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Hi,

I have a huge stumbling block that I have putted off solving for a long long time.

I have a very high level of anxiety when I am around other people. Espescially when people invite me to social events except when it's with very very close friends that I have known for years.

I am also a very angry and sometime very bitter person -- anger is like an old crutch I can't seem to get rid of (albeit it gets easier years to years to do without).

I used not to care about these character flaws.

But I see now that how personal relationships can help grease an organization, and just make it a much more pleasant work environment to be in.

I think I must not give off a very good vibe either.

I guess it must not be very pleasant to work alongside someone who wants to stay in his corner all the time. Sometime, sadly, other people (co-workers) think I don't care about them because I am not very expressive and aloof, but it isn't true.

I like systems, numbers. Do this, rebut with this. Go there, ask this question, use that technique, get the sale. But at this point I think maybe this too might be a crutch to an extent and I need to attack the core problem.

Beside binge drinking(jk), what can I do to relax around other people? I have no idea how to solve this lifelong problem.Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    Hi,

    I have a huge stumbling block that I have putted off solving for a long long time.

    I have a very high level of anxiety when I am around other people. Espescially when people invite me to social events except when it's with very very close friends that I have known for years.

    I am also a very angry person -- anger is like an old crutch I can't seem to get rid of (albeit it gets easier years to years to do without). And yeah, I know it is a vice and I'm working to correct this...

    I used not to care about these character flaws.

    But I see now that how personal relationships can help grease an organization, and just make it a much more pleasant work environment to be in.

    I guess it must not be very pleasant to work alongside someone who wants to stay in his corner all the time. Sometime, sadly, other people (co-workers) think I don't care about them because I am not very expressive and aloof, but it isn't true.

    I like systems, numbers. Do this, rebut with this. Go there, ask this question, use that technique, get the sale. But at this point I think maybe this too might be a crutch to an extent and I need to attack the core problem.

    Beside binge drinking(jk), what can I do to relax around other people? I have no idea how to solve this lifelong problem.

    Join a sport or a team. For instance a league.
    Baseball, softball, bowling, soccer, billiards,darts .... something that is a TEAM event.
    Something that has consequences when you lose.

    Only join a league that you have interest in.

    It doesn't matter if you suck at the "game" The lessons you will learn
    are invaluable. They will be life long lessons you will never forget.

    Such as working together. learning and understanding your and your team mates
    strengths and weaknesses, as well as a myriad of other things that will provide you
    with direct benefits when it comes to sales.

    A few examples; people watching. There is so much you can learn ...
    if you just watch and pay attention. It doesn't not matter if they are
    squabbling over a corn dog, who pays the bill this week or
    complete strangers wanting to fight or fukc.

    It will a teach you important things.
    Don't drink or get high when your doing it. That removes the "clinical "
    memory process that allows you to deduce what the experience teaches.

    Being on a team event that has consequences will also teach you about yourself.

    Are you a pressure guy, the goto guy .. the fall guy... the accidental leader?
    the one no body cares about. can you handle criticism and advise.. regardless
    of how it / what the intentions are when its delivered.

    do you have the drive to learn, excel, lead. Be the best?
    do you crumble or fold when you are the last chance for the team to
    win or move ahead in a tourney.

    A lot of games are equally about patience as skill.
    So is sales. So is relationships ( with yourself and with others). So is life.

    One of the reasons I suggest a league is most leagues move around different venues
    most have tournaments with quite a few outsiders showing up to watch.
    Its designed that way to make the league operators and the business hosting
    the events money.

    It will be super uncomfortable at first. Time will improve that.
    and THAT will help with your anxiety around people you do not know.

    leagues are a fantastic place for net working. Not making sales, just finding out who is who
    and them finding out who you are.

    and the other. You can always get lucky and find something you love.
    I had your same issues, I joined a league. I now play with the pros.

    and I love every minute of it.

    As far as anger. It is easy to be angry when your not confident or happy.
    Also, I think every male has anger issues ... until they out grow it
    or find something that helps them alleviate it. Even the rich ones.
    Even the ones handed a silver spoon, they still walk around
    pissed off all the time. Age and life experiences fix that.

    So will a league bro...

