9x12 EDDM (Email only) or a Don Alm Strategy (Email only?)

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Hey all:

I am going to ask this question for two different reasons.

1. I have a VA who has been as good as gold for me, and currently has about 10 hours a week she can devote to working for me. We are in the process of negotiating an agreement with a friend's company that will keep her busy for those 10 hours, but that friend's company is dragging their feet, and not sure when they'll be ready to start the project that my VA and I will be working on.

2. Most of my time is tied into a business that is going fairly well, but it's a one man operation. I finally read the 4 Hour Work-Week 3 months ago and, after hearing a few other folks talk about it, have decided that I want to leverage the power of a VA to his/her maximum potential.

So, with that being said, I was on a 2 hour road trip this weekend and I was thinking about ways that I could use this VA

The first idea was centered around doing an Email only version of Bob Ross' system. I think that Bob talked about one lady, who was bedridden from home, was able to fill up an entire 9x12 using email only. If I could do that with EDDM, that could be a good project for my VA.

The second idea was an offshoot of one of Don Alm's ideas, and that was the Smart Card discount idea. In an idea that he shared, he talked about getting 10-20 businesses to offer a discount, and then selling those to employers at Christmas time. What I'd like to do is to get a school (or school district) to give us permission to use their name/logo/permission to raise funds on their behalf, and then after we get 10-20 businesses to give us permission to put their information on this card, contact the larger companies/HR departments in that area and get them to buy a card for each of their employees, of which I'd give 30% back to the school.

I've never done EDDM or 9x12 before, but I have done something similar to the second idea, where I contacted schools first, got their permission to do something, and then got local businesses to sponsor that.

What do you think would have more merit or more chance of success, particularly with email only?

Thanks for any ideas you may could shoot my way.

Jeremy
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
    Why limit yourself to just 2 ideas? Don posted about 10 of his successful business
    ideas here SOWPub Business Forum - SOWPub Small Business Forums

    You may want to combine a couple to add extra value for your advertisers.

    Best of Luck!

    Ron
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  • Profile picture of the author mojo1
    Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post


    The first idea was centered around doing an Email only version of Bob Ross' system. I think that Bob talked about one lady, who was bedridden from home, was able to fill up an entire 9x12 using email only. If I could do that with EDDM, that could be a good project for my VA.
    I know the person Bob interviewed and she didn't follow Bob's system using email. It was actually one of Amber Chisholm's products she used to model her email set up with. Per Amber, she does most of her prospecting via email first followed up with phone calls.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    I wonder if you could outsource the calling.................
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    I'm certainly biased but I think doing a run-of-the-mill 9x12 would be a good idea. 10 hours of your VA per week would be plenty of time to email prospect and help generate leads for you to close. Monica (the girl you and mojo mention) I believe did fill her entire first card up using email only as the first communication and I'm pretty sure she sold most of the spaces over email as well at first.

    Don't rely 100% on email though, it's much better to just weave it in with other prospecting methods so that if one isn't working another (or two) are. If you're not prepared to prospect outside of just email alone, you might want to shelf the 9x12 idea until you can devote some time to it properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    Bob:

    I was looking through some old files and found that I had made contact with an outsourcing agency in the Phillipines 2 years ago - and forgot about it. I talked to the Manager, and he doesn't have an accent, and speaks VERY well.

    Let me ask this - Is this conceivable:

    1. Hire my VA to "manage" the project - she's very sharp and has a MBA.
    2. Hire the Telemarketing group to do the calling according to the no-face-to-face script that was released on your site a while back.
    3. Have my VA handle any follow up email questions (or I can)
    4. Once orders have been placed (and payments have been made,) have my VA work with a graphics designer on each person's artwork/ad - once all have been approved, send me teh final proof
    5. Print and deliver
    6. Wash and repeat.

    I have read the 4 Hour Workweek, and have also been reading a lot about outsourcing lately - I am just wanting to be a good steward of the opportunities around.


    Jeremy
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    • Profile picture of the author bob ross
      Originally Posted by Jeremy James View Post

      Bob:

      I was looking through some old files and found that I had made contact with an outsourcing agency in the Phillipines 2 years ago - and forgot about it. I talked to the Manager, and he doesn't have an accent, and speaks VERY well.

      Let me ask this - Is this conceivable:

      1. Hire my VA to "manage" the project - she's very sharp and has a MBA.

      2. Hire the Telemarketing group to do the calling according to the no-face-to-face script that was released on your site a while back.
      3. Have my VA handle any follow up email questions (or I can)
      4. Once orders have been placed (and payments have been made,) have my VA work with a graphics designer on each person's artwork/ad - once all have been approved, send me teh final proof
      5. Print and deliver
      6. Wash and repeat.

      I have read the 4 Hour Workweek, and have also been reading a lot about outsourcing lately - I am just wanting to be a good steward of the opportunities around.


