by midasman09 Banned
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Hey! I'd like to share how I helped a neighbor "save his house".

NOTE: This is NOT a WSO or any kind of sales presentation to get people to buy anything else. It's just ME, Don Alm, offering to "share" one of my many "Money-Making" projects.....that has worked.

So....back in the first week of Oct 2013, a neighbor tells me he's about ready to lose his house. He gives the details and I ask him what his experience has been.

He tells me he "knows his way around a computer"....if fact, he's been trying to sell some stuff on Ebay.

So....because one of my recent projects of interest is, "Ranking Videos", I ask him to come over to my "Man-Cave" and I will "give him some ideas".

Well...long story short, he LOVES my recent thingee where I create videos for certain niches, customize them with the businesses' name, upload the videos, get them to Page 1 of G (for their name)....contact the business I chose with an email with a Subject Line that says, "Google "Biz Name" dot com".

And.....when ANYONE (including secretaries, office managers, office protectors)....Googles THEIR NAME, as I instructed them in my email,...up comes a Video with THEIR PHOTOS AND CONTACT INFO.

And....when they realize what they are looking at (A Video with THEIR Photos and Contact Info)....they phone or email little ol' me. Whereupon I tell them I will keep the video I made for THEM...where it's at, right now (no wondering IF or WHETHER I can do this).....and, if they'd like me to keep the video UP....my fee is $497.

I call this "Videos On Spec" ("Spec" is short for "Speculation")

I also tell them I will post their Video on other "Video-Sharing" sites for $497.

Well....my first tries I scored 8 out of 10! And....my neighbor has been doing a minimum of ONE OF THESE A DAY!

So....here's what I do;

1) Take a PLR Video I bought from Dave Cisnero's, Nick Mann or Mark Helton and....using WL Movie Maker, personalize it with my prospect's Name & Contact info.

1a) Go to "Yelp,com" and grab some of the Positive Comments and include IN the video

2) UpLoad it to my YT Channel with the Name of the Biz in the File Name and Title. Optimize it with "Descripition" (using Title of the Video 4 times) Add Tags then UpLoad and get it Ranked for my prospect's business name.

3) Send an email to prospect with a Subject Line; "Google "Biz Name" dot com and see what comes up!"

Well....when someone in the office of my prospect Googles THEIR biz Name and SEES the Thumbnail that comes up and....clicks on the FULL COLOR Thumbnail and this wonderful Video plays....THEY ARE SOLD!

So....my neighbor is NOW enjoying the "Fruits of His Labor"!....at the rate of $497 A DAY!

if a biz doesn't want the video....we just remove it.

Thus...this is a "Workable"..."Proven" program and again, I am NOT selling anything here. I am simply sharing an "idea".

Now...some of you may be questioning the "Benefit" or "Value" of having a Video appear when a business Name is typed in Big G. Well, consumers have to KNOW the NAME of the biz, in order to see the Video. This is NOT a program for generating tons of Leads for biz.

This is strictly a "Foot In The Door" program, for which YOU can be paid a "Healthy Sum" for your effort ($497)

Now....when the biz sees the video you've created and posted on BIG G, they will be SOLD on whatever else you want to sell them. You've ALREADY PROVEN WHAT YOU CAN DO....and gotten Paid for it.

So....you can now take the exact SAME Video and Rank it for their "KeyWord Niche". Ex: PlumberTown", CarpetCleanerTown, etc.

We also use CallFire to provide us with a Phone Number WE control, when we Rank a Video for a Specific KeyWord. This allows me to send my clients a Monthly Report of Calls.

Anyway....I hope you can see the benefit here,

Thanks for reading,
Don Alm.....Marketing guy
#$497 #day
  • Profile picture of the author umc
    If you create a video with my business name in it and my information and rank it like some ill conceived commercial for my business, the only call you're getting from me is a cease & desist followed by contact from my attorney. You can't go around using other people's business names and information without their permission, advertising them where they don't necessarily want to be in ways that they may not approve of.

    I'm surprised that the great Don Alm has to resort to such tactics and isn't good enough at closing sales to sell it before producing and ranking the video. I thought you and your little portable dvd player were the sales gods of the 21st century, closing deals left and right. And only $497/day, the Don Alm I've seen would never settle for such paltry amounts. You're slipping man.
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    • Profile picture of the author NateOlsen
      I was kind of thinking of a copyright infringement too.
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      • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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        WOW! Such "NEGA-tisam"!

        NO "Cease & Desist" yet!...in fact, when they see the "Postive Reviews" we include on separate pages of the vids....the bizzes are PLEASED!

        And....I'm no lawyer BUT....websites are "Public"! and if any biz does NOT want the Vid or wants us to "Take it Down"....hey! No Problemo!

        Reminds me of the first time I posted my "FaxBux" info on WF. HUGE numbers of "warriors" commented that;

        "IT IS ILLEGAL TO SEND UN-solicited FAXES!"

        So....I had to "calm down" the "Legalists" and "Cautionists" by telling them we PHONE...EACH AND EVERY OFFICE WE FAX OUR FAXES TO....GETTING PERMISSION....TO SEND OUR FAXES! STILL sending faxes by the way.

        Anyway....you guys "get credit" for being "Guardians" and "Protectors"!

        Where do I send your "Badges"?

        Don Alm.....STILL stirring up the troops
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        • Profile picture of the author daveinva
          Don:

          Wow...love the creativity in what you're doing. We've been doing some videos as well.

          Way to think outside the box!

          Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author bluecoyotemedia
      Umc

      oooohhh.. your such a scary businessman

      there is absolutely nothing wrong with this approach.. it is intended to show what can be done .. like a mockup.. and if the business did not want it then the video would be taken down. simple.

      This is a great foot in the door strategy that can get you a meeting and you can share what you can do for them regarding video marketing.