    I bet THIS was not a response you ever expected on a bizz forum ...
    much less from a known salesman
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I was exactly the same as you, except when I was a teenager.

      this is the only time I'll say this. Act as though you are interested in other people. Read one book...How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carnegie. Don't read another book. Read it over and over again.

      If you pretend like you are interested in others (simple things. Nothing complicated), they will like you because of the effort.

      It will be like wearing a mask. It can be exhausting. At first, even very small changes take effort. But it gets easier. No big change in behavior. You won't become the "The Most Popular Guy"....just be polite, compliment people....smile a little. ask an opinion, and listen....

      Do it a little at a time. No huge changes.

      Read the book. Study it.

      Eventually, this mask will become your face.

      And you'll never see it happening. It's what I did.

      You don't need to be outgoing. Most people aren't. Just soften the edges around your behavior.

      And anxiety? Eventually, it will be a dim memory. Why? Because behavior changes the wiring in your brain. Eventually you'll be the person you act like now.

      I promise. I did it.

      And you can do what Ken suggested too. But read the Carnegie book.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    Hi,

    I have a huge stumbling block that I have putted off solving for a long long time.

    I have a very high level of anxiety when I am around other people. Espescially when people invite me to social events except when it's with very very close friends that I have known for years.

    I am also a very angry and sometime very bitter person -- anger is like an old crutch I can't seem to get rid of (albeit it gets easier years to years to do without).

    I used not to care about these character flaws.

    But I see now that how personal relationships can help grease an organization, and just make it a much more pleasant work environment to be in.

    I think I must not give off a very good vibe either.

    I guess it must not be very pleasant to work alongside someone who wants to stay in his corner all the time. Sometime, sadly, other people (co-workers) think I don't care about them because I am not very expressive and aloof, but it isn't true.

    I like systems, numbers. Do this, rebut with this. Go there, ask this question, use that technique, get the sale. But at this point I think maybe this too might be a crutch to an extent and I need to attack the core problem.

    Beside binge drinking(jk), what can I do to relax around other people? I have no idea how to solve this lifelong problem.Thoughts?
    The way to solve, this issue is to simply be around more people. I kinda understand your situation, becoming a marketer has kinda put me in front of my
    Mac most of the days. You need to go out and meet people, I gave a local BNI group a try. Meet different people and see what they can say, 2 heads is always better than 1.

    For anger, you need to channel that anger in a positive way. Maybe start some meditation classes. Anger stems from certain things, try to eliminate those things that simply piss you off....
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  • Profile picture of the author umc
    Depending on the severity of your anxiety it could actually require the use of some therapy and even meds. I'm a rather anxiety ridden person, and anxiety often triggers anger/rage when the anxiety builds up within a person. It is the byproduct of the anxiety. Sometimes it is about feeling out of control. I have a lot of social anxiety issues (in addition to general anxiety), and it isn't as simple as being around more people. In fact, that can make it worse if I push myself to be around people when I don't feel up to it. Much, much worse. I love college football and my wife and I have season tickets. However we arrive before most people enter the stadium, sit in the seats, and let the stadium fill in around us. If I walk in to a full stadium, it can be too much. So maybe there is a way that you can be around people that calms you too.

    I guess it depends on where your anxiety truly stems from. If you isolate too much, then getting around people can help. If you can be around people and it doesn't help but rather worsens it, then you may need professional help.

    I know one thing that helps me is getting adequate sleep. If I'm well rested, I can be around people more. If I'm not, it can be bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by umc View Post

      Depending on the severity of your anxiety it could actually require the use of some therapy and even meds. I'm a rather anxiety ridden person, and anxiety often triggers anger/rage when the anxiety builds up within a person. It is the byproduct of the anxiety. Sometimes it is about feeling out of control. I have a lot of social anxiety issues (in addition to general anxiety), and it isn't as simple as being around more people. In fact, that can make it worse if I push myself to be around people when I don't feel up to it. Much, much worse. I love college football and my wife and I have season tickets. However we arrive before most people enter the stadium, sit in the seats, and let the stadium fill in around us. If I walk in to a full stadium, it can be too much. So maybe there is a way that you can be around people that calms you too.

