Help on outsourcing cold-calls

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Lately I have been looking around for people who want to partner up with me and do the cold-calling part, I have even posted an ad on WF:

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-per-sale.html

Anyways, straight to the point: Where do you think would be the best place(s) to look for people that would find an offer like this interesting?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

/Uros
#coldcalls #outsourcing
  • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
    Cold callers are ALL around, you just have to look for them.

    As for why you can't find anyone, most of them don't do commission or JV. Why? Because we make more money working for ourselves and commission isn't going to make us a living. If commission was that lucrative, more people would be calling for themselves and not looking for commissioned callers.
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  • Profile picture of the author neuroscience
    This is not anything original, so this will only attract people who wants to get started in the business or people who have tried several other things with little to no results - ergo a load of work for you to get them started.

    As Mwind076 pointed out, if they can sell why not do it yourself and outsource the programming (as you didn't mention any uniqueness about your mobilewebsites to differentiate yourself from the 1000s of other providers).

    You wrote you did some calls and had a few sales, which sounds amazing, nothing beats a live demonstration of you selling with ease.
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  • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
    I understand that you could make a lot working by yourself, but I think that a $1200 commission really could make you a great income, as stated by my post. I mean, if I'd pay you by an hourly rate of even $100(Wich is FAR more than most proffessional cold-callers would charge), you'd have to work for 12 hours to be able to earn as much as just one commission and I highly doubt that it would take you 12 hours to make a sale, especially if you're a proffessional. If it would, you would not be hearing from me again, that's for sure. So as far as I see it, it's a win-win situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author isaacsmithjones
      Originally Posted by urosinho10 View Post

      I understand that you could make a lot working by yourself, but I think that a $1200 commission really could make you a great income, as stated by my post. I mean, if I'd pay you by an hourly rate of even $100(Wich is FAR more than most proffessional cold-callers would charge), you'd have to work for 12 hours to be able to earn as much as just one commission and I highly doubt that it would take you 12 hours to make a sale, especially if you're a proffessional. If it would, you would not be hearing from me again, that's for sure. So as far as I see it, it's a win-win situation.
      It was mentioned earlier. And sorry to say, but your deal doesn't sound that unique. Many of us could easily afford to give away thousands per sale, and many of us do.

      But the pro cold callers need a better reason to work with you than the just money. If you were to say, "Yeah, I've made a couple sales in a day", then any cold caller with sense would think:

      "Well, if he can raise thousands of dollars in a day, then why doesn't he just raise some cash, and pay his cold callers per hour, plus commission".

      Commission only often implies that you're not confident that your product will sell.

      Either:

      1. Raise some cash by cold calling by yourself.
      2. Be willing to put in a TON of work training up a newbie.
      3. Raise some cash by getting your clients using a different medium.

      Once you have the cash, you'll be able to invest in better cold callers.
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      • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
        Well any one with common sense would understand that this way I can make more sales(especially since I can have an unlimited ammount of cold-callers working for me) with a fraction of the effort, it's pretty simple and straight forward.

        With commission only, I can be sure that I won't lose anything if I invest in a cold-caller and can be sure that I can only win and won't go minus.

        Anyway, where do you think I could find good cold-callers?


        Originally Posted by isaacsmithjones View Post

        It was mentioned earlier. And sorry to say, but your deal doesn't sound that unique. Many of us could easily afford to give away thousands per sale, and many of us do.

        But the pro cold callers need a better reason to work with you than the just money. If you were to say, "Yeah, I've made a couple sales in a day", then any cold caller with sense would think:

        "Well, if he can raise thousands of dollars in a day, then why doesn't he just raise some cash, and pay his cold callers per hour, plus commission".

        Commission only often implies that you're not confident that your product will sell.

        Either:

        1. Raise some cash by cold calling by yourself.
        2. Be willing to put in a TON of work training up a newbie.
        3. Raise some cash by getting your clients using a different medium.

