What Things Would You Want to Learn about Prospecting?

by JKirby
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Hey fellow Warriors,

Long time buyer and lurker, very frequent poster/contributor. So, why am I here? I am in the process of creating a 5-6 hour video course about prospecting in general. The objectives of the course is to provide business owners insights into different prospecting methods as well as different ways they can approach their own prospecting methods. This course is not specifically designed for service based B2B clients, but for all prospecting methods.

I've bought tons and tons of products here on the WF in order to find a few good nuggets, and because I've found most of these 'no-fluff' guides contains pieces of the puzzle without a bit of actionable content, or just because it worked once using an 'easy system' that it can be turned into some push button system.

Prospecting is by nature difficult and by far the most daunting task of most new businesses. Without a clear concise prospecting plan, you won't be able to pitch anyone. Without some system to weed out the action-takers from the tire kickers, you'll never make your first sale.

I've just about finished up the outline and am currently making a 'workbook' as well as the slides for each section and before I think I'm finished, I would like to get more opinions about the topics.So I'm asking you all this: What would you like to see in a prospecting course? What questions would you like answered or what objectives would you like to see embedded in a course?

Any input is much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    "This course is not specifically designed for service based B2B clients, but for all prospecting methods."

    In my experience when you create a product for everybody it will appeal to nobody. For example I would NOT be interested in all prospecting methods. I would be interested in a prospecting method for example that works today on Facebook that gets cosmetic dentists more clients or ppc marketing that works today for getting a granite company more sales before the holidays etc....

    With the current question it is difficult to really say what I would like in this course because when I buy/read a course it is always for something very specific and not general.

    I could tell you that a general mistake that many companies make is prospecting with a pitch focused on price when they could make more money setting themselves up as the local experts but again that being succesful depends on niche and competition and the ability/reality of that provider.
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    • Profile picture of the author JKirby
      Great point. Here's the structure of what I have outlined so far. The course goes into the following prospecting methods:
      • Electronic Messaging
      • Cold Calling
      • Direct Mail
      • Social Media
      • Voice Broadcasting

      As most of the warriors here know, some of these prospecting activities would not be suitable for B2C. Some won't be suitable for B2B. Some would be better to use as supplementations for other marketing activities. For example, I mainly use Social Media for my clients I have as a re-marketing strategy, not as a direct sales piece.

      While I understand everyone wants a unique product for their business, what most products end up giving you is a half-assed bit-sized product with little to no information on it. That's why in most products there are upsells for coaching/consulting. To get specific insight to your business or specific action plans to better your business, you'll need specific knowledge of your business.

      There's the other problem with a lot of products. They aren't teaching you what prospecting is or how you do go about prospecting. They teach you a specific business model that has worked for them in their situation. They give you a 'blueprint' to run with so it's 'easy' or 'quick'. Prospecting, like any real business activity has to be modeled and changed numerous times in order to get the final product.

      I've read a lot of posts here about telemarketing or sales scripts. In my course for example, it won't spoon feed you a script, that in all courses people just change words and run with it, but it will teach you a specific way in structuring scripts to see better results. What are the components of a good sales script, etc.

      People still think a pushy sales script works for them all the time, and most often they are just pitching unqualified prospects that wouldn't buy from you even if you were selling them a money tree. I could probably design a cold-calling course with over 10 hours of content if I were to go deep enough. Even still, that course wouldn't be specific to any one-person's needs would it? That's why successful marketers or entrepreneurs buy products or training, to grab nuggets they can apply to their own businesses.

      If I were to create a course about B2B service prospecting and then a course of B2C service prospecting, a ton of the information would be repetitive. Why? The finesse in prospecting follows the same rules and tactics, regardless of what industry you're in.

      Just my thoughts at least.

      Originally Posted by plessard View Post

      "This course is not specifically designed for service based B2B clients, but for all prospecting methods."

      In my experience when you create a product for everybody it will appeal to nobody. For example I would NOT be interested in all prospecting methods. I would be interested in a prospecting method for example that works today on Facebook that gets cosmetic dentists more clients or ppc marketing that works today for getting a granite company more sales before the holidays etc....

      With the current question it is difficult to really say what I would like in this course because when I buy/read a course it is always for something very specific and not general.