      I guess it depends on where your anxiety truly stems from. If you isolate too much, then getting around people can help. If you can be around people and it doesn't help but rather worsens it, then you may need professional help.


      I know one thing that helps me is getting adequate sleep. If I'm well rested, I can be around people more. If I'm not, it can be bad.
      Good point, never thought about that.

      I used to always show up early too. I used the excuse to "practice"
      it was not untill much later I relized it was becuase I just felt more
      comfortable that way.

      I am hyper sensitive/aware of any space I am in.

      I know it stems from something that happened to me ... a looong time ago.
      I once had a therapist say it was PTSD.

      But the fact is, I have always been that way, that event only hieghtend it,
      it was never the cause of it.

      Something she never wanted to hear.
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      • Profile picture of the author umc
        I like to describe my family as a petri dish of mental disorders. My mom is bipolar II, my dad has depression and probably more but he'd never go see anyone and alcoholism runs deep in his side of the family. I'm most likely ADHD, definitely anxiety ridden, have a decent amount of control issues some of which are a bit OCD, and am a recovering perfectionist. I also struggle with addiction, though not to anything hard core, but because of my racing mind and search for stimulation (ADHD), anything stimulating can be kind of addicting. The internet, marketing ideas, business ideas in general, sports, food, sweets (had to give up sugary treats altogether cold turkey after watching my dad nearly kill himself with them, he never drank but ate sugar (alcohol is largely sugar) to the point of kidney failure and losing vision in one eye), television, etc. can be a source of addiction. Moderation is hard for me to find. I'm very all or nothing, unfortunately, though I battle hard to find some balance.

        So for me I don't which comes first, the anxiety or the likely ADHD or the whatever. It all just kind of goes together, and I don't take meds or see anyone, though I spent years heavily involved on some forums on the matter. I listen to audiobooks on the subject as well, as I don't have the attention span to focus.

        Regardless of what it is, even if you do take meds or work with a therapist, in the end you're going to need coping skills. Mine is getting to the games early for football games. I also know that I hate large groups and am much more comfortable in small ones. So my wife and I don't have big groups over and we don't hang out with even our family members in big groups. We do things in very small ways, maybe even just going out for dinner or something. Find the way you work, don't expect everyone to work the same. We're all different. When I felt like I was supposed to do what others did and feel like they did I was miserable. When I accepted that I work differently and worked within the parameters of how I was comfortable, I was much happier. I'm also an introvert, so social situations sap the energy from me instead of feeding me. So if I do something social I'm wiped out and know that I need a little time to regenerate.
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        • Profile picture of the author umc
          Oh, and something Ken mentioned above, the people watching, is really good IF you do it with the view of understanding the limitations and abilities of others, not from a judgmental stance. If you can really see why people act like they do, and not just think that they're idiots for acting that way, you gain something called empathy that I've just recently learned about.

          I recently listened to a book about vulnerability by Brene Brown, and it was pretty eye opening to see how little I understood on the subject. It really helped me to understand others better, even people as close to me as my wife who I'm with pretty much 24/7 in our business and life.

          Another good book is A New Earth by Eckart Tolle. Helped me to see that my ego was out of whack and was one reason that I didn't relate to others. I still struggle with that but I get better.

          If you can see others beneath the facade and get out of your own head and into theirs a bit, you can really make better connections and with understanding comes somewhat less anxiety in social interactions.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThePromotionalGuy
    So socialentry if I understand you correctly you're one of us.

    Welcome to our exclusive club.

    All of us, me included are dealing with our own issues.

    I have parents that never wanted me and a father who when I was 18 came into my life trying to get me to sign over a life insurance policy of $1,000,000 in the event I died. When I refused to sign it would be 10 years later that I would see him again but for only a few months.

    My birth mother deliberately moved away and never left a forwarding address. It took close to 5 years to locate her. When I did and called the first words out of her mouth were, "How'd you get this number?" I haven't seen any of my relatives in over 20 years and none of them ever wanted to know their grandchildren.

    Now some might think I was a bad kid and got in trouble with the law. Nope. I did what I was told, worked hard from the time I turned 10. Was very involved in school through sports, drama class and journalism.