        Once you have the cash, you'll be able to invest in better cold callers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thefreightdr
          Hi,
          do you have any openings for cold callers? i am willing but want to learn more about what I'm trying to sell.
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          • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
            Originally Posted by Thefreightdr View Post

            Hi,
            do you have any openings for cold callers? i am willing but want to learn more about what I'm trying to sell.
            I do, if you're interested just send me a pm for details.
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  • Profile picture of the author James English
    Your other option is looking into a place like this: Hire Commission Based Sales Reps in Two Days Hire Commission Sales Reps in 24 Hours - Time To Hire Corporation

    You pay them a flat rate, they send commission sales people to call you for interviews.

    Its pretty simple, but it seems more effective than looking on here. Everyone on here is looking for the same thing you are
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by James English View Post

      Your other option is looking into a place like this: Hire Commission Based Sales Reps in Two Days Hire Commission Sales Reps in 24 Hours - Time To Hire Corporation

      You pay them a flat rate, they send commission sales people to call you for interviews.

      Its pretty simple, but it seems more effective than looking on here. Everyone on here is looking for the same thing you are
      My clients and I have used services like this. The results have been poor. I haven't wanted to say anything previously but since you brought it up specifically I want to let people know.

      When I personally ended my working relationship with one of these firms, they didn't say anything at all. No attempt to keep me. They knew they'd sucked.
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      • Profile picture of the author James English
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        My clients and I have used services like this. The results have been poor. I haven't wanted to say anything previously but since you brought it up specifically I want to let people know.

        When I personally ended my working relationship with one of these firms, they didn't say anything at all. No attempt to keep me. They knew they'd sucked.
        Very good to know, thanks for the heads up Jason
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Gylseth
        Originally Posted by James English View Post

        Your other option is looking into a place like this: Hire Commission Based Sales Reps in Two Days Hire Commission Sales Reps in 24 Hours - Time To Hire Corporation

        You pay them a flat rate, they send commission sales people to call you for interviews.

        Its pretty simple, but it seems more effective than looking on here. Everyone on here is looking for the same thing you are
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        My clients and I have used services like this. The results have been poor. I haven't wanted to say anything previously but since you brought it up specifically I want to let people know.

        When I personally ended my working relationship with one of these firms, they didn't say anything at all. No attempt to keep me. They knew they'd sucked.
        We used this very service once, and they did deliver on people calling in, as promised, but none of those who called matched what we were looking for so we won't be using them again.

        urosinho10, you keep repeating yourself and don't seem to listen to what people are telling you. I'm not here to say that you can't find people to work on a commission base like this, but there is not necessarily any place that is better than others to find good sales people. We all want good sales people, but they are hard to come by, and even if you come by someone that has done well in the past it does not mean they will do well working for you. Hiring the right person takes experience and asking the right questions in the interview process. You don't want to hire just anybody willing to accept the position as you may quickly find that you spend as much time on training and coaching them as you would just doing the job yourself, meaning you still 'pay' for their time as you now have two people doing the job of one, and you still have to tend to your own responsibilities. If too much time is spent in training and coaching, it will by default affect your time to delivery.

        The reason why many outsource to telemarketing companies is because you pay that company to manage the hiring, training, and firing process. There are plenty of companies offering these services. I suggest you do some research to compare different service offerings, rates, industry experience, etc. You also want to make sure they have people that are not just speaking the language of the location they are calling, but have a clear pronunciation and an understanding as to how to respond with a listening ear.

        You keep mentioning the lower risk on your end by hiring someone on a commission basis. It's still not without risk, as they could misrepresent you or easily jump ship at a new and better opportunity. As you mention that things are going better now, do the math and see what makes sense. Say you hire a professional telemarketing company at $20/hour per person. You start out with one person who makes an average of 150 calls per day (to be conservative). Each person should, according to you, make at least 1 sale per day, which is $2,400 in your pocket. Subtract the salary of the sales person + some commission and you are left with about $2,000 in profit per day. You might have to pay an initial fee to get started, but if you can do some sales on your own you just save that to pay the initial fee. For the ongoing monthly fees you just make sure that you bill and collect from your clients before you have to pay the telemarketing company - and you won't have any problems with cashflow. Since your profit is much higher per sale, it will even allow you to hire more developers when that time comes, and still make a handsome profit from each site sold. This is how you would be able to scale.
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        • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
          Originally Posted by Chris Gylseth View Post