      I could tell you that a general mistake that many companies make is prospecting with a pitch focused on price when they could make more money setting themselves up as the local experts but again that being succesful depends on niche and competition and the ability/reality of that provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    In your course, give some good information about pre-qualifying, how to put together a good list of pre-qualifying question. Lots of samples of pre-qualifying questions.

    This is a topic that isn't really ever covered in depth. You know, what to ask, how to screen out the people who aren't "your market". So you don't waste time with unqualified people.
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    • Profile picture of the author JKirby
      Originally Posted by digichik View Post

      In your course, give some good information about pre-qualifying, how to put together a good list of pre-qualifying question. Lots of samples of pre-qualifying questions.
      That's a very good point. I have covered qualifying questions in regards to calling, but the pre-qualification process is equally important. Pre-Qualification is actually a huge part in prospecting, not only on the phone but in every aspect of prospecting. Great addition, I'll definitely add that in.
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    • Profile picture of the author JKirby
      Originally Posted by blogsbringbucks View Post

      Good luck
      I appreciate it. Although most courses focus on selling and building a specific business model, most courses neglect prospecting altogether. This is the second stage of creating my video course: Industry Research.

      What better place to get ideas on what to include than an active section of either seasoned Offline Marketers tired of seeing crap and rehashed products thrown together and new offliners that are currently creating a system based off of pieces of the puzzle?
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by JKirby View Post

    Hey fellow Warriors,
    What would you like to see in a prospecting course? What questions would you like answered or what objectives would you like to see embedded in a course?

    Any input is much appreciated.
    What I do not want to see is a general course on prospecting. What I do want to see is the specific methods that you yourself have used, and the results you have achieved.

    If you are just compiling information, you're going to have a tough time making sales.

    Use examples from your own efforts. Exact language you used, real results.

    That's something I would pay money for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    Agree with Claude entirely.

    Collating a general bunch of prospecting methods will be helpful to you as the seller, assuming you make sales.


    But to a newcomer, it will just confuse them as they won't really know specific ways to use them, and won't be helpful.

    Not that you're going to be deterred now that you've found a topic or niche that's relatively untapped to exploit for profit.

    But you'd have a credible product if you actually did look into this topic more and actually put the prospecting methods into practise first.

    There's so many things you could do on Google Keyword Planner and Display planner about market selection and validation, market segmentation, competition analysis, target market research and analysis, but that's not necessary since the people you sell the guide to won't even know about that, so you can still make money from them by collating a few prospecting methods without ever having actually used them.
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    • Profile picture of the author JKirby
      First of all, great contributions from both of you. To clarify what I am doing, I am not just gathering information about prospecting methods (i.e. email marketing) tell them how to do it and show them how to profit from them.

      I am providing specific examples on what I've used in the past and the results from what I've done and used with clients I've gotten as well. Now there's two dilemmas that I see moving forward.

      If you get too specific, a 'prospecting' course would hit well over 50 hours of content, especially if you are going deep into the content I am currently working on. If it's too general, but there's a lot of information on each subject, advanced/intermediate marketers won't get anything out of it, where as newbies would be very much overwhelmed.

      Second dilemma, most WSOs or Products out right now don't teach like they do in educational facilities. They teach the "This is what I've done, if you do it exactly how I do it, it works." Then they said "Just keep doing it, you'll make it eventually". That's the same problem that if I say this is exactly what I do, and only teach the things I've specifically done, people just copy and paste or try to replicate it for their own business without taking into consideration the multiple variables that are in play.

      For example: Claude and I run successful marketing companies. We prospect differently because our own methodologies and the way we think work differently. Perhaps Claude is better on the phone, etc. We both have different skill sets that we have grown and have learned to use appropriately. What works for Claude may not work for me. It may work well for me.

      What my goal/intent with this product, is not to exploit a market that is untapped, but actually give the marketplace a proven decent source of information to tap into. I haven't begun recording, and the course may be far longer than what I initially anticipate, however, what I want is an actionable approach that real marketers, business owners and consultants can use and apply into their business models.