    When you talk about anger issues it brings back my own memories of despair and loneliness. I remember back in my senior year of high school I turned 18 mid year.

    That morning I went to school and when I got home the locks were changed and all of my belongings were sitting in brown paper bags.

    The odd part about my youth is that my younger brother was a hoodlum and was in trouble with the law all the time and my family always enjoyed listening to all the scrapes got into.

    Even to this day some 40+ years later I have depression and self-esteem issues that plaque me but for me my comfort comes from reading scripture. I'm not at all religious or some kind of preacher. I read to calm myself down and to find wisdom.

    What has helped me with my issues is realizing things I have that I take for granted and be thankful for them.

    For instance I'm the only person in my family who has been married to the same woman for nearly 30 years. I have 5 grown children and now 8 grandchildren.

    I have great health and the last time I saw a doctor was well over 20 years ago.

    If I could advise you I would just say be thankful for what you do have. Don't take yourself to serious and by all means stay in touch with the rest of us.

    We are all humans first and business people second.

    One final thought: laugh a lot and laugh at yourself and get great at telling jokes. People love to laugh so they too can forget their troubles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    Hi,

    I have a huge stumbling block that I have putted off solving for a long long time.

    I have a very high level of anxiety when I am around other people. Espescially when people invite me to social events except when it's with very very close friends that I have known for years.
    I think the majority have a low-level stress response to meeting new people.

    People that have had depression have an excess of cortisol in their bodies which makes them hyper-sensitive. If you are a naturally perceptive and introverted person this can magnify your issues to other people.

    The good news is that the human mind can adapt to nearly any situation. You are nervous socialising because that's not something you regularly do. Your anxiety can progressively be broken down by pushing your comfort zone a little every day; joining clubs and chatting to strangers will make you realize this is all in your head.

    The quicker you realize that you aren't that important the less anxiety you'll feel. When you start to realize that people are simply too self-absorbed to really consider you, let alone make some sort of judgment about you the better as well. They are more afraid about what you think of them to make those kind of distinctions.

    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    I am also a very angry and sometime very bitter person -- anger is like an old crutch I can't seem to get rid of (albeit it gets easier years to years to do without).
    Anger makes you feel powerful but it doesn't hurt or affect anyone but you.

    Most of anger I think comes down to having broken or unrealistic expectations about life. It's the judgment that hurts you, not what someone says or what happens to you.

    I was in the similar position until I decided to move and live more in alignment with my values, doing what I wanted to do.

    The anger does eventually go away but you can't be passive about it.

    Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

    Beside binge drinking(jk), what can I do to relax around other people? I have no idea how to solve this lifelong problem.Thoughts?
    The more you socialize the easier this is going to be in the long-term. There's really no way around it.

    You can also consider what your automatic thoughts are which are causing the stress response.

    And then go a step deeper and re-evaluate your foundational beliefs about yourself or other people which give credibility to the thoughts.

    I wrote a post that deals with this headtrash on cold calling, but I assure you the same principles apply here too.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ospecting.html

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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Social anxiety can happen for a lot of reasons. But the most common reason is it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Like the more you avoid social situations, the worst the anxiety will become. The more of a recluse you become, the worse you will be when you leave your home.

    It can also be biologically caused by your adrenal glands. Some people just go into fight or flight mode and have very sensitive adrenal glands. A bad diet, lots of sugar and caffeine can screw up cortisol / adrenaline production and make you anxious overtime. It can also cause high blood pressure / hypertension and other things that will make you feel on edge. Only solution to this is to take betablockers or take better care of yourself.

    It can also be like a dozen other things. I may just be pathological. As in part of your temperament. And a persons basic temperament can not be changed. But you can alter that way you respond to things through therapy, practice, medicine and tons of other crap.

    What I find helps me most is just taking care of myself. A good balanced diet, low sugar, exercise (weights) and running keeps me chill most of the time. But if I do not work out and eat bad for a few weeks, I immediately notice myself becoming more anxious and on edge. I become more aggressive, less agreeable, and can develop an attitude. I think its a mix of genetics and hot italian blood. Which is why I workout in the first place like I said, it keeps me chill and relaxed.
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