          We used this very service once, and they did deliver on people calling in, as promised, but none of those who called matched what we were looking for so we won't be using them again.

          urosinho10, you keep repeating yourself and don't seem to listen to what people are telling you. I'm not here to say that you can't find people to work on a commission base like this, but there is not necessarily any place that is better than others to find good sales people. We all want good sales people, but they are hard to come by, and even if you come by someone that has done well in the past it does not mean they will do well working for you. Hiring the right person takes experience and asking the right questions in the interview process. You don't want to hire just anybody willing to accept the position as you may quickly find that you spend as much time on training and coaching them as you would just doing the job yourself, meaning you still 'pay' for their time as you now have two people doing the job of one, and you still have to tend to your own responsibilities. If too much time is spent in training and coaching, it will by default affect your time to delivery.

          The reason why many outsource to telemarketing companies is because you pay that company to manage the hiring, training, and firing process. There are plenty of companies offering these services. I suggest you do some research to compare different service offerings, rates, industry experience, etc. You also want to make sure they have people that are not just speaking the language of the location they are calling, but have a clear pronunciation and an understanding as to how to respond with a listening ear.

          You keep mentioning the lower risk on your end by hiring someone on a commission basis. It's still not without risk, as they could misrepresent you or easily jump ship at a new and better opportunity. As you mention that things are going better now, do the math and see what makes sense. Say you hire a professional telemarketing company at $20/hour per person. You start out with one person who makes an average of 150 calls per day (to be conservative). Each person should, according to you, make at least 1 sale per day, which is $2,400 in your pocket. Subtract the salary of the sales person + some commission and you are left with about $2,000 in profit per day. You might have to pay an initial fee to get started, but if you can do some sales on your own you just save that to pay the initial fee. For the ongoing monthly fees you just make sure that you bill and collect from your clients before you have to pay the telemarketing company - and you won't have any problems with cashflow. Since your profit is much higher per sale, it will even allow you to hire more developers when that time comes, and still make a handsome profit from each site sold. This is how you would be able to scale.


          The reason I was repeating myself is because I wanted to get recommendations for specific places where I could go and find good sales people. Yes, I have gotten a lot of good tips that will absolutely help me and I will use, but I am still very interested in people recommending me good sites for finding sales people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I have a bigger question

    WTF does your mobile site do that makes it worth $3k?

    Especially with the shift to responsive sites.

    $1200 per sale sounds good but why would I spend time selling something like that? It simply doesn't sound like something that would sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
      I do understand your skeptisism, I was a bit of a sceptic myself when I first saw this, but what I heard a lot of people say is that the price doesn't really matter as long as you are good ad showing it's value. That is the only difference between me and other mobile website designers, yes we do make the same thing, but this script alone has increased it's value. Since it's Jason's script, maybe he could explain it better.

      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      I have a bigger question

      WTF does your mobile site do that makes it worth $3k?

      Especially with the shift to responsive sites.

      $1200 per sale sounds good but why would I spend time selling something like that? It simply doesn't sound like something that would sell.
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      • Profile picture of the author QuickSurf
        Originally Posted by urosinho10 View Post

        I do understand your skeptisism, I was a bit of a sceptic myself when I first saw this, but what I heard a lot of people say is that the price doesn't really matter as long as you are good ad showing it's value. That is the only difference between me and other mobile website designers, yes we do make the same thing, but this script alone has increased it's value. Since it's Jason's script, maybe he could explain it better.
        I don't get it... adding value is one thing, but nobody in their right mind that I know is going to pay 3k for a mobile site that's easy as cake to build even if multi page, maybe in Sweden?. Not when the avg mobile builder/company charges around $500 give or take. A regular website at that price is one thing and fairly common and can even be on the low end depending on what work is being done.

