Let's Talk Business Cards

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Let's talk business cards.

What does your business card say? Is it a normal business card with just your company name, your name, and contact info? Just a plain white back or do you have some kind of offer on the back?

I'm creating new business cards, and I decided on the front will have my blog name "Duke of Marketing" along with my name, Direct-Response Marketer, and contact info.

On the back, I have "Claim Your FREE Marketing Kit" along with a picture of the kit, the link to my website where they can get the kit, and the value of the kit below (along with letting the prospect know they have to pay shipping and handling... weed out the people who only want free stuff and never buy anything).

So, do you have any experience with using your business card as a marketing machine? Any suggestions?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Don't use 'em, never have since reading Dan Kennedy back in the mid 90s. Make them find you. The effort of doing so is a microcommitment and accelerates them along the road to buying from you.

    ...Of course, you need some skill and a reputation to make this work. If you don't have any marketing materials and don't know how to do anything competently, it ain't gonna work.

    If I did use them, I'd have a headline on one side positioning me as "The Only."

    Essentially, my website is my business card. I get a whole lot more mileage, interaction and information transferred that way.

    Anyone out there who hasn't seen Joel Bauer (he's ACTING in this, just FYI):


    "I build Crowds...Guaranteed! Whadyou do...Guaranteed?!"
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnRussell
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Don't use 'em, never have since reading Dan Kennedy back in the mid 90s. Make them find you. The effort of doing so is a microcommitment and accelerates them along the road to buying from you.
      Maybe you should have a blank signature too

      I think you also said you don't do business locally - that may make some difference for you as well?
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    • Profile picture of the author umc
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Don't use 'em, never have since reading Dan Kennedy back in the mid 90s. Make them find you. The effort of doing so is a microcommitment and accelerates them along the road to buying from you.
      Wouldn't looking for that business card that you gave to them be a microcommitment in and of itself? Chances are when they need it they won't have it right there waiting for them. What's the difference in looking you up online through a search engine or in the phone book or looking for that card that they remember someone giving them?

      In our mobile auto detailing business we used to give out extra business cards (and ours were nothing fancy back then) and we would get all kinds of calls off of them. People would see the clean car in the parking lot and ask about it and the cards got passed around. Over the years we've had good success in using them with each of our businesses.

      There are some cool ones out there made of various laser cut materials (plastic, wood, metal) that would really be attention getters. I've never used them, but there are some really neat designs.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRussell
    How do you give them your URL - just verbally? I would imagine a lot of people wouldn't remember how to spell Kanigan.

    I get what you mean though...somebody who jumps through hoops to get to you is a motivated prospect.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by JohnRussell View Post

      How do you give them your URL - just verbally? I would imagine a lot of people wouldn't remember how to spell Kanigan.

      I get what you mean though...somebody who jumps through hoops to get to you is a motivated prospect.
      Would you have trouble finding me if you had to?

      I don't do a handshake and here's my card/url. There's a conversation before I give that out. You have to be qualified. See?

      If I were running a commodity-type business, it might be different. But I actually want to make it a little difficult for people to become my client.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnRussell
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Would you have trouble finding me if you had to?

        I don't do a handshake and here's my card/url. There's a conversation before I give that out. You have to be qualified. See?

        If I were running a commodity-type business, it might be different. But I actually want to make it a little difficult for people to become my client.
        I do see. I don't work locally at all (any more) so was just curious.

        I don't like having to have business cards or real clothes.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          I remember the make them find you craze back then.. didn't make as much sense then as it might now. It really depends on your business. I can give you a personal example of a business that they are just short of required. I sell internet service to folks that don't have it. So I cant just say hey look me up at xyz.com - that would be kind of silly.

          As much as the Video you presented is funny, it actually speaks volumes of truth. If you are going to have a business card - Make it a BUSINESS card. A business card is the offline version of a mini landing page, and should be treated as such. 1 card, 1 message 1 course of action.

          To be honest my primary business is multi faceted. I do Large Format Printing, Vinyl cutting, web design, lighted sign design and construction, and Satellite Internet Sales and service. I have cards for each specific area of my business. Again 1 card 1 message 1 course of action. A card that's says hey I do this this and that call me is not as effective as "I build Crowds... Guaranteed"

          My Satellite internet Cards, say "Installed in 48 Hours... Guaranteed!" but they don't have embossing, and they aren't to big to put in a rolodex, and they don't have a pop-up ( But after seeing that, that might change! ) They are however 2 fold, full color with foil!

