My offline marketing adventure and why I am no longer doing it!

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- My adventure into CPA marketing starts around June of 2014 -

Throughout the month of June I applied to the following CPA networks:
- Rocket Profit ........... (Denied)
- Max Bounty ............. (Denied)
- Link Share ............... (No response)
- Share a Sale ............. (No response)
- Search Cactus ........... (No response)
- Market Leverage ..... (Denied)
- Ad Fish .................... (Denied)
- PeerFly .................... (Denied)
- AdscendMedia ......... (Accepted)
I applied to about 3-5 other CPA networks (not listed).

On June 30th I was accepted into the AdscendMedia CPA network. (Hurray I broke through!)

The day I was accepted into the AdscendMedia CPA network I found an offer to promote and I ordered 5,000 flyers 'Business cards', (5,000 flyers may sound like a lot, but it's really not...). It cost me under $100 shipped, from Vista Print.

I conducted geographical/demographical research through the US Census Bureau's website, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and my common sense to determine that the area was largely middle class college students. There is a university less than 2 miles away from where I distributed the flyers.

I wrote custom copy and created a URL relevant to the offer and utilized URL forwarding to forward traffic to the offers landing page.

On July 10th 2014 the 5,000 flyers arrived in the mail. Later the next morning at 12:30am I drove out to the location where I was going to distribute my flyers. I had a backpack with 1,250 flyers and a couple bottles of water.

- Fast forward 3 hours -
Around the time I had distributed 750 flyers I was stopped by an off duty police officer. The police officer told me that he had been watching me walk in and out between cars and he viewed my activates as suspicious/criminal. He presumed that I was looking for a car to steal, (the officer thought I was looking for an unlocked door handle). We spoke for about five minutes. The conversation started out hostile and by the end of it we were 'best of friends'. The officer allowed me to carry on with distributing the flyers.

Some of the data I gathered while I was out...
- It took me three hours to distribute 860 flyers. (Approximately three minutes per car). Three minutes per car... WTF!
- Of the 860 flyers distributed I got six leads.
- When you distribute flyers of cars, you have two main options... Either place the flyer under the windshield wiper or on the driver side door.
- Sure it only takes 10-15 seconds to 'Tag' a car with a flyer and walk to the next one, but there is a lot more unplanned walking that goes into it that eats up the time.
- If you are stopped by the police they might (in my case) take your driver's license information and consider you a suspect if any criminal activity is reported in the following days.

This leads me to the present day...
For the past week I have been exploring/learning PPC. I am currently running two campaigns with 7Search. One of my campaigns is promoting a ClickBank Product and the other is promoting a CPA offer for a social networking site.

On 8/2/2014 I saw my first profit of $8 from the CPA offer I promote. (Very cool stuff!)

I spent $18.25 to recognize the $8.

So far I can say that my experience with 7Search has been great! But, I am currently branching out to Bing for PPC. (I have created an ad campaign with Bing, but have not activated it yet. My accounts funded and ready to go, I'm still doing research on their demographic/my offers keywords...).

To bring this post to a close...
I highly recommend offline marketing if you can engage with the people who receive your flyers. Don't place them on cars. Let's do the math; I distributed 860 flyers (ie. 860 impressions, with a 'click through rate, CTR' of 6). Since I started running two campaigns on 7Search (one week ago) I have received 66,185 impressions and 389 clicks. I recommend If you don't want to engage with people by handing out flyers, learn PPC. I am still learning, but I can attest to you that PPC is WAY better than putting flyers on cars at 2am.


Thanks for taking the time to read. Please share your online 'PPC' or offline 'Flyer' success / failure experiences.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    I really hate to burst your bubble here... first of all if you do the math.. you will see your after hours car tagging provided better results. not much better, but better none the less.

    2nd if I did any kind of online advertising and got .005% success.. well lets just say that I first would be looking at what I am doing.. I would make sure I am targeting correctly. Make sure that my CTA is effective etc etc. either way right now I would be looking on how to improve my results.

    For the record your offline efforts pulled a whopping .006%

    Originally Posted by blast32 View Post

    - My adventure into CPA marketing starts around June of 2014 -

    Throughout the month of June I applied to the following CPA networks:
    - Rocket Profit ........... (Denied)
    - Max Bounty ............. (Denied)
    - Link Share ............... (No response)
    - Share a Sale ............. (No response)
    - Search Cactus ........... (No response)
    - Market Leverage ..... (Denied)
    - Ad Fish .................... (Denied)
    - PeerFly .................... (Denied)
    - AdscendMedia ......... (Accepted)
    I applied to about 3-5 other CPA networks (not listed).

    On June 30th I was accepted into the AdscendMedia CPA network. (Hurray I broke through!)

    The day I was accepted into the AdscendMedia CPA network I found an offer to promote and I ordered 5,000 flyers 'Business cards', (5,000 flyers may sound like a lot, but it's really not...). It cost me under $100 shipped, from Vista Print.