        You charge them 3k and they say well so and so can do exactly that, or they can go right online and see they can get the same thing for far less from any mobile builder... what are going to say to them, or what value are you going to offer over that? Maybe here and there with some moron business owners who don't know better lol.

        Far as outsourcing, its going to be hard being you live in Sweden. Finding a good telemarketer through sites like elance, odesk etc is like a needle in a haystack, even if you give them the exact script. At least in the states what works is paying a decent hourly wage + commission, other wise you'll end up going through people like crazy burning through them like a boiler room, which is fine, but to manage that from overseas will be tough constantly training etc. Once they see their making money and sales can offer to switch to commission, but offering straight commission off the bat for a "service" like this is pry going to get no bites from salesman.
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        • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
          Originally Posted by QuickSurf View Post

          I don't get it... adding value is one thing, but nobody in their right mind that I know is going to pay 3k for a mobile site that's easy as cake to build even if multi page, maybe in Sweden?. Not when the avg mobile builder/company charges around $500 give or take. A regular website at that price is one thing and fairly common and can even be on the low end depending on what work is being done.

          You charge them 3k and they say well so and so can do exactly that, or they can go right online and see they can get the same thing for far less from any mobile builder... what are going to say to them, or what value are you going to offer over that? Maybe here and there with some moron business owners who don't know better lol.

          Far as outsourcing, its going to be hard being you live in Sweden. Finding a good telemarketer through sites like elance, odesk etc is like a needle in a haystack, even if you give them the exact script. At least in the states what works is paying a decent hourly wage + commission, other wise you'll end up going through people like crazy burning through them like a boiler room, which is fine, but to manage that from overseas will be tough constantly training etc. Once they see their making money and sales can offer to switch to commission, but offering straight commission off the bat for a "service" like this is pry going to get no bites from salesman.

          You might want to read ronrule's post. I started selling these at $300 per website without any script and to be honest, I have actually found selling them this way and at this price much easier.

          Also, I did find a lot of people that were willing to work, some very good, some less good. Nonetheless, there was plenty of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    I don't understand why you wouldn't just hire someone for $8-$10 per hour to dial all day and then keep your $1,200?

    If a typical non-converting call took an average of two minutes, that's 240 calls per day (most are less than 30 seconds btw...). Which means a mere 0.41% conversion rate is one sale per day, and you only paid your telemarketer $80 instead of $1,200. Your actual outbound call volume would probably be closer to 400 calls per person. When I had people outbounding on the phone all day, the average person was clearing about $5k a day in sales, selling a $499 product. This isn't something you should be paying commissions for.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      I don't understand why you wouldn't just hire someone for $8-$10 per hour to dial all day and then keep your $1,200?

      If a typical non-converting call took an average of two minutes, that's 240 calls per day (most are less than 30 seconds btw...). Which means a mere 0.41% conversion rate is one sale per day, and you only paid your telemarketer $80 instead of $1,200. Your actual outbound call volume would probably be closer to 400 calls per person. When I had people outbounding on the phone all day, the average person was clearing about $5k a day in sales, selling a $499 product. This isn't something you should be paying commissions for.
      Would like to...can't find anyone local who wants to do the work.
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Would like to...can't find anyone local who wants to do the work.
        Really? I've never had a problem with it, it's high turnover but there are a lot of young people who will come in and get on the phone all day. It's the easiest job in the world if your scripts are good.
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        • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
          Around here there are loads of call centers. Outbound and Inbound.

          Jason maybe you could rent a building and make them employees. That might be the stumbling block.
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    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      I don't understand why you wouldn't just hire someone for $8-$10 per hour to dial all day and then keep your $1,200?

      If a typical non-converting call took an average of two minutes, that's 240 calls per day (most are less than 30 seconds btw...). Which means a mere 0.41% conversion rate is one sale per day, and you only paid your telemarketer $80 instead of $1,200. Your actual outbound call volume would probably be closer to 400 calls per person. When I had people outbounding on the phone all day, the average person was clearing about $5k a day in sales, selling a $499 product. This isn't something you should be paying commissions for.
      Well that's the thing, compare this to my offer. They could make a hundred times more, yet people are telling me that my offer isn't anything new or special and that they could make a ton more doing something else. When I first started with this I wasn't in a position where I could afford paying people to call, plus I thought they would be much more interested in an offer like this.