      If your going to go thru business life without any moxie then you will never set yourself apart from all the other sheeple selling your services.

      UMC If I knew your business name I would make a few mocks up videos to send you just to annoy you.. this way you can waste your time with your attorneys.






      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      If you create a video with my business name in it and my information and rank it like some ill conceived commercial for my business, the only call you're getting from me is a cease & desist followed by contact from my attorney. You can't go around using other people's business names and information without their permission, advertising them where they don't necessarily want to be in ways that they may not approve of.

      I'm surprised that the great Don Alm has to resort to such tactics and isn't good enough at closing sales to sell it before producing and ranking the video. I thought you and your little portable dvd player were the sales gods of the 21st century, closing deals left and right. And only $497/day, the Don Alm I've seen would never settle for such paltry amounts. You're slipping man.
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      • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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        WOW! Thanks Eduardo...for the "backup"!

        I learned LOOONG ago....in an Evening Class (How to Get a Patent for your idea) I took at my Alma Mater , NorthWestern Univ in Evanston Ill

        There were 42 people in the class and a few had gone thru the "lawyer Protection" stage.

        One guy, I'll never forget, had actually gone ahead and received a Patent for his special "tool".

        Since he had finally received a Patent he felt "safe" to show us what it was. Well....my question to him was, "OK....you have a Patent....So WHAT?....what ya gonna do wid it?"

        He told us he was meeting with Sears....next week.

        So.....he met with Sears and....guess what.....Sears came out with a similar product and it took him 10 yrs to settle.

        Thus....my reason for bringing this up is.....No Matter HOW MUCH you try to "protect yourself" or your Ideas.....the only thing you need to know is,
        "The WINNERS are...the FIRSTEST with the MOSTEST!"

        A Patent ONLY gives you the right to try and stop Infringers! However, it is up to YOU to defend your Idea! (Which cost my friend $5,000 for starters...and many thousands over the next 10 yrs when he Finally received a "settlement"! Yah Right!

        So.....re the "Concerned" posters who stated that what we were dong was "Copyright Infringement" and...."Hey, man! etc!....I got news fer ya;

        ....there's 3 ways to upload a Video to YT;
        Private
        Public
        Unlisted

        So......you "bewarea" posters ....let me say something abut "US" Entroopeneers...."WE GO FOR THE GUSTO! WE....DON'T GIVE A POOP ABOUT WHAT....COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN TO....US....WHEN WE PUSH OUT OUR PROJECT! WE....GO WITH THE FLOW!

        If some GUMMIT Agency person notifies me I'm doing something "wrong"...I find out WHAT is wrong and ....correct it.

        My Goodness folks.....baack in the "dark ages" when I told my family I was quitting my job to start up my own biz....150 % of them advised AGAINST IT!

        So.....with 2 babies and a Frustrated Wife....I started my first biz out of my apartment and turned it into the 2nd largest biz (in it's category)

        So....Yes, it's possible one of the Restaurants we make a Video for, and rank it.....COULD not like it and, give us some "grief" over using THEIR photos (Holy Camoly....YOU people have made a Video that can HELP my restaurant get more biz! Why....I will just have to contact my attorney and see if I can put a stop to your UN-authorized use of our photos!"

        Yeah....right! Gimme a Break! Go buy some gas fer yer vehicle so you kin git to yer "J.O.B." in da mornin'! Youse AIN'T GONNA BE ANY COMPETITION FER FOLKS LIKE ME!

        Don Alm.....entroopeneer from Waay Back

        Ps. Last 2 days, picked up 12 checks from 12 biz owners in a town of 2,900 (Canyonville, OR) ...renewals fer my "Pizza Box Flyers"

        Adios Amigos....I'm going to Costco to git some Christmas Decor
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  • Profile picture of the author mydream247
    Come on guys, how is this any different than creating a mobile mock up for a business using an image from there website to presell need for mobile site? besides if the business is not interested as Don stated we simply delete the video and no harm is done, and video is set to private so no one can see video without direct link. Thanks Don this is an excellent foot in door service or for some a full time business idea, and good you were able to help a neighbor, sometimes we forget it's about playing it forward.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
      Originally Posted by mydream247 View Post

      Come on guys, how is this any different than creating a mobile mock up for a business using an image from there website to presell need for mobile site?

      EXACTLY....!
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  • Profile picture of the author massiveray
    Lollypops.... I love you guys, I actually used to use a very similar strategy to get attention from businesses, I didn't charge them for it, just made and ranked them and then up sold on other packages.

    You wouldn't send me a cease and desist, because once you said you weren't interested the video would vanish, nobody would waste time sending me that nasty little letter before simply asking me to take it down, which would already be done by the time you sent it.

    I'm not saying that this strategy will work to make any money, personally I don't think you can sell these videos, especially at a rate of 8/10. But...... This whole strategy can be done in around an hour or 2.

    Shit if I needed the money I'd give it a crack.

    Worst case scenario... They say no
    Best case... They pay me for something I've already done
    One in the middle... I have an intro to the business and can tell them what else I do

    This place is so negative sometimes, crazy hot doggers, yeah I called you hotdoggers!
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Some of us are negative because we've had jackass marketers put our businesses in places that we didn't want before and they weren't happy to take it down despite saying that they would. Seems like when they aren't making a buck their motivation dwindles, even to take down something simple. I have offline businesses, and I get irritated when someone takes it upon themselves to position my business in a way that I didn't approve and isn't cooperative.

    Don may be happy to take it down, and some of you may as well, but not everyone is like that, and how is the business owner supposed to know. You guys often look at things through your own eyes without considering the business owner. They don't know if you're legit, ethical, etc. All they know is that you chose how to show off their business in a public realm that they may not want, and now you're wanting money for it. You might find some that want your services, but some of us have dealt with marketers that aren't as scrupulous as some of you apparently are.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      While I have my own issues with Don Alm I think you really should settle down.