          So do you "NEED" cards? well not always... does it ever hurt to have them? I don't think it ever will!
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          • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            My Satellite internet Cards, say "Installed in 48 Hours... Guaranteed!" but they don't have embossing, and they aren't to big to put in a rolodex, and they don't have a pop-up ( But after seeing that, that might change! ) They are however 2 fold, full color with foil!
            I'm with you on the pop-up!
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      • Profile picture of the author BizQ
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        Would you have trouble finding me if you had to?

        I don't do a handshake and here's my card/url. There's a conversation before I give that out. You have to be qualified. See?

        If I were running a commodity-type business, it might be different. But I actually want to make it a little difficult for people to become my client.
        Don't try this at home kids or you might find yourself very disappointed. Unless of course you have the name and/or brand to back it up.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by BizQ View Post

          Don't try this at home kids or you might find yourself very disappointed. Unless of course you have the name and/or brand to back it up.
          Interesting. How DID I get clients back in 2001 when I ran my first copywriting business? Without a brand or a "name"?

          Oh right, it was by talking to people!

          No business card required.

          Or sales training, for that matter.

          I did have a single fold (like a 1-page book) 11x17 brochure printed on thick, wax-coated paper, though. Black and white, no pictures, big headlines, lots of text. Kind of like those Ogilvy things Kern is on about at the moment, come to think of it.

          But that isn't necessary, either. Talking to people is.
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          • Profile picture of the author BizQ
            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            Interesting. How DID I get clients back in 2001 when I ran my first copywriting business? Without a brand or a "name"?

            Oh right, it was by talking to people!

            No business card required.

            Or sales training, for that matter.

            I did have a single fold (like a 1-page book) 11x17 brochure printed on thick, wax-coated paper, though. Black and white, no pictures, big headlines, lots of text. Kind of like those Ogilvy things Kern is on about at the moment, come to think of it.

            But that isn't necessary, either. Talking to people is.
            My post had nothing to do with you and your business. My post was for others who I could see copying that attitude of "I want to be hard to reach" and coming up fruitless. Good that you can back that up, many on this forum won't be able to so let's not put the cart before the horse.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
              Originally Posted by BizQ View Post

              My post had nothing to do with you and your business. My post was for others who I could see copying that attitude of "I want to be hard to reach" and coming up fruitless. Good that you can back that up, many on this forum won't be able to so let's not put the cart before the horse.
              It's not about being hard to reach so much as not being willing to leap into bed with anyone who comes along.

              The quality of the questions you ask your prospects will determine how easy the sale is for you.
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              • Profile picture of the author BizQ
                Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

                It's not about being hard to reach so much as not being willing to leap into bed with anyone who comes along.

                The quality of the questions you ask your prospects will determine how easy the sale is for you.
                Ok..that makes sense.


                I read your original post in an arrogant SOB tone so that is why I was warning people to accomplish something first before they try to play the big swinging game.


                But since you were saying something else....fair enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Jason, great video! Definitely makes you think differently about "the" business card.

    Yeah, I know Dan doesn't use business cards, and he doesn't have a cell phone or internet connection either (but, that's why he gets stuff done and is so successful, he doesn't get distracted by Flappy Bird).

    When you give prospects your URL, do they write it down or put it in their phone... Or just try to remember it?
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  • Profile picture of the author anpharmd09
    If you have a referral program in place you could also mention that on the back of your business card.

    Also, primocards has some really nice options for business cards, like silk, foil etc.

    I've used their 16pt stock before with their uv coating and they looked and felt awesome.




    Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

    Let's talk business cards.

    What does your business card say? Is it a normal business card with just your company name, your name, and contact info? Just a plain white back or do you have some kind of offer on the back?

    I'm creating new business cards, and I decided on the front will have my blog name "Duke of Marketing" along with my name, Direct-Response Marketer, and contact info.

    On the back, I have "Claim Your FREE Marketing Kit" along with a picture of the kit, the link to my website where they can get the kit, and the value of the kit below (along with letting the prospect know they have to pay shipping and handling... weed out the people who only want free stuff and never buy anything).

    So, do you have any experience with using your business card as a marketing machine? Any suggestions?
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    One of the things I had to overcome was posturing. I had the cards that said "CEO" or "President" or whatever - and it was crap. I was trying to make myself look important.