      Anyway, your post was very helpful, but do you know where I could find good quality sales people for rates like that? Where did you find those outbounders?

      Once again, thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by urosinho10 View Post

        Well that's the thing, compare this to my offer. They could make a hundred times more, yet people are telling me that my offer isn't anything new or special and that they could make a ton more doing something else. When I first started with this I wasn't in a position where I could afford paying people to call, plus I thought they would be much interested in an offer like this.

        Anyway, your post was very helpful, but do you know where I could find good quality sales people for rates like that? Where did you find those outbounders?

        Once again, thanks.
        I wouldn't market your offer on commission either - nothing against the offer, I think the price is more than reasonable (when I was running a webdev firm we didn't even do simple Wordpress sites for less than $4k so $3k for a functional mobile site is an easy sell). The problem isn't the offer... It's the assumption of risk in selling a service that's a deal killer.

        I would be risking my time, with no pay and no guarantee, based not just on my ability to sell but also your ability to deliver and bill that customer in a timely manner so I can get paid. That's why very few straight commission sales people will touch any kind of services - there is always a base + commission. The base covers the cost of my time and puts the risk back on you, so if your product is junk and nobody wants it, or they do want it but aren't happy with it after they get it and reverse the transaction, I am not the one taking that risk. The fact that you aren't willing to pay me a salary tells me either you aren't confident enough that your product will sell, or you're broke and can't afford even the smallest of base salaries - those are deal breakers.

        Keep in mind I don't mean "you" specifically here or mean any insult, I'm just giving an example if the thought process sales people go through. That's what they're thinking. Remember, sales people who know they can sell anything have their pick of the litter and make money with it. So what incentive is there to pick your product, when they could pick any other product with the same commission but also a base salary?

        As a small business owner, presentation is everything. You gotta show your employees that you're stable and confident in your product to the point that you will assume the risk instead of putting it on them. And when you do, you're the one who keeps the profits.

        Cold calling is nothing but a numbers game. Start dialing and you'll start making sales, the model still works. But you need to be the one assuming that risk, not your employee.
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        • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          I wouldn't market your offer on commission either - nothing against the offer, I think the price is more than reasonable (when I was running a webdev firm we didn't even do simple Wordpress sites for less than $4k so $3k for a functional mobile site is an easy sell). The problem isn't the offer... It's the assumption of risk in selling a service that's a deal killer.

          I would be risking my time, with no pay and no guarantee, based not just on my ability to sell but also your ability to deliver and bill that customer in a timely manner so I can get paid. That's why very few straight commission sales people will touch any kind of services - there is always a base + commission. The base covers the cost of my time and puts the risk back on you, so if your product is junk and nobody wants it, or they do want it but aren't happy with it after they get it and reverse the transaction, I am not the one taking that risk. The fact that you aren't willing to pay me a salary tells me either you aren't confident enough that your product will sell, or you're broke and can't afford even the smallest of base salaries - those are deal breakers.

          Keep in mind I don't mean "you" specifically here or mean any insult, I'm just giving an example if the thought process sales people go through. That's what they're thinking. Remember, sales people who know they can sell anything have their pick of the litter and make money with it. So what incentive is there to pick your product, when they could pick any other product with the same commission but also a base salary?

          As a small business owner, presentation is everything. You gotta show your employees that you're stable and confident in your product to the point that you will assume the risk instead of putting it on them. And when you do, you're the one who keeps the profits.

          Cold calling is nothing but a numbers game. Start dialing and you'll start making sales, the model still works. But you need to be the one assuming that risk, not your employee.


          You are right to some point, like I said, when I started this I wasn't in a position where I could afford hiring anyone to do cold-calling for me. This way I was sure I wouldn't lose anything if I hired someone, no matter how bad they were.