      So, for example, in the cold calling section, I go over principles and proven methods that I've used and have seen others use to write scripts and elaborate on them. I speak about tonality and how mirroring and matching works. I explain that (as far as prospecting goes) that maybe starting off, pitching everyone works. But to be effective, you have to ask the right questions to get them to qualify and get into their psyche and keep control over the conversation. I teach how to ask those qualifying questions and how to write scripts that let the caller keep control. I put in exact verbage I use over the phone as examples, but the goal is to teach the "How" and the "Why", not the "What"

      The ultimate goal is to teach a comprehensive prospecting course that will allow the student to formulate a prospecting system that works for their strengths and their product, not to essentially show them what works for me.

      I think it's on me to find a reasonable balance that will make the course complete and effective, without trying to sell a course with too much content.

      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      What I do not want to see is a general course on prospecting. What I do want to see is the specific methods that you yourself have used, and the results you have achieved.

      If you are just compiling information, you're going to have a tough time making sales.

      Use examples from your own efforts. Exact language you used, real results.

      That's something I would pay money for.
      Originally Posted by Underground View Post

      Agree with Claude entirely.

      Collating a general bunch of prospecting methods will be helpful to you as the seller, assuming you make sales.


      But to a newcomer, it will just confuse them as they won't really know specific ways to use them, and won't be helpful.

      Not that you're going to be deterred now that you've found a topic or niche that's relatively untapped to exploit for profit.

      But you'd have a credible product if you actually did look into this topic more and actually put the prospecting methods into practise first.

      There's so many things you could do on Google Keyword Planner and Display planner about market selection and validation, market segmentation, competition analysis, target market research and analysis, but that's not necessary since the people you sell the guide to won't even know about that, so you can still make money from them by collating a few prospecting methods without ever having actually used them.
      Edit: To make sure it's mentioned, the topics and prospecting information I am using is primarily based on my own experience and my knowledge of how the human mind works, both on n unconscious and a conscious level. I've not compiling any information that I myself have not used nor tested.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    Ok, you seem sincere.

    These are the basic requirements I believe a person needs to have to make sure they are making the best use of their prospecting time and are zeroing in with laser like precision on their ideal customers, and avoiding hitting on people they've got absolutely no chance of scoring with.

    1. They need to be able to find markets that have high-demand and are worth getting into, and where they can offer something most other businesses aren't, so they need to be taught how to spot the opportunities in a certain market and get a general idea of demand.

    2. They need to know all of the main market segments that comprise that market, and identify the best ones, and make sure their products and services offer real solutions to the major problems that target market face, and that these problems and issues are woven throughout any marketing materials, copy and sales approaches they create.

    3. They need to know how to find out and analyse their nearest competition and strengths and weaknesses. What their competitions main advertising strategies are, and where they are drawing leads from, and what form of marketings are bringing in the most leads and may indicate untapped areas where there aren't so many competitors, like youtube advertising.

    4. So they picked a market where there is demand and good opportunity, know the different segments and sub-categories that make up that market, know the problems their target market face and have created services, marketing and a sales process that addresses them, they need to know how to start building a list of those ideal prospects and what criteria identifies them.

    5. Then they need to know how to monitor that lists online activity, assess their current online marketing strategy, find out how much they are spending on marketing and advertising, to find relevant information and pre-call intelligence that more than doubles their response rate and prospecting effectiveness, that can be used in an effective sales process than can be insightful and helpful to them as well as being profitable. And then have a general approach that has been proven to work, and avoid poor approach methods that will get them shot down before they can even utter a sales proposition.


    All this can be done quickly, and for free, using tools available on the net. This may seem overkill to alot of people here, who would rather just impose themselves and force their services, brutally and crudely, on anyone running a business. But the end result is, you're selling something with known demand, to people with the exact problems your service or product addresses, and you are contacting them in a way that won't instantly shut the person down and want to end the conversation straight away, which happens in the majority of cases, when someone phones out of the blue trying to sell them some lame product they don't need, and have no compelling reason to make the other person listen in and hear you out.


    I'll probably post something about who to do all these things tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author JKirby
    Thanks Underground. Exactly the nuggets I need to add into my course. I have already covered getting the market, need and overall 'touch' of their market. I haven't covered much of the competition analysis portion of marketing however.