    As long as I kept up the "posture" I struggled.

    Business cards...I usually don't carry them. If I have one on me, I don't give them unless someone asks. Most people walk around in a very self-absorbed state. Offering your card is interrupting what they are trying to accomplish. They go home and just throw the cards away.

    On the other hand, when I have really engaged someone, really jumped into their world and learned about them, showed genuine interest and excitement for what they have accomplished, make a suggestion or two that they are excited about - I become something much, much more than another salesman with a business card. I become someone they trust. I become someone they want to talk to again.

    They ask for a business card, I pat my pockets and say "oh...I don't have any...got a piece of paper?" Then THEY find the paper. THEY find a pen. I tell them my info and THEY write it down.

    It isn't often in life that you find someone who really gives a damn about what you are doing; cares how you are struggling and congratulates you for what you have accomplished. I give that feeling to as many people as possible. Therefore, a business card doesn't matter.

    I would MUCH rather say "Here let me send you a text and then you have my number - text me if you want to talk again." Or: "Let me look at my calendar, want to have coffee?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      One of the things I had to overcome was posturing. I had the cards that said "CEO" or "President" or whatever - and it was crap. I was trying to make myself look important.

      As long as I kept up the "posture" I struggled.

      Business cards...I usually don't carry them. If I have one on me, I don't give them unless someone asks. Most people walk around in a very self-absorbed state. Offering your card is interrupting what they are trying to accomplish. They go home and just throw the cards away.

      On the other hand, when I have really engaged someone, really jumped into their world and learned about them, showed genuine interest and excitement for what they have accomplished, make a suggestion or two that they are excited about - I become something much, much more than another salesman with a business card. I become someone they trust. I become someone they want to talk to again.

      They ask for a business card, I pat my pockets and say "oh...I don't have any...got a piece of paper?" Then THEY find the paper. THEY find a pen. I tell them my info and THEY write it down.

      It isn't often in life that you find someone who really gives a damn about what you are doing; cares how you are struggling and congratulates you for what you have accomplished. I give that feeling to as many people as possible. Therefore, a business card doesn't matter.

      I would MUCH rather say "Here let me send you a text and then you have my number - text me if you want to talk again." Or: "Let me look at my calendar, want to have coffee?"
      Exactly what I was describing, only in better detail. Thanks Dan!
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

    I'm creating new business cards, and I decided on the front will have my blog name "Duke of Marketing" along with my name, Direct-Response Marketer, and contact info.

    On the back, I have "Claim Your FREE Marketing Kit" along with a picture of the kit, the link to my website where they can get the kit, and the value of the kit below (along with letting the prospect know they have to pay shipping and handling... weed out the people who only want free stuff and never buy anything).
    OK so, you go around giving out this free marketing kit - with a supposed "value" on the card. I'm just putting myself on the other side of it - I see you giving the kit away to everyone for free and I don't think it has any value at all.

    What if you had the kit for sale on your site, for the real price?

    Then when you are talking to someone and get inside their world a little you say "You know, I sell a marketing kit on my site that I think you can use. It's normally $149 but I think you could really benefit so if you want, I'll mail to you...if you want it?"

    If they say yes then offer them a coupon code...make them write it down. Don't give it to them on a card. "If you just cover the shipping, I'll mail it out to you right away."

    For me at least, the value seems more real this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    I have a number of business cards. One for my farm , one for my writing services and another mommy one that I give to parents as needed. I also make book blurb business cards as needed to promote my books.

    I think men can get away with not having a business card. For me , it's easier for me to say what I do with a business card to give as I say it. I'm shy that way I guess.

    OP.. I can show you my card designs if you'd like some ideas... just PM me.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    I love the "let me text you so you have my number" idea, Dan! That's a good way to get their phone number too.

    So, what I'm getting out of this, not having a business card, is if someone wants to do business with you they'll do the work to get your contact info or find you online. Which, makes them have a commitment and breaks down the sales barrier.

    And, you guys are right... when I get business cards usually they're in the trash as soon as I get home, unless, of course, it's someone who peaked my interest.

    Also, Dan, thanks for the feedback about the free marketing kit. It is an affiliate program, so I can't sell it on my site for full price (wish I could!). I've been doing pretty well with it online, I just figured I'd try to attract local businesses to sign up. Though, this has me thinking I should create my own marketing kit... :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
      Funny I use a business card very similar to the one Joel advocated in the video above. And for the very same reasons. It *gets* attention, makes you stand out & builds curiosity.