          So pretty much I didn't know where I could find good or even decent cold callers who would be willing to work hard and to be honest- I still don't. I was lucky to find a few good ones, but what I'm looking for now is a place/website where I can find a lot of them, without relying on luck.

          Nonetheless, great post.
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        • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
          I forgot to ask you, could you give me specific places where I could find good quality cold callers?



          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          I wouldn't market your offer on commission either - nothing against the offer, I think the price is more than reasonable (when I was running a webdev firm we didn't even do simple Wordpress sites for less than $4k so $3k for a functional mobile site is an easy sell). The problem isn't the offer... It's the assumption of risk in selling a service that's a deal killer.

          I would be risking my time, with no pay and no guarantee, based not just on my ability to sell but also your ability to deliver and bill that customer in a timely manner so I can get paid. That's why very few straight commission sales people will touch any kind of services - there is always a base + commission. The base covers the cost of my time and puts the risk back on you, so if your product is junk and nobody wants it, or they do want it but aren't happy with it after they get it and reverse the transaction, I am not the one taking that risk. The fact that you aren't willing to pay me a salary tells me either you aren't confident enough that your product will sell, or you're broke and can't afford even the smallest of base salaries - those are deal breakers.

          Keep in mind I don't mean "you" specifically here or mean any insult, I'm just giving an example if the thought process sales people go through. That's what they're thinking. Remember, sales people who know they can sell anything have their pick of the litter and make money with it. So what incentive is there to pick your product, when they could pick any other product with the same commission but also a base salary?

          As a small business owner, presentation is everything. You gotta show your employees that you're stable and confident in your product to the point that you will assume the risk instead of putting it on them. And when you do, you're the one who keeps the profits.

          Cold calling is nothing but a numbers game. Start dialing and you'll start making sales, the model still works. But you need to be the one assuming that risk, not your employee.
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          • Profile picture of the author ronrule
            Originally Posted by urosinho10 View Post

            I forgot to ask you, could you give me specific places where I could find good quality cold callers?
            I couldn't tell you where to start in Sweden. Here in the states I just posted on the usual local job sites for telemarketers.
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            • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
              Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

              I couldn't tell you where to start in Sweden. Here in the states I just posted on the usual local job sites for telemarketers.


              I know,to be honest I wasn't really even thinking about finding workers here in Sweden, since we only call to english speaking countries anyway, especially the US.

              I'm thinking more about finding people over the internet, possible from the US. I know there are places like Freelancer, Elance, Odesk etc, but I haven't had much luck finding good cold caller and sales people that have good english but also a reasonable hourly rate.

              You mentioned people working for 8-10 bucks an hour, but I keep finding people with 20+ bucks hourly rates. Most of the people below that rate aren't really that good.
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  • Profile picture of the author tints
    I'm a professional telemarketer of sorts in the financial sector. 240 manual dialed calls is a lot. I manually dial roughly 140-150 calls a day. Anything more your callers will get fatigued as you become a robot after awhile. A robot sounds great but it's really not, your rebuttals start slipping, your not as quick on your feet.
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    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
      Originally Posted by tints View Post

      I'm a professional telemarketer of sorts in the financial sector. 240 manual dialed calls is a lot. I manually dial roughly 140-150 calls a day. Anything more your callers will get fatigued as you become a robot after awhile. A robot sounds great but it's really not, your rebuttals start slipping, your not as quick on your feet.

      That's exactly what I thought, from what I've heard 100-200 calls a day is a good ammount, anything over that seems a lot, especially 400 calls a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
    Here's two reasons why this is isn't going to work:

    Scarcity attracts more scarcity. You don't have a lot of money, the people that will be attracted to your ads will be people who aren't used to making money either, you both lose and waste a lot of time.

    GOOD salespeople understand that prospecting takes more time to do than closing warm leads.. It's all to do with how many dials you need to make to get a sale. I don't think I need to explain how cold calling lengthens this process.