      I guess if you never created a Google places/plus profile for your business, or a Superpages, Yelp, Kudzu, Hotfrog, Citypages, profiles for your business and the list goes on, you should be mail them all and tell them to stop eh?
      They all take your PUBLIC information and create profiles in their indexes with or without your consent, why? Because hey don't need your consent.

      Google even creates your Plus for business listing and will rank it on the first page of their search results ALL without your consent. Feel free to send them that cease and desist letter.

      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      If you create a video with my business name in it and my information and rank it like some ill conceived commercial for my business, the only call you're getting from me is a cease & desist followed by contact from my attorney. You can't go around using other people's business names and information without their permission, advertising them where they don't necessarily want to be in ways that they may not approve of.

      I'm surprised that the great Don Alm has to resort to such tactics and isn't good enough at closing sales to sell it before producing and ranking the video. I thought you and your little portable dvd player were the sales gods of the 21st century, closing deals left and right. And only $497/day, the Don Alm I've seen would never settle for such paltry amounts. You're slipping man.
      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      Some of us are negative because we've had jackass marketers put our businesses in places that we didn't want before and they weren't happy to take it down despite saying that they would. Seems like when they aren't making a buck their motivation dwindles, even to take down something simple. I have offline businesses, and I get irritated when someone takes it upon themselves to position my business in a way that I didn't approve and isn't cooperative.

      Don may be happy to take it down, and some of you may as well, but not everyone is like that, and how is the business owner supposed to know. You guys often look at things through your own eyes without considering the business owner. They don't know if you're legit, ethical, etc. All they know is that you chose how to show off their business in a public realm that they may not want, and now you're wanting money for it. You might find some that want your services, but some of us have dealt with marketers that aren't as scrupulous as some of you apparently are.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheCG
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        Google even creates your Plus for business listing and will rank it on the first page of their search results ALL without your consent. Feel free to send them that cease and desist letter.
        Yeah...let me know how that works for you. hahahahahaha
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  • Profile picture of the author yixar
    How long on average does it take for your videos to rank? Also, how long are the videos?
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
      Originally Posted by yixar View Post

      How long on average does it take for your videos to rank? Also, how long are the videos?
      Typcially if your keyword is the business website, it can take 24-48 hours. Depends on if you do anything in addition to just submitting it or not.

      BTW, Nice approach Don. This is a great way to get your foot in the door. I wouldn't charge them though for getting them to rank for their website though... More as a instant credibility builder.
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Profiles are one thing. I had someone make a half-cocked site and video with misspellings and cheesy video for one of my businesses that looked like a third grader made it, or perhaps someone for whom English wasn't a first language. They were going to sell it to me for some ridiculous price, and when I didn't want to pay up, getting them to remove it wasn't fun. I didn't want the business that I had worked so hard on portrayed like that for potential customers to find. Someone works hard on their business for years and then someone looking for a quick buck executes a strategy like this poorly, putting that business in a negative light.

    Why not just make sample videos and show them without specifically branding to that company and ranking them? Rank a generic video to show how well you can do so, or rank something for yourself. There are certainly ways to put your videos out there and to try and work with local businesses without using their name and information as though they had approved it. And if you're going to do so, have the decency to take it down if they don't want it without giving them a bunch of crap about it. Sadly, sometimes when people are chasing a dollar they'll throw up a bunch of stuff, see what sticks and brings them some cash, and just leave the rest because they're too lazy to go back and remove it no matter how shoddy their work may be.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheCG
      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      Profiles are one thing. I had someone make a half-cocked site and video with misspellings and cheesy video for one of my businesses that looked like a third grader made it, or perhaps someone for whom English wasn't a first language. They were going to sell it to me for some ridiculous price, and when I didn't want to pay up, getting them to remove it wasn't fun. I didn't want the business that I had worked so hard on portrayed like that for potential customers to find. Someone works hard on their business for years and then someone looking for a quick buck executes a strategy like this poorly, putting that business in a negative light.
      WOW...doesn't take much to piss you off, does it?

      Just wait until you get someone that is really pissed off/crazy with alot of time on their hands that sets up multiple sites targeting your business or better yet, YOU personally. They can accuse you of all kinds of crap from the simply stupid to the totally deviant and what you will find in the wild, wild west of the internet is that there is very little you can do about it.

      IF (and that is a big if) you are able to do anything it can cost $$$$$$$ to get it done.

      Seen this happen to the tenth degree on more than one occasion.

      That is something to get bent out of shape about, not a positive video that gets ranked for your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author OfflineWars
    How much time does it take to make each of your Spec Videos? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
    Don,

    Interesting idea, but your numbers are way off. I've sold videos (and I don't mean Windows Movie Maker videos -- I mean really professionally done videos), among other services, to a lot of online businesses in the past, and have tested lots of different email subject/body copy variations across thousands of emails in several different niches, so I know the realities of doing this.

    The reality is this... you're going to have a very tough time finding any business owners who are interested in paying you $497 (or even $97 for that matter) for a simple "slideshow" video that only ranks for the keyword "TheirWebsiteURL.com". Business owners aren't dumb... they know that there's very little value in having even their own website ranked in the top spot for that keyword... much less a video on a third-party website!

    If you sent out 100 cold emails with that offer ^, you would be extremely lucky to get just 1 sale. What you are likely to get (out of every 100 cold emails), is 2 or 3 business owners who reply back to you with some, shall we say, "colorful" words, for using their images without their permission. Which, of course, would not at all be out of line, because they DO own the copyright to their images, and you should respect that, and always get their permission before using their content.

