fine line between simply tell them "You are doing it all wrong" or saying "There is a different way you can do it which even get's you better results. Interested to know it?".

      It's the melody which makes the music (French saying, don't know if it makes sense in English).

      Overall, its the gravity of the problem which makes me pointing it out.

      Some stuff isn't worth mentioning, others are.

      And if a potential client and yourself are not a good fit, then there is nothing you can do to avoid this, because sooner or later you will argue with your client over the details you spotted at the beginning anyway.

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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Hey Dan, I agree mate, upfront its hard to bring up the big issue (lets say for ease of understanding for all it's the website and they just upgraded a year ago and spent too much for too little) but tell them that now and ........................

    Do a few other things for them , deliver, bring in the profits, now they'll be more open to hearing that bad news.

    I nearly boobed last night, on phone with prospect whilst trying to also finish cooking the dinner which had already been started when he rang, anyway yeh this was a bit about PPC and I said their site wasn't PPC friendly , the pages are too generic and don't look like theyd convert so youre paying for clicks and getting not much back, he took it that I didn't like the site which he said 'theyd just had done a year back blah blah blah, other people said they liked it, clearly I didn't though!'

    Let the chicken burn or save the deal , burnt chicken, £1500 a month , tough decision and I was hungry , wife steps in from work saves the day, takes over the cooking .

    I got out of the situation by explaining how PPC works a bit and saying that the way his pages are will not be beneficial to his PPC costs and there are likely better ways to do things right now that will be more cost effective , I mean I can set up a PPC campaign for you and use up £800 a month on clicks, but if theyre not converting to contacts or clients then I don't want to be wasting your money Bill'.

    Well that was it, he loved me, and the chicken was good too.

    So now I'm working on an entire marketing strategy for his business, whereas the original call was only about a small PPC campaign , now it could be a big figure contract
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