    It seems to me like you saw Jason's script, went with a whitelabel CMS to build mobile sites and now you want to throw salespeople at it. The universe won't let you get away with this. I have seen at least 10 threads in the past year asking the same questions.. then we never hear from them again. Ever. Where do you think all these people all disappear to?

    Do you honesty think it's that easy? You'll just conscript salesperson after salesperson into your little army and then you'll be on $36,000 a month?

    lol
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    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
      Originally Posted by Matthew North View Post

      Here's two reasons why this is isn't going to work:

      Scarcity attracts more scarcity. You don't have a lot of money, the people that will be attracted to your ads will be people who aren't used to making money either, you both lose and waste a lot of time.

      GOOD salespeople understand that prospecting takes more time to do than closing warm leads.. It's all to do with how many dials you need to make to get a sale. I don't think I need to explain how cold calling lengthens this process.

      It seems to me like you saw Jason's script, went with a whitelabel CMS to build mobile sites and now you want to throw salespeople at it. The universe won't let you get away with this. I have seen at least 10 threads in the past year asking the same questions.. then we never hear from them again. Ever. Where do you think all these people all disappear to?

      Do you honesty think it's that easy? You'll just conscript salesperson after salesperson into your little army and then you'll be on $36,000 a month?

      lol


      It seems to me as if you haven't read anything on either of my threads. Like I said, I don't lose that much at all if anything this way. If I paid them by an hourly rate, that would be a different story.

      So far things have been going great, contrary to many peoples(aswell as my own) doubts.

      If you have any sources where I could find cold-caller and sales people that I could pay hourly, by commission or both, feel free to let me know.

      Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author serryjw
        It seems to me as if you haven't read anything on either of my threads. Like I said, I don't lose that much at all if anything this way. If I paid them by an hourly rate, that would be a different story.
        I think you may have to change your mind set. Business is about how much you can make NOT how little you may lose.
        I don't have as much problem with straight commission as others. What people will get excited about is WHEN they get paid. Pay them 2-3X weekly and you may get a good hungry sales person.
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        • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
          Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

          I think you may have to change your mind set. Business is about how much you can make NOT how little you may lose.
          I don't have as much problem with straight commission as others. What people will get excited about is WHEN they get paid. Pay them 2-3X weekly and you may get a good hungry sales person.

          Absolutely, profit is the most important thing ofcourse, but I think you should still pay attention to how much you invest and in what things. That tip on when to pay them looks like a potential jackpot, I will certainly try it out.
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          • Profile picture of the author serryjw
            Have you tried Craigslist-Sweden. Here in US, there is so much crap on CL. A legitimate product, that is very in demand and pay 3X weekly sounds good to me. I do agree, $500 is the top anyone will pay for a mobile site.
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            • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
              Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

              Have you tried Craigslist-Sweden. Here in US, there is so much crap on CL. A legitimate product, that is very in demand and pay 3X weekly sounds good to me. I do agree, $500 is the top anyone will pay for a mobile site.

              I haven't even though about it, but maybe I'll try it out. Actually it's very easy to charge much more than that, if you know how to. Also, you both should check out this post that I found to be very true indeed:
              http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ml#post5367749
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              • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
                Unfortunately, so many products/services are not suitable to commission only and/or cold-calling.

                Your product and service needs to be right or you are screwed!

                Originally Posted by urosinho10 View Post

                I haven't even though about it, but maybe I'll try it out. Actually it's very easy to charge much more than that, if you know how to. Also, you both should check out this post that I found to be very true indeed:
                http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ml#post5367749
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                • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                  Originally Posted by ginnysclub1 View Post

                  Unfortunately, so many products/services are not suitable to commission only and/or cold-calling.

                  Your product and service needs to be right or you are screwed!

                  Well from my own and many others experience, this service is very suitable for cold-calling.
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              • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                I only partially agree IF you are selling middle/large companies...I totally disagree if you are selling the neighborhood mom & pop.
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                • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                  Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                  I only partially agree IF you are selling middle/large companies...I totally disagree if you are selling the neighborhood mom & pop.