    Now... that said... if you can get a video ranked in the #1 spot for the keyword "Their City + Their Business Type"... THAT would actually be worth something to a business owner (assuming they are in a decent-sized city). In that case... IF the video is compelling & well made, and IF you market it to the right niche, and IF your email copy is good, and IF your price is right, THEN you'll likely get somewhere between a 1-3% conversion rate on your offer... possibly slightly higher than that if you're lucky. The best conversion rate I've ever gotten for a paid service via a cold email campaign was 4%, but that was after a considerable amount of testing/tweaking, and my offer was a very unique and valuable one, making it pretty much a "no brainer" for that particular niche.

    The reality is... no matter how unique & incredible your offer is, no matter how good your copy is, no matter what you price your offer at (or even if you give it away for free)... the vast majority of your emails will simply be ignored. That's just the nature of cold emailing.

    That said... if I was going to go to all the trouble to create a nice video and get it ranked for a meaningful keyword (ie "City Name + Business Type"), then I definitely wouldn't use email as my prospecting method -- I would use direct mail instead (maybe priority mail with something "lumpy" inside). I think that would be much more effective for that type of offer.

    If you are going to use email to prospect, then make sure you comply with CAN-SPAM. What I like to do (and what works really well for cold emailing) is to find a service that's easy/quick to perform, yet one that still provides some real value to a business... then contact some businesses and offer that service to them for free, no strings attached. Then for the ones that take you up on your offer... you've got your foot in the door, and you can then upsell them on other things. That's far more effective than trying to make a cold sale to a total stranger. Plus you never come across as a spammer.

    - My 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author bwh1
      Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post


      - My 2 cents.
      Mine too, I'm with Tanner here.

      I somehow love Don's post, they are entertaining.

      He has definitely a lot of life experience, has done it all.

      This strategy would need businesses on a "Marketing for Dummies" level and even if you get 500 bucks because he never looked at his own Google listing to actually understand what's going on there I bet it is not worth your time as those kind of clients are a p.i.t.a.

      If they ARE Marketing savvy they will not pay for that listing, a listing for their own business name.

      At first page is already their website plus some inner pages, their Facebook page, Yelp listing, Manta listing, LinkedIn profile, G+ page etc.

      What difference does a YT video make (their channel or playlist is probably already indexed)?

      If you are into Offline, you want other type of clients as customers, trust me.

      G.

      P.S. have to be fair, Don presented this as a "quick buck before you starve" solution and not as a stable business model.
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      • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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        Hey....Skepto-cockees.....here's a recent WSO where the guy shows how HE gets $750 ranking videos by "Business Names"! And...his way of getting biz owners to OPEN his email is pretty slick. Take a look, then give HIM your nega-teekos!

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...dont-open.html

        He goes by the moniker of "NIGHTHAWK22".

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        • Profile picture of the author bwh1
          Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

          Hey....Skepto-cockees.....here's a recent WSO where the guy shows how HE gets $750 ranking videos by "Business Names"! And...his way of getting biz owners to OPEN his email is pretty slick. Take a look, then give HIM your nega-teekos!

          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...dont-open.html

          He goes by the moniker of "NIGHTHAWK22".

          Don Alm
          Did you actually bought that WSO or read the thread?

          Doesn't look nice at all and there are a bunch of "looks great" replies without any real review if the method can get the results claimed. A 40% closing rate is a bold claim which he couldn't proof at all.

          Please guy's. keep both feet's on the ground when playing with your time, there are only 24 hours to spend so use it wisely.

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        • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
          Originally Posted by Shai View Post

          It may not work, but you can't know for sure without trying it.
          You're right... I don't know with absolute certainty this won't work (I am only about 99.999% sure that it wouldn't)!

          In all seriousness though... if something goes against basic marketing principles (or common sense), then I don't have to "try it" to know that it would be a poor use of my time. Just like the laws of physics exist, so do the "laws" of marketing. And you can't break the laws of marketing and expect good results.

          To be fair, I DO think that you could take certain elements from Don's business model, make some tweaks to it, and wind up with something that would work. I just think that if you try this business model exactly the way that Don described it (in the first post of this thread), that you would be setting yourself up for a major disappointment.

          And I'm not saying that to be negative -- I'm actually a very positive person. I just hate to see people bust their @$$ and have nothing to show for it, simply because they don't have a thorough understanding of business and marketing fundamentals.

          Originally Posted by Shai View Post

          You kind of ignored the bulk of what I was saying.
          I didn't ignore it... I just didn't respond to all of it. If I responded to everything that everyone said here, I'd never get any work done. Nothing personal.

          Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

          Hey....Skepto-cockees.....here's a recent WSO where the guy shows how HE gets $750 ranking videos by "Business Names"! And...his way of getting biz owners to OPEN his email is pretty slick. Take a look, then give HIM your nega-teekos!

          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...dont-open.html

          He goes by the moniker of "NIGHTHAWK22".

          Don Alm
          Don,

          FYI... this "Nighthawk22" character was busted right after he/she signed up to the forum earlier this year, for ripping off someone elses product and passing it off as his/her own WSO...

          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post8149505

          Now this person (who hides behind a screen name, and has contributed all of 2 posts to the forum), has a new WSO out that makes totally outrageous claims, and offers no real "proof" of anything... and after 3 pages of feedback, the few "legit" looking reviews on the thread are not very positive!

          Credibility = 0

          Be careful who you trust around here, people!
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            Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post


            Credibility = 0

            Be careful who you trust around here, people!
            Nice find

            funny that this kind of behavior won't get him a permanent ban.

            I kind of could read between the lines that the content of the WSO he offers now isn't based on real facts and a summary of "tips" he most probably found in here.

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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    In another similar thread, you say you don't even create the video until the business says they might be interested. You've seem to change that from this producing the video ahead of time.

    Why would a business pay you for a simple video that is ranked for THEIR NAME? If someone is searching the net for the business name, they already know the business and will end up at their website. Where is the value add here? Just a simple video? When you rank a video for the business name you aren't really generating any new traffic for them but rather piggy backing on their name and their existing traffic. No??

    Do you have any examples of RECENT work and real results from these videos?