      I actually have many ideas and designs for such cards (for maximizing callbacks and clicks to your urls.. etc.), but didn't get time to test all of them.

      What I know for sure is that I'd never go with a traditional business card.

      EDIT: I also don't just give them away randomly to whomever I meet.

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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    I agree. It doesn't have to be the #1 turning point on your entire business. It doesn't hurt to have them, but it won't hurt either if you don't have them either.

    In the end, if you use it wisely and give it to prospects who fit into your business as opposed to someone completely random who clearly doesn't qualify as a client, then it may not be the best time to give out a valuable business card that could have gone to a possible client.

    If you don't have the money to buy them, then don't get them. You could still be a successful offline marketer without them.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    My opinion, is, it depends.

    At one point I had 10 different cards (also had an in with a printer).

    Each one had a different PURPOSE. So, start there. Is the purpose more business? New customers?

    Probably most of the time, yea.

    I like rewards and reasons to keep my card. On the range, I'd give a card that gave a discount to a new student and a FREE lesson to the guy who gave out the card. The lifetime value of a new golf student was several hundred dollars, so the current student got his free lesson, and his friend got a discount lesson.

    But, I would hand write that an initial it on the back, so they had to hold on to it for it to be of value.

    If I were sitting in the marketing director's office and he asked for a card for his Rolodex, sitting right there on the desk, I'd have one handy, and it was for a specific area. Research, promotion or product development. I specialized as per the need or opportunity.

    Some tradesman give out cards with referral discounts, or some give out cash back coupons that take the place of a biz card.

    So it depends on how you plan to use it, what you want it to do and who you are going to give it to. Passing out cards, just to pass them out, seldom works.

    But, today, the text does replace the Rolodex in many offices.

    They can be an effective tool, or they can just be a piece of paper, it's up to how you use them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
    To Jason's point - no one needs a "name" or "brand" to get plenty of business.

    A good referral system, will literally bury you in business. I used no business cards, no outbound
    calling or contact system for that matter. An exclusive referral system provided more leads than I could handle, which meant that I only took the cream and kicked the rest to the curb.

    Anyone can do this. So when someone says you need a "name" or "brand", it's simply not true.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    Business cards should be thought of as that first step to growing the business....

    But trying to gain referrals is where you could really make a lot of money...

    Once you got that client in, you need to give them value and let them know that anybody they know who needs help can come to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    You all rock!!

    This is definitely an eye opener to business cards. I see both sides of the story.

    You don't need business cards to get business... Heck, if someone asks for a business card and you don't have one and they are insulted, I guess that's not the type of person you'd want to work with. Plus, make them work for your contact info if they want it, because it gets a micro-commitment.

    But, if you're going to have business cards, you need to have the best of the best and something totally different than the "crap" Joel Bauer talks about (Kind of need one like Joel's business card with a pop-up, and maybe made of gold)! ha
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      I actually had some cards at 1 time that were made of Aluminum. The back said:

      This card is 100% Recyclable
      The Information On he Other Side is NOT
      I need to get some more of those!

      Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleTA View Post

      You all rock!!

      This is definitely an eye opener to business cards. I see both sides of the story.

      You don't need business cards to get business... Heck, if someone asks for a business card and you don't have one and they are insulted, I guess that's not the type of person you'd want to work with. Plus, make them work for your contact info if they want it, because it gets a micro-commitment.

      But, if you're going to have business cards, you need to have the best of the best and something totally different than the "crap" Joel Bauer talks about (Kind of need one like Joel's business card with a pop-up, and maybe made of gold)! ha
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Aluminum sounds pretty neat.

    Meat Cards?! What will they think of next. Ha

    Here's a video I found of the meat business cards being printed... lasered... Whatever you want to call it:

    http://vt.tumblr.com/tumblr_mxjyi4IR8d1snyljc.mp4#_=_
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    • Profile picture of the author Spider97
      Being in the print biz for over twenty plus years I've seen the rise and fall of the business card. Now that I'm in more of a consultants role, I tell my customers still use the business card but be creative with it. Put it to work for you.

      I had a pizza shop I was working with doing a lot of direct mail marketing. He had the standard boring business card just printed on the front. I recreated the card with strong copy on the front and a coupon on the back. Made it look just like his coupons that he advertises with. We called it a mobile coupon. He handed it out with all his orders. It worked well, and he had a good response. He went from ordering business cards once in a while to ordering every month.