                  We are selling them to business such as restaurants, bars, dentists etc. Basically local businesses, some smaller, some lager.
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                  • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                    I had much better business in Atlanta than now in Denver...I can tell by all the free magazines. The locals do not do SMS, QR codes or mobile anything...they don't even talk about social media. We are advanced on 420 but backward on marketing.
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                    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                      Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                      I had much better business in Atlanta than now in Denver...I can tell by all the free magazines. The locals do not do SMS, QR codes or mobile anything...they don't even talk about social media. We are advanced on 420 but backward on marketing.

                      Exactly, that means they would benefit greatly by using those untapped strategies.
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                      • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                        I am into making money NOT hiding my head against a wall. You thunk I am the only marketing rep to try and educate them on the benefits of mobile?
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                        • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                          Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                          I am into making money NOT hiding my head against a wall. You thunk I am the only marketing rep to try and educate them on the benefits of mobile?


                          Sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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                          • Profile picture of the author serryjw
                            My point in post #43 is there are many sales people that has tried to educate mom & pop to no avail. Sales people's job is to SELL not re-invent the wheel.
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                            • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                              Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

                              My point in post #43 is there are many sales people that has tried to educate mom & pop to no avail. Sales people's job is to SELL not re-invent the wheel.
                              Yes but to sell they have to present the value and benefits of the product, they do this by educating the prospect.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Matthew North
                                Originally Posted by urosinho10 View Post

                                Yes but to sell they have to present the value and benefits of the product, they do this by educating the prospect.
                                So they can go get the cheapest price from somewhere else.
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                                • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                                  Originally Posted by Matthew North View Post

                                  So they can go get the cheapest price from somewhere else.

                                  Ok then, when you do cold-calls, don't you try and show them the value of what you're trying to sell to them, ie educate them?
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                                  • Profile picture of the author mak25
                                    I'd love to know what "value" you give prospects to convince them that a 3 grand mobile site is going to drive in business for them.

                                    In my neck of the woods, ain't no way they'll pay 3 grand for a mobile site.

                                    Ever.

                                    Period.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
                                      Originally Posted by mak25 View Post

                                      I'd love to know what "value" you give prospects to convince them that a 3 grand mobile site is going to drive in business for them.

                                      In my neck of the woods, ain't no way they'll pay 3 grand for a mobile site.

                                      Ever.

                                      Period.


                                      I'll just refer you to this video:

                                      http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...uch-again.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Gylseth
    Have you tried salesjobs.com or gotsales.com? No particular endorsement on my end, but these are a couple of sites I have come across in the past that are targeted towards sales professionals. Other than that, a good place to advertise your position would be various LinkedIn groups that are for sales professionals.
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    • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
      Originally Posted by Chris Gylseth View Post

      Have you tried salesjobs.com or gotsales.com? No particular endorsement on my end, but these are a couple of sites I have come across in the past that are targeted towards sales professionals. Other than that, a good place to advertise your position would be various LinkedIn groups that are for sales professionals.

      I just checked them out and they look great, thanks a lot man!
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  • Profile picture of the author urosinho10
    Originally Posted by musumeci1 View Post

    Marketing firm in the US is seeking a firm that handles Social Media Marketing. Since cost is important an out of Country Company is probably preferred.

    Your company needs to work with setting up Social Media accounts like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, LinkedIn and Google Plus, not only the accounts but the business pages as well. You need to know how to set the page up to look like the website of the client.

    Once the accounts are set up you need experience in posting to each of the accounts and getting likes and followers to the social media accounts. You must have knowledge in understanding that the social media accounts must have keywords and links going to each other, the blog we create for the client, and the website.

    You must also have knowledge of setting up social media widgets within our blogs to interconnect everything for the client.

    Please send complete credentials and your website for me to view. If you can't prove your knowledge with jobs you have completed, please do not respond.

    We have an ongoing flow of social media work for the company we choose.
    Contact me at joe@jmmarketingconsultants.com.


    I'm sorry but this is very irrelevant to this particular discussion, if you don't have anything useful to post that is relevant to the context and the discussion, then please don't post anything at all.
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