    Thanks.


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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I think I'm just going to come out and say this.

    Don, is there anything you haven't done? Pretty much every post you make is about something you've done a "LONG" time ago. You gotta be at least 150 by now.
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      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      I think I'm just going to come out and say this.

      Don, is there anything you haven't done? Pretty much every post you make is about something you've done a "LONG" time ago. You gotta be at least 150 by now.
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        Omg...This is one of my fav comedians, Lavelle Crawford. His facial expressions are epic!
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    • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      I think I'm just going to come out and say this.

      Don, is there anything you haven't done? Pretty much every post you make is about something you've done a "LONG" time ago. You gotta be at least 150 by now.
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      What if the videos were ranked for; "Sushi Restaurant in Denver CO - Ming's Sushi Bar"?

      And....what if the EMAIL had something like the following in the Subject Line;

      Google; "Sushi Restaurant in Denver CO - Ming's Sushi Bar"? and see what comes up!

      In the body is an explanation of what they are looking at and....a comment to "reply to this email if interested" or "ask us to remove"!

      Plus....the video also has "Positive Reviews" gotten from Yelp.com or Superpages, Yellowpages or Trip Advisor.

      We choose restaurants with a min of 5 Reviews and....we choose "good" restaurants NOT "greasy spoons".

      When the owners SEE the Positive Reviews IN the video.....and how they are presented.....they WANT the video to stay....and, sometimes we have to "negotiate" on the price. BUT...when they understand they have an EXCLUSIVE for their type of Cuisine....they buy!

      And.....when they have paid....we offer an "UpDate" to keep their video up for a Monthly Fee!

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      • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
        again, what is the point? If you rank for the restaurant name, it is only getting traffic from people who are ALREADY searching for THAT restaurant. You aren't generating traffic for that restaurant only being parasitic to their existing traffic. If they are dumb enough to sign up for that, then take their money.

        It's literally like standing in their doorway and showing people their restaurant video who are already there...LOL.

        How many of these have you sold? Have any links to ones you or your students have done? What is the closing ratio?

        Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author internetmonkey
          Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

          again, what is the point? If you rank for the restaurant name, it is only getting traffic from people who are ALREADY searching for THAT restaurant. You aren't generating traffic for that restaurant only being parasitic to their existing traffic. If they are dumb enough to sign up for that, then take their money.

          It's literally like standing in their doorway and showing people their restaurant video who are already there...LOL.

          How many of these have you sold? Have any links to ones you or your students have done? What is the closing ratio?

          Thanks!
          Parasitic? Really? You don't think it helps a restaurant to have a video with 5 star reviews show up when someone searches for them?
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          • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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            WOW! I ....LOVE doing this; bringing da Nega-Tits out from under their rocks.

            Again...I preface my "stuff" with...."THIS is NOT a WSO or Sales Presentation....I am NOT "selling" anything here.....just "sharing something I've had success with!" and....maybe, some viewers can get a grasp on what someone is doing to make money.

            And....as usual....dee Nega-tits have to present THEIR "Expertise" as to WHY....something CAN'T be done!

            "Wow!" "Copyright Infringement!" "Wow!".....I would delete a Video like dis, in a second"!

            Yup...you sure would! My basic response to my "Nega-Tits""...."Hey! Getta Life!" I feel sorry for youse people!" (Eh!...Not really!) Ya feel COMPELLED to espouse yer "knowledge" as to why something won't work...while US "Doers" continue....makin' money!)

            Anyway...suffice to say that US, DOERS continue to DO! whilst you "negas" expound on why what we're doin'....won't work!'

            MY advice...go back to yer "J.O.B.S" and let US...Doers....Do!

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              Don:

              Popped you another PM...Let me know and thanks.

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        • Profile picture of the author Shai
          Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

          again, what is the point? If you rank for the restaurant name, it is only getting traffic from people who are ALREADY searching for THAT restaurant. You aren't generating traffic for that restaurant only being parasitic to their existing traffic. If they are dumb enough to sign up for that, then take their money.
          The point is that it gets your foot in the door, and once you start getting paid you can always start trying to rank it for other local keywords that WILL generate leads.

          While Don did not mention doing that (and he may not), it doesn't take much outside the box thinking to get you there. Plus, you could include the video free if they purchase other services of equal or greater value, like ranking their website to generate leads.


          Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post


          If you sent out 100 cold emails with that offer ^, you would be extremely lucky to get just 1 sale. What you are likely to get (out of every 100 cold emails), is 2 or 3 business owners who reply back to you with some, shall we say, "colorful" words, for using their images without their permission.
          Saying "what you are likely to get" is speculation based on other cold emailing approaches you have tried. Since he is claiming that he has been doing this and having good success, rather than just speculation on if it might work, you can't just dismiss it outright. You can't know if this tactic would work differently unless you actually try it.

          His videos may be very good. He may outline more in his emails than he has mentioned here, or he may just be approaching the right people that that approach works for.

          Frankly, I don't see the issue in trying it out. You don't have to make 100. If you do 10 and get no responses, you may want to drop it, or rework it in some way to make it more appealing. Who knows?

          I do agree that the price is a little much for just ranking the business name, but if they agree and you can add more value (lead generation) to it, it may be worthwhile.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
            Originally Posted by Shai View Post

            Saying "what you are likely to get" is speculation based on other cold emailing approaches you have tried.
            No speculation needed... just common sense. No business owner in their right mind is going to give you $500 for a cheap slideshow-style video that ranks for keywords that no one (or very few people) ever search for.

            And trust me... if you're in a decent-sized town, the keywords that actually are worth going after are, more times than not, not that easy to rank for (especially if you want to maintain that ranking).

            Originally Posted by Shai View Post

            Frankly, I don't see the issue in trying it out.
            If you have plenty of free time on your hands and are a glutton for punishment, then go for it! (you'll find that the number of cold emails you have to send out in order to close a $500 sale will definitely qualify as "punishment", lol).