      Jeremy
      You're definitely on the right track to a good system for creating a passive income. This WILL work provided your scripts are working (leads are coming in) and your follow-up is systemized and working. The follow up is actually going to be your biggest problem to solve, but you won't realize it until you have the lead generation solved, so work on that foremost because with enough leads you can compensate for follow-up to a degree.

      Once it all clicks together, you have a money machine, I can guarantee you that.
      1. Organize your calling lists to be as efficent as possible. You want the callers only calling high probability prospects. If they're spending 70% of their time calling corporate chains and businesses that won't take to advertising on 9x12 you're just burning money.
      2. Use scripts that simply get the prospects interested enough to want more info and a follow-up. Don't waste time trying to sell them all over the phone and scaring 90% of them off. This also makes sure you can always use low-cost callers and won't require finding talented expensive phone salespeople.
      3. Train the good callers (if possible) on how to get through gatekeepers and reach high-budget prospects
      4. Create pdf's that give various amounts of information from very basic to very detailed, and use the appropriate collateral for your follow ups. Follow up AGGRESSIVELY, this is where your money will be made. You'll need a good solution for tracking follow up.

      And don't forget you'll need to get all your bookkeeping and recordkeeping in place too, this is a real business not a hobby.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy James
    Bob - I believe I can handle the recordkeeping.

    Do you have any products/scripts that I can essentially hand to a telemarketing team that can run with it? What about the "no face-to-face" closing sale that came on a while back.

    Sorry for the questions - I am trying to transition more from a me-do-it-once-and-get-paid income to a more passive, residual income that results from the efforts of others and not me. It's scary - but, I know it can be done.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Jeremy,

      Part of your post says:

      What I'd like to do is to get a school (or school district) to give us permission to use their name/logo/permission to raise funds on their behalf, and then after we get 10-20 businesses to give us permission to put their information on this card, contact the larger companies/HR departments in that area and get them to buy a card for each of their employees, of which I'd give 30% back to the school.

      Have you ever worked with school districts? I have and still do. Getting them to give you permission to use their school logo will be an effort in itself. In fact, they may refuse outright or more likely they will drag their feet for years.

      Not to hurt your feelings but you aren't the first guy to walk through the door with a "fund raising" idea. I see them all the time. In fact, in my local district, each school gets visited by up to 50 "fund raisers" a week.

      What sets you apart from the candy people? The calendar people? The XXXXXXX people?

      You also mention you'd give them 30%. How did you come up with that number? Do you know how much other fund raisers are giving to the district? Do you know if every school in the district is using that particular fund raiser? Do you know if the schools have their own autonomy to decide what, if any, fund raiser they will use?

      I have a fund raiser that will give them up to $5000 with no strings attached. Do you know how many schools said, sure, we'll do your program? 1.

      Now that could be I am a bad sales guy. Or, it could be the schools are desensitized to hearing about how much money they will get. Remember, they have a ton of people making big promises and delivering little or no results.

      Another point: Schools don't rely on fund raisers for their budgets. Fund raisers are the icing on the cake so they will have extra dollars. One administrator told me they are actually a pain in the ass. Imagine that, nobody looks at it from the other side or bothers to learn what the school people think. That my friend is worth its weight in gold should you use it.

      I am in no way defending or speaking for schools or saying your idea isn't worth a hoot. I'm sharing my experiences and hopefully have given you some food for thought.

      Good luck in your endeavor.
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      • Profile picture of the author jake244
        As for the school fundraiser approach (that is something I know quite a bit about).

        This school year 2014 - 2015 I will pull down $200K or More doing various Fundraisers with School, Churches, Sports Programs, Band Programs, Senior Class Trips, Etc, Etc.

        I won't reveal all the Fundraisers We do, but just to give you an idea some of our programs are vastly different than the average Fundraisers.

        For example: #EDIT# - I decided to edit this part - I should never give away top secret information like that on a marketing forum (what was I thinking)..

        We do Fundraising Magic Shows usually for schools and churches - where we bring in one of the top booked magicians in a certain state to perform a live stage illusion magic show fundraiser. these shows are very popular..

        In fact not long from now we will be releasing a Warrior Special Offer: Based on Our Magic Show Fundraisers.. It's called: The Six Figure Fundraising Magic Show Arbitrage Promotion Wealth Building System.. We may change the name of it though.

        I have quite a few clever tricks up my sleeve that I have developed over the years that helps get inside these places.

        In my honest opinion your approach would be better ran for a popular High School Football Program.. The athletic Director and coaches in some cases are easier to deal with.. They need money sometimes more than the school, because in some football programs fundraising is all the source of financing they have. While Schools have grants, and tax payer money to rely on - although in the districts I work in schools all are begging for money, because of funding cuts.

        Also Business will respond better when buying something to support their local High school Football Program than just the school in my opinion.

        And to top it off those businesses will be buying something they can give to their employees - while at the same time help the local football team..

        You will have to test them both and see but my guess is the football program one would be better received by the local business community.
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