    Some of the stuff you've posted is exactly why I am making the guide. When I first started a marketing business, I tried white labeling SEO services to anyone with a heartbeat. I purchased guides and WSO in the beginning and followed them to the 'T'. These guides promised the world and sounded great on paper, but always left something out. These strategies won't work because you don't know your industry - because there wasn't one! years later, and through failure, my strategy and mindset has changed. Now, I am not a 'Business' or 'Marketing' Consultant, I am Niche-Specific Consultant. I have researched my niches I work with so much I could probably start a business. I know the basic problems owners have that has nothing to do with marketing or the online space. Knowing your market and actually finding a solution that truly fits there problem is key in this industry.

    When you are operating a business, regardless if it's product or service based, you should be able branch out into new markets and submarkets eventually. But when you are just starting out, you do need to pinpoint one and fine-tune your efforts into a system that can be replicated.

    Once again, I appreciate any input I get from this thread. I'll have to see about how large this course will be, but I want it designed in the way where you can walk away from your desk, and apply the knowledge into your business, and not just theorycraft how my methods won't work for your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    I get that your sincere in not wanting to produce crap but something of value. I also get that want to create a product that will make you money, and that is probably the strongest, dominant urge.

    And that your here looking for content ideas to fill your infoproduct first and foremost. The thing is, if you do provide ways to do those things I talked about, there are still an virtually limitless number of approaches depending on the outcome or your research and what you want to go into.

    You may find a massive, relatively unmet demand for email services in your local market with very little competition, and the best method could be something like joining mailing lists and looking for faults and then contacting them any number or ways to educate them on how there system can be improved.

    One top guy who sold a decent WSO, Trent Drysmid, used to have a google search string that found flash websites and approached them via email and phone and won a lot of business that way.

    Some prefer contacting business owners by phone. Some with email or a series of emails. Some through PPC, facebook ads, direct mail.

    So you're not going to be able to provide a really useful product as the scope is too big, but you'll be able to build an infoproduct that will sell. But please keep the copy realistic and don't BS people you've found the holy grail because you collected a few methods.

    However, if you can teach people how start businesses based on empirical evidence and smart research and good practises, and some of the better methods of approaching potential clients, then you'll still be doing a lot more than most WSO sellers.

    And please make sure you start by pointing out that selling basic junk services and not taking the effort to present yourself professionally on a par with your main competitors is a no-go and recipe for frustration.

    Marketing is actually a serious and well paid profession. Not a cash cow for half-assed morons to make easy money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      You don't need 50 hours. Pick the methods that you used in prospecting that can be adapted by just about everyone.

      When I wrote my book on prospecting, I could have written 1,000 pages. But nobody wants to read 1,000 pages. So I just included my prospecting methods that I knew were completely transferable to any industry. Then I changed the parts specific to a market, to make them a tad more universal. And you don't need an exhaustive exploration of every method.

      It takes a few decades to be great at selling. At least it did me. You can't include everything you know. Give a good overview of the steps, include actual scripts you used (or your clients used), on maybe the top 12 methods.

      I'm going to suggest you buy a few books on prospecting, to get a feel of what they cover.

      I know, your product is more than a book. But don't kid yourself, most good sales books contain more information than a typical 3 day marathon seminar.

      I now have my third sales book almost complete. I'm going to essentially take the three books, and edit them into 12 hours of methodology. I'll add a little more content, add a few more examples, but it's about the same thing as just reading my three books. That's about 12 hours. I'm also hiring an actor to play prospect when I show actual scripts.

      Anyway, it's going to sell for about a grand. I'm not selling it here. This isn't my niche. I'm mentioning it because you should be seeing what best selling books on prospecting are talking about. Books only sell for maybe ten bucks. But the difference between a $300 manual and a book? The binding. Also, read the reviews on Amazon. This will tell you what your customers actually like and don't like.

      Don't copy the content from the books. Just use them as a template to show you how to put this product together. You may also want to go on e-bay and buy a few old courses on sales prospecting. You know, 12 CDs, a few videos, a manual...it will give you formatting ideas. That's what I did when I decided to build my advertising package.
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      Originally Posted by Underground View Post

      Marketing is actually a serious and well paid profession. Not a cash cow for half-assed morons to make easy money.
      I think I just fell in love ....
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