            Trial and error is the best teacher though. Once you make enough mistakes and waste enough time and energy making them, you will eventually learn what not to do.

            And I'm not knocking Don... I've read some interesting things from him before. I just believe you would have to make some significant tweaks to this particular business model before you could expect to make anything even remotely approaching a consistent income with it.
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            • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
              Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

              No speculation needed... just common sense. No business owner in their right mind is going to give you $500 for a cheap slideshow-style video that ranks for keywords that no one (or very few people) ever search for.

              And trust me... if you're in a decent-sized town, the keywords that actually are worth going after are, more times than not, not that easy to rank for (especially if you want to maintain that ranking).



              If you have plenty of free time on your hands and are a glutton for punishment, then go for it! (you'll find that the number of cold emails you have to send out in order to close a $500 sale will definitely qualify as "punishment", lol).

              Trial and error is the best teacher though. Once you make enough mistakes and waste enough time and energy making them, you will eventually learn what not to do.

              And I'm not knocking Don... I've read some interesting things from him before. I just believe you would have to make some significant tweaks to this particular business model before you could expect to make anything even remotely approaching a consistent income with it.

              exactly. The only example that was ever posted in the numerous similar posting on this was some terrible fuzzy photos of a restaurant that looked like they were taken in 1978.

              These are not professional videos but rather photo slide shows. I dare anyone to post some examples that they have sold for 497 or even 250.

              yes, there are claims made, and only claims of success. Don keeps hedging his bets that he isn't selling anything so nobody should criticize him. He is making claims that he isn't backing up. Please show some examples that have been sold. Otherwise your good sounding ideas are leading people down the wrong path. Present your ideas as untested and let people try them. Or if you are having some success, back it up.
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            • Profile picture of the author Shai
              Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

              No speculation needed... just common sense. No business owner in their right mind is going to give you $500 for a cheap slideshow-style video that ranks for keywords that no one (or very few people) ever search for.
              You kind of ignored the bulk of what I was saying.

              I didn't say the pricing was speculation. What I quoted from you was your speculation on his response rate from his tactic. There is a very high likelihood that people will at least do the search, out of curiosity, especially if the clients are hand picked. If they have no web presence, at all, they may very well be impressed.

              I acknowledged that the pricing was too steep for only ranking the business name, but that is just a tactic to get your foot in the door. It is a quick and easy thing to do. You can always rank it for other keywords once you get a sale. In fact, I would express that the sale includes ranking for lead generating keywords.

              Besides, the video and ranking is just to show that you can do it, and get their attention. You can always create a new, more professional video once you are getting paid. Or you could simply offer to rank their website in the same way, and get rid of the video. Whatever the client wants. The idea is to get the door open and a dialogue started.

              Think outside the box and modify it to your style. I personally would never try to sell them a ranking for just their business name. Whatever I sold them would include things that would generate leads for them.

              If they, however, don't have a website that does rank for their business name, setting one up for them might be something they would be interested in.


              And trust me... if you're in a decent-sized town, the keywords that actually are worth going after are, more times than not, not that easy to rank for (especially if you want to maintain that ranking).
              True, but isn't that your job? Wouldn't you have to rank their website in a similar way? Wouldn't you have worked out in advance how difficult it would be to rank keywords for those businesses, and select clients you COULD rank? Your comment is a reflection of SEO, as a whole, not his approach.

              Don says that he has had success with this technique. You appear to be saying that he is lying. I don't know Don, so I don't know the basis of your feelings toward him. What I do know is that he didn't charge for this information, and it would take you relatively little time to, at least, try it.

              You may be right. It may not work, but you can't know for sure without trying it. I know that it would not be a blanket approach. There are many clients that it wouldn't work for, but it may work very well for some. As with all things in marketing it is about knowing your customers.
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          • Profile picture of the author peter_act
            Originally Posted by Shai View Post

            Since he is claiming that he has been doing this and having good success, rather than just speculation on if it might work, you can't just dismiss it outright. You can't know if this tactic would work differently unless you actually try it.

            Frankly, I don't see the issue in trying it out. You don't have to make 100. If you do 10 and get no responses, you may want to drop it, or rework it in some way to make it more appealing. Who knows?
            The most sensible comment in this thread, Shai.

            Don't knock anything if you haven't tried it.

            I've tried a few of Don's ideas, and also some other WSOs without much success, but I don't blame Don. The ideas are good, it's just that I'm no salesman. For instance, his idea of a channel guide with a pizza ad on it is a good one, as is creating a mobile directory of nearby eating places for each motel. I've done all the work, created the channel guide, and even the mobile directory, but haven't had the intestinal fortitude to approach either a motel or a pizza place.

            A lot of the negative people here would have stood by the runway at Kittyhawk saying "It'll never get off the ground, Wilbur."

            And umc sounds like the kind of guy who would sue Thomas Edison for destroying his candle business. No wonder the U.S. is such a litiginous society if the first reaction to anything is to call in the lawyers.
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      • Profile picture of the author SashaLee
        Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post


        Google; "Sushi Restaurant in Denver CO - Ming's Sushi Bar"? and see what comes up!

        Don Alm.....STILL Riling-Up da Troops
        What comes up? Not your video, even when I test from a connection originating in America.
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        • Profile picture of the author daveinva
          I think that was just a sample subject line. May not have been an actual one he's done...
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  • Profile picture of the author focusedlife
    I have my own twist:

    I just do ONE proof for a business that I did THIS (whatever the proof is) for and suggest i can do it for them too.

    I use an email tracking service to see how many times the email was looked at (if at all), how long it was viewed and then I follow up with a phone call.

    Far easier to send out templates than doing the manual work that Don seems to be doing.

    Don...great idea, by the way, and on behalf of those that need some help with the creativity sometimes...thankful that you decided to post something like this.