    I conducted geographical/demographical research through the US Census Bureau's website, Bureau of Labor Statistics, and my common sense to determine that the area was largely middle class college students. There is a university less than 2 miles away from where I distributed the flyers.

    I wrote custom copy and created a URL relevant to the offer and utilized URL forwarding to forward traffic to the offers landing page.

    On July 10th 2014 the 5,000 flyers arrived in the mail. Later the next morning at 12:30am I drove out to the location where I was going to distribute my flyers. I had a backpack with 1,250 flyers and a couple bottles of water.

    - Fast forward 3 hours -
    Around the time I had distributed 750 flyers I was stopped by an off duty police officer. The police officer told me that he had been watching me walk in and out between cars and he viewed my activates as suspicious/criminal. He presumed that I was looking for a car to steal, (the officer thought I was looking for an unlocked door handle). We spoke for about five minutes. The conversation started out hostile and by the end of it we were 'best of friends'. The officer allowed me to carry on with distributing the flyers.

    Some of the data I gathered while I was out...
    - It took me three hours to distribute 860 flyers. (Approximately three minutes per car). Three minutes per car... WTF!
    - Of the 860 flyers distributed I got six leads.
    - When you distribute flyers of cars, you have two main options... Either place the flyer under the windshield wiper or on the driver side door.
    - Sure it only takes 10-15 seconds to 'Tag' a car with a flyer and walk to the next one, but there is a lot more unplanned walking that goes into it that eats up the time.
    - If you are stopped by the police they might (in my case) take your driver's license information and consider you a suspect if any criminal activity is reported in the following days.

    This leads me to the present day...
    For the past week I have been exploring/learning PPC. I am currently running two campaigns with 7Search. One of my campaigns is promoting a ClickBank Product and the other is promoting a CPA offer for a social networking site.

    On 8/2/2014 I saw my first profit of $8 from the CPA offer I promote. (Very cool stuff!)

    I spent $18.25 to recognize the $8.

    So far I can say that my experience with 7Search has been great! But, I am currently branching out to Bing for PPC. (I have created an ad campaign with Bing, but have not activated it yet. My accounts funded and ready to go, I'm still doing research on their demographic/my offers keywords...).

    To bring this post to a close...
    I highly recommend offline marketing if you can engage with the people who receive your flyers. Don't place them on cars. Let's do the math; I distributed 860 flyers (ie. 860 impressions, with a 'click through rate, CTR' of 6). Since I started running two campaigns on 7Search (one week ago) I have received 66,185 impressions and 389 clicks. I recommend If you don't want to engage with people by handing out flyers, learn PPC. I am still learning, but I can attest to you that PPC is WAY better than putting flyers on cars at 2am.


    Thanks for taking the time to read. Please share your online 'PPC' or offline 'Flyer' success / failure experiences.
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    • Profile picture of the author blast32
      Thank you for your feedback 'savidge4'.

      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      I really hate to burst your bubble here... first of all if you do the math.. you will see your after hours car tagging provided better results. not much better, but better none the less.

      For the record your offline efforts pulled a whopping .006%
      If I (personally) compare my offline to online data...

      Online:
      - I'm not going to get shot, stabbed, beat up, or whatever... (because i'm not on the streets around 2am).
      - After I distributed about 200 flyers I started to get tunnel vision and board. (Putting flyers on cars is not how I want to spend my time. But hey, that's just me, its not for everyone.)
      - Instant results... (If I want results faster, I have to pay a little more 'ie. 0.08 - 0.12+ cents per click').

      Offline:
      - VERY time consuming process. (Takes a while to get data, plus I "technically" dont know if my clients received my flyer in the first place. The wind could have blown it away or someone else could have taken it off their car as some sort of public service).
      - Waiting for flyers to arrive in the mail can take a few days. (Of course with proper planning / scheduling this isn't a big deal).

      Online and Offline (Overlap)
      - Both take just about the same amount of time to research offers, demographic, wright copy, create a custom URL (if needed), etc...

      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      2nd if I did any kind of online advertising and got .005% success.. well lets just say that I first would be looking at what I am doing.. I would make sure I am targeting correctly. Make sure that my CTA is effective etc etc. either way right now I would be looking on how to improve my results.
      Of course, I am constantly tweaking/improving (what i believe to be improving) my ad copy and keywords. I tweak my online ads about 2-3 times per day depending on the results/data I see. -I should point out, it may have been this "tweaking" that lead me to getting the $8 I have received thus far...-

      I am curious... savidge4, what do you believe (or believe others to believe) is a good CTR when running a ad campaign 'optimized properly or not', (online and offline)?

      0.001%, 0.05%, 0.10% or More?



      Like I said...

      "I am still learning, but I can attest to you that PPC is WAY better than putting flyers on cars at 2am."
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      • Profile picture of the author mojo1
        First of all congrats on taking action on an idea and seeking to improve your current situation.