      This seems very simple, and it really was. But my customers mindset was that the business card can only be used like he was using it. I told him. Its a 2 x 3.5 piece of card stock, what we do with it to get you more business is the goal we just have to think outside the box. I mentioned to him there is a lot more ways to use business cards then your name address and phone number.

      New to the Warrior Forum. Enjoy offline marketing and creating new and exciting ways to get more customers for my clients.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
        Hey Spidey,

        Wanna double or triple the biz card orders you get from the pizza guy?

        Here's something I have done and taught others to do.

        Take some of the pizza guy's cards with the offer and put them on the counter
        of local businesses with good foot traffic, like auto repair, quick oil change
        service stations (that don't sell pizza), beauty salons, hotels/motels, etc.

        The pizza guy can continue to hand out his own card to customers but he'll need
        to order additional cards for the other businesses that are now making his card
        available to their customers.

        Now, you can stop there but here's what I did.

        Make up a card for the pizza guy to hand out with his info and offer on the front
        and offers on the back from the other local businesses that are passing out the
        pizza guy's card.

        I charged and got $200-$250 per ad space, on 5,000 cards. I could fit 8-10 businesses
        on the back of the card, depending on ad size and these are easy sales because the advertisers have already participated in the initial program.


        Special thanks to Don Alm, who gave me the basics for this idea, many years ago.
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        • Profile picture of the author Spider97
          Good stuff Ron.

          Always nice to scale an idea to another level that's working. And business helping each other is a win win situation. Since were working with a 2 x 3.5 size. You say you get 8-10 advertisers on the back. Do you just give out a one line offer to the advertiser's without their logo. Or something like the example below.

          Ridgview Auto Center
          25 Ridgeview Ave
          10% Off Oil Change
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          • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
            That's it.

            I find for most small businesses, their logos use additional space, but
            don't create additional sales.

            And, it's easier to track an offer with a specific price, rather than
            something like 10% off.

            The problem is, many business owner won't enforce the tracking.

            I show them a simple tracking method. Take the card from the
            customer, when they come in to take advantage of the savings.
            (they have to show the card to get the discount) Punch a hole in
            your ad space with a hand held hole punch. Put the punched card
            in a specific place or container, so we can keep track of how many
            you're receiving.

            Next, give the customer 2 or 3 new cards that they can share with
            a family member, neighbor or friend.

            I tell business owners "never let someone leave your business without
            a reason to return."

            Some get it, some don't. For the ones that do, you can work more profitable
            programs with them down the road.

            It's a way of "qualifying" the motivated and mold-able, from the unmotivated
            and stuck. The latter group tends to go out of business.


            Added: When I do a program like this, I print up a total of 10,000 cards: 5,000
            for the pizza guy to pass out and 5,000 to be distributed by the advertisers and
            others. It doesn't cost much more to print 10,000 cards.

            If there are 10 advertisers in the program, I might set aside 2,500 cards for
            them to pass out over the course of 30 days or so.

            I would take the rest of the cards and go meet business owners/managers of other
            local businesses. I'm going to ask for their permission, to set a few of these cards
            on their counter.

            Here's what I want to accomplish.

            1. Introduce myself and what I'm doing.
            2. Talk to them under non-salesy conditions.
            3. Have them say "yes" to participating in my program, where I'm leaving
            my cards for their customers. Not perceived as a sale, but it is a small one.
            4. Get their card. Turn them into a future prospect.

            I distribute the pizza guy's cards, with the ads on the back, all over town. I put
            them in waiting rooms, banks/credit union lobbies and real estate offices. Any place
            that has foot traffic and does not conflict with the pizza guy or the advertisers.

            There are ways to scale this up but that should be enough to get you going.
            I had a card that produced $5,000, in profits every time I put one together.
            It was highly niched but very duplicable.

            Added later: I've retyped this thing a couple of times. The grandkids visited today and
            there is no focusing on anything else, when they're around but I love them dearly.
            Let me know if something doesn't make sense and I'll address it. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    I was just reading through here again and realized I may have sounded like I think business cards are a waste. I don't.

    Certain types of businesses definitely need them, like Ron is talking about. Great ideas.

    Everyone should probably use them. Only independant types can probably get away with what I described above. A local small business - definitely should have them.
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