    I wish we could verify that $497/day number...there's no reason I wouldn't be doing it that way if that were the case.

    Thanks again.

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  • Profile picture of the author akazo
    Not going to knock the effectiveness of the technique, but it is soooo similar to an existing WSO on how to get your foot in the door for reputation management services that I have to wonder who copied whom...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheCG
      Originally Posted by akazo View Post

      Not going to knock the effectiveness of the technique, but it is soooo similar to an existing WSO on how to get your foot in the door for reputation management services that I have to wonder who copied whom...

      Really? Can you post a link to it?
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      • Profile picture of the author akazo
        Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

        Really? Can you post a link to it?
        I really don't want to give any links because I think the WSO is very weak and I don't want anyone to think I am promoting it but it is called "Youtube Sniper" or something like that. Again I am in no way endorsing the program, it is weak... just backing up what I said.
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          Originally Posted by akazo View Post

          I really don't want to give any links because I think the WSO is very weak and I don't want anyone to think I am promoting it but it is called "Youtube Sniper" or something like that. Again I am in no way endorsing the program, it is weak... just backing up what I said.
          Yeah...that is a pretty weak one.

          His income claims are higher than Don's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruha
    I agree with a previous comment here. Why not just rank your own more generic videos for the town name + niche. Then contact the businesses showing them your video ranking #1 and how that could be their video at the top for various keywords in the town.

    Just another way of doing things. If you don't like Don's approach exactly, then just think a little and modify the approach to fit your comfort level.
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  • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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    Aha! After reading some of the nego posts above saying why "selling videos to biz owners for display on their sites" is "malarkey" or...whatever reason why biz owners won't buy a Video of THEIR BIZ!

    The commentators think that the ONLY way a website can be found is via Googling the Main KeyWord for that biz (Plumber in Toledo) and....if the video does not show up on the First Page....it's "worthless"!

    Aha me cronies.....the assumption here is that businesses are depending entirely on Big G for their advertising exposure.

    There are NUMEROUS places where biznesses advertise THEIR biz AND their website....other than Big G.

    For ex; Today I received an insert in my local paper that was filled with ads for Local Biznesses (Holiday Gift Guide)

    Upon looking at some of the Biz Ads I noticed that those WITH Websites, made sure readers SEE the URL of their sites.....and, upon checking out some of those sites I noticed ONE....GLARING thing about them;

    ALL of the sites had some sort of Photos and descriptions about what they offer HOWEVER.....only TWO had a Video (out of about 150 ads)

    Thus....again, there are OTHER ways biznesses attract consumers to their Sites besides Big G.

    So....they are OPEN to having a Video ON their site that, "GRABS attention"....Previews the biz....Makes the biz appear "more professional" and....makes them stand OUT from competition....thus, making these biz with Sites....GOOD PROSPECTS FOR A VIDEO!

    Don Alm.....been doin' advertising stuff fer many a year
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    • Profile picture of the author daveinva
      Don, appreciate the update on this. It is a viable way to bring value to a business.

      My question is, from your experience emailing these businesses as you describe in the original post, what kind of metric do you see? 1 sale for every 10 emails, 1 for every 100, 1 for every 1,000?

      Just trying to get an idea of how this offer will convert.

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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    Will you please link a few examples of the "minimum of 1 video a day" you or your neighbor are selling for $497?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      HEY! THIS is NOT a WSO!....PERIOD!

      I do NOT have TIME to provide details! Period!

      This section of Allen's Forum is just for "INFORMATION"!

      The only problem with providing "Curiosity" Info is.....viewers want MORE info on the Info provided AND....if the providers of this "INFO" (ME) do not provide more details....WE are often-times considered as "Taunts" or worse

      So...taunt me all you want!

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        Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

        HEY! THIS is NOT a WSO!....PERIOD!

        I do NOT have TIME to provide details! Period!

        This section of Allen's Forum is just for "INFORMATION"!

        The only problem with providing "Curiosity" Info is.....viewers want MORE info on the Info provided AND....if the providers of this "INFO" (ME) do not provide more details....WE are often-times considered as "Taunts" or worse

        So...taunt me all you want!

        Don Alm....Taunter from waaay baack
        Dang right, set them straight Dandy Don, you tell them...

        This post is about hype and to draw attention to myself and my sig, its not about reality and telling you how to get it done for realz.

        I dont have time to tell you how to sell cuz I got some car dealers on the line who want to order a boatload of $50 mouse pads from me.

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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    Has anyone ever added up the Midas totals? $497 a day here, $7k a month there. He's gotta be worth millions from all this residual money.
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    • Profile picture of the author daveinva
      Well, I've asked the OP both privately and publicly to list his metrics (any good marketer knows them) and I've not heard back. So, I have to conclude this is not as tried and true as it's made out to be.

      It's a shame and it happens all the time here in the forum...someone shares a 'perceived' good idea and has no clue if it really works, but promotes it as the latest and greatest.

      Sad really...


      PS: I spoke to the guy who offered the Facebook method and he said he had to message hundreds to get anyone to respond
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Originally Posted by daveinva View Post

        Well, I've asked the OP both privately and publicly to list his metrics (any good marketer knows them) and I've not heard back. So, I have to conclude this is not as tried and true as it's made out to be.

        It's a shame and it happens all the time here in the forum...someone shares a 'perceived' good idea and has no clue if it really works, but promotes it as the latest and greatest.

        Sad really...


        PS: I spoke to the guy who offered the Facebook method and he said he had to message hundreds to get anyone to respond
        I have always clicked on his threads and after a good dose of his enthusiasm, kind of felt that I was not suitable for selling ANYTHING... How can someone from the boonies always come out ahead in sales/and/or helping countless people save their houses by taking one of his ideas and then all their problems disappears and their pockets are full of cash?

        NOT happening...