        Secondly, as you've dealt with print collateral to some degree during your latest marketing campaign,
        I would advise you to run, pun intended, towards any product Bob Ross offers on this forum
        and register for his forum.

        You will learn from some of the best printing experts namely, Bob and other members, while easily transferring your energy into projects with possibly greater returns.
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        • Profile picture of the author cborgrx
          Funny to see this post today as I just finished putting 500 business cards on cars at the local train station. The cards have a picture of a book that the person can download for FREE...in exchange for their email address of course. they get taken to my squeeze page. It took me exactly 1 hour to do 500 cars at a cost of .03 per card from Vista Print ( I bought 1000 for $30.00). Too soon to see if it was successful. Will post when I have results.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    For the record, I have been Full Time Offline Marketing Consultant since 2007
    I have NEVER made one cold call and never attempted any spamming of cars in parking lots.

    There has been success with VERY targeted Direct Mail but nothing compared to attending Local Networking Groups, Chamber Mixers and Networking Happy Hours (People relax more with a few cocktails in them)

    Then there is Local Search for generating leads. Google Adwords and Facebook Ads have been provided the best results.

    Hope this helps !!! Cheers !!!! Off to Taco Tuesday !!!
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    • Profile picture of the author cborgrx
      12 hour update......not one opt-in :-( Now I know people don't act as quickly about something as I do (I shoot first and then aim...lol), but certainly 500 commuters have seen the card when they went home yesterday evening? Back with another update.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        I know you expected more... but you are right in there with my percentage of contact with door hangers... about 0% I can go in and blanket an entire neighborhood with 500 door hangers. drive through the next day and see that they have all been removed and the # of calls, well... I will tell you I get the door hangers for free ( so I use them ) I get 1000 per month. They ALL get hung. and in 3 years and then some I have ever gotten 3 responses.

        That's 3 responses in like 40,000 door hangers. not something I would invest in I will tell you. Direct mailing on the other hand is a whole other ball game.

        You are probably better of walking the train station platform with the cards in hand and speaking to people for an hour a day. That way you are kind of pre qualifying as you go.

        OR you could rent a plane and dump the other 500 over downtown where ever you live at lunch time and you may actually get a better response because you made it rain!

        Originally Posted by cborgrx View Post

        12 hour update......not one opt-in :-( Now I know people don't act as quickly about something as I do (I shoot first and then aim...lol), but certainly 500 commuters have seen the card when they went home yesterday evening? Back with another update.
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    • Profile picture of the author blast32
      Thank you for your responses!

      Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur View Post

      For the record, I have been Full Time Offline Marketing Consultant since 2007
      I have NEVER made one cold call and never attempted any spamming of cars in parking lots.

      There has been success with VERY targeted Direct Mail but nothing compared to attending Local Networking Groups...
      I should be clear that I am not "bad mouthing" offline marketing. I personally had a interesting experience with it the "1 and only" (and last) night I went out. Congrats to those who have success with it.

      I have done research on direct mailing... It looks interesting... It requires a slightly larger upfront investment.


      cborgrx - keep the updates coming! I'm excited to hear your results!
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  • Profile picture of the author LucidWebMarketing
    Well, as some mentioned, the response rate was better with the flyers. However, the low number is not statistically significant. The next thousand flyers may get nothing just as they could get twice the response.

    The problem with this sort of marketing is that it is inefficient. Even if you discount your time to distribute the flyers, this form of marketing is "interrupt marketing", like advertising in newspapers or on radio and TV. You are reaching out to the masses and hoping some that see your message have an interest in your offer. It's a numbers game.

    PPC on the other other is laser-targeted, at least when it comes to search. You put your message in front of prospects at the very moment they are looking for you. Much more efficient.

    Based on your numbers, you appear to be using the content network, although you may have a mix of search in there, to use terms from Adwords and most other PPC search engines. Content is much like you distributing flyers: interrupt marketing and hoping the reader has an interest.

    You definitely should use the search network. As for the content network, it depends on what you are trying to achieve. There's also a right and better way to use both networks. As a PPC account manager, I have rarely seen advertisers do it the right way and it's costing them money. You are just starting out with PPC so chances are you are doing it wrong.

    I am not surprised by your 0.7% response rate from the flyers nor by your lower rate with PPC on content network. There are ways to improve this dramatically however.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Basically, you're trying to sell people, distributing your "get my stuff" literature freely to masses of all sorts of people regardless if your product/service is a match or not.

    I'd suggest you approach it doing something where you engage people instead, drawing them toward you because they're interested in whatever it is you're engaging them with, related to your offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    As I do appreciate that you really put a lot of work into this, but there is so much more that you can do, literally.

    Being an offline marketer doesn't have to be working offline. It just means that you're going to take a quick detour and do a little bit of other things outside of the Internet. You went about this technique ALL WRONG. Had the flyers been targeted, it would have worked better, but even now, while flyers are great, you just printed out flyers and posted them on cars, and to top it off, you invested $100 that you didn't even have to spend.

    Offline is easier and more profitable if you make it easier.
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