        But, instead of harping on the idea, WHAT would you do with it? Selling it at half price? Combining it with something else? How would YOU make it work? Let us brainstorm this idea that is obviously seriously flawed and make it into something that works,

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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          Presumably, if you find businesses that have no 1st or page presence, not even for their name (my favorite bakery is such a case; I don't know another), you could do it Don's way. Maybe even charge as much as he does.

          Otherwise, maybe you can rank a video about the business for some useful term, then call them about it. Or call them first, tell them you'll rank it within 48 hrs, then, when it's ranking, call them. You know... show them you can do it fast with a term people use to find them. Voasi, here on this forum, has a whole WSO about that. Clever too.

          My experience, though, even free needs to be sold.

          But, you're right, time's best spent on using things as springboards for ideas you can implement.


          Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+ View Post

          I have always clicked on his threads and after a good dose of his enthusiasm, kind of felt that I was not suitable for selling ANYTHING... How can someone from the boonies always come out ahead in sales/and/or helping countless people save their houses by taking one of his ideas and then all their problems disappears and their pockets are full of cash?

          NOT happening...

          But, instead of harping on the idea, WHAT would you do with it? Selling it at half price? Combining it with something else? How would YOU make it work? Let us brainstorm this idea that is obviously seriously flawed and make it into something that works,

          Eva
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          • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            Presumably, if you find businesses that have no 1st or page presence, not even for their name (my favorite bakery is such a case; I don't know another), you could do it Don's way. Maybe even charge as much as he does.

            Otherwise, maybe you can rank a video about the business for some useful term, then call them about it. Or call them first, tell them you'll rank it within 48 hrs, then, when it's ranking, call them. You know... show them you can do it fast with a term people use to find them. Voasi, here on this forum, has a whole WSO about that. Clever too.

            My experience, though, even free needs to be sold.

            But, you're right, time's best spent on using things as springboards for ideas you can implement.
            Could you provide a link to it please?

            Eva
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      • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
        Originally Posted by daveinva View Post

        Well, I've asked the OP both privately and publicly to list his metrics (any good marketer knows them) and I've not heard back. So, I have to conclude this is not as tried and true as it's made out to be.

        It's a shame and it happens all the time here in the forum...someone shares a 'perceived' good idea and has no clue if it really works, but promotes it as the latest and greatest.

        Sad really...
        What is also sad are people who share good information like Don, but also provide enough information for newbies to do it who then do things to ruin it for others.

        When you have a few extra hours, read this thread:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...orking-me.html

        Anyone capable of building a business can take ideas presented by Don (and many others) and run with them without the handholding some people seem to think they are owed.

        Don has basically said many times that he presents ideas for action takers, not for the people who need WSO type details for them to think about maybe doing something.

        Marvin
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I like the strategy....but there is more to lead generation that just ranking a video on Page One of Google. Need to back it up with a Lead Capture, Sales Funnel and Follow Up System.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    When people make claims, they should back them up with facts and data. Or don't make any claims.

    Whether they are selling any wso or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      "When people make claims, they should back them up with facts and data. Or don't make any claims.

      Whether they are selling any wso or not. "

      WHY?

      EXCUSE me sir....I have been selling stuff since the FIRST DAY when I REALIZED that...I cannot depend on an "EmPloyer or Da Gummit to provide for Me or MY family!

      Whether YOU know it or not...we are STILL...in a "Capitalistic-Conservative" country and...there are SOME individuals (like ME) who have not only survived BUT...THRIVED.

      And...WHY....should US "Doers"....GIVE....our "Stuff" to YOU? Jus' cause we mention something that has worked for US"?

      Go figger it out fer yer self!

      I just "toss-out" my....(Please remember the following word)
      ...............POSSIBILITIES!

      Pay DA Price.... like I and other "Entroopeneers" have done!

      Don Alm.....long time "finder and DOER of Money-Making..IDEAS
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        Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

        "When people make claims, they should back them up with facts and data. Or don't make any claims.

        Whether they are selling any wso or not. "

        WHY?

        EXCUSE me sir....I have been selling stuff since the FIRST DAY when I REALIZED that...I cannot depend on an "EmPloyer or Da Gummit to provide for Me or MY family!

        Whether YOU know it or not...we are STILL...in a "Capitalistic-Conservative" country and...there are SOME individuals (like ME) who have not only survived BUT...THRIVED.

        And...WHY....should US "Doers"....GIVE....our "Stuff" to YOU? Jus' cause we mention something that has worked for US"?

        Go figger it out fer yer self!

        I just "toss-out" my....(Please remember the following word)
        ...............POSSIBILITIES!

        Pay DA Price.... like I and other "Entroopeneers" have done!

        Don Alm.....long time "finder and DOER of Money-Making..IDEAS


        Quit your whining Midas.

        YOU are claiming 497 a day, in fact, more than 1 a day. But you offer no proof to back it up. You are being half assed, straddling between making offers/claims but then being passive when you get a little pushback.

        You should really go ahead and create a WSO and sell it, and offer more proof of success. That's more honest than throwing out BS numbers and when someone calls you on it, you cry "but im offering free info".

        It's becoming spammy when you post the same rank some video for the company's own name post in several threads along w/ your own threads. That is like me charging a business to hand out flyers for that business to their customers who already arrived AT the business. (ranking for those who already are searching for the business name).

        YOU are making the claim of 497 a day. so back it up. You have only posted some fuzzy photo vid of a restaurant once, that looked like it was 20 yrs old.

        People here want real information that people have tried and what their actual successes are, or general discussion. Your post is half ass, trying to make claims with little to back it up.

        Why do you quit all your programs that you have posted? If you would keep them up and can earn your claims, you'd be worth millions. It's always back in the day.....

        Just be honest.

        You are entertaining and do have some good input on old skool strategies that are still valuable applied today but cmon, knock off the crap please.
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