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Hey Everyone! I'm pretty new here and was just curious if anyone had any suggestions for some great training resources(non-guru-ish) that really helped you when you were starting out with PPC. I want to learn more in depth about PPC campaigns, testing and scaling. Any sources are appreciated and glad to be here!
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi Augusthansen,

    Nobody has done better than Google AdWords at creating course material for learning PPC advertising. I would start here: https://support.google.com/adwords/topic/3374694
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    • Profile picture of the author Augusthansen
      Thanks, I'm going to check the link now. Much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    You can do many experiments yourself at Adwords, BingAds, FacebookAds, etc... for many products, many keywords, landing pages and ad texts until you find best CR (conversion rate) but... make sure that your budget is enough. Don't forget to build your own list through PPC.
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    • Profile picture of the author Augusthansen
      Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

      You can do many experiments yourself at Adwords, BingAds, FacebookAds, etc... for many products, many keywords, landing pages and ad texts until you find best CR (conversion rate) but... make sure that your budget is enough. Don't forget to build your own list through PPC.
      Thanks for the tip!
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  • Profile picture of the author svetod
    I'm not a coach or anything, more like a humble helper, so if you have any specific questions on how to start out with PPC, I could give you some tips and tricks. PM me if there's anything I can help you with.

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  • Profile picture of the author optimize
    I have felt that Google Adwords has good material but there opinion and advise is skewed towards always spending more bucks on the platform. Now, I am not saying thats a bad thing...I am just saying it could be a much better approach if money is spent on Adwords in an intelligent manner re if you are not getting five dollars out of every dollar you are placing in there is big trouble .

    I would check out the following resources,

    Adwords Forum - Training, Sharing & Excelling - PPCsavvy
    Perry Marshall's 80/20, Google AdWords & Facebook Ad Strategies - Mastermind Group is probably the best
    AdWords, PPC, and Internet Marketing Training for Your Business
    PPC Strategy & Pay Per Click Advertising News | PPC Hero®
    Search Marketing (SEM), Paid Search Advertising (PPC) & Search Engine Optimization (SEO) - SEW | SEW - PPC section.

    It is not about the cheap clicks, it is about profitability. A click can cost you 40 bucks but if 10 of those clicks = 400 usd bring you to close a business of 10k it is more than worth it.

    No magic formulas

    Thanks
    Jan
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    • Profile picture of the author Augusthansen
      Originally Posted by optimize View Post

      I have felt that Google Adwords has good material but there opinion and advise is skewed towards always spending more bucks on the platform. Now, I am not saying thats a bad thing...I am just saying it could be a much better approach if money is spent on Adwords in an intelligent manner re if you are not getting five dollars out of every dollar you are placing in there is big trouble .

      I would check out the following resources,

      Adwords Forum - Training, Sharing & Excelling - PPCsavvy
      Perry Marshall's 80/20, Google AdWords & Facebook Ad Strategies - Mastermind Group is probably the best
      AdWords, PPC, and Internet Marketing Training for Your Business
      PPC Strategy & Pay Per Click Advertising News | PPC Hero®
      Search Marketing (SEM), Paid Search Advertising (PPC) & Search Engine Optimization (SEO) - SEW | SEW - PPC section.

      It is not about the cheap clicks, it is about profitability. A click can cost you 40 bucks but if 10 of those clicks = 400 usd bring you to close a business of 10k it is more than worth it.

      No magic formulas

      Thanks
      Jan
      Jan, thanks so much for the tips and great resources! I will be reading up on some of it today. Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by optimize View Post

      I have felt that Google Adwords has good material but there opinion and advise is skewed towards always spending more bucks on the platform. Now, I am not saying thats a bad thing...I am just saying it could be a much better approach if money is spent on Adwords in an intelligent manner re if you are not getting five dollars out of every dollar you are placing in there is big trouble .
      Hi Jan,

      I think that could have been said about the material AdWords used to have on their website several years back, but not true today. Perhaps you should take a fresh look at the materials they have produced over the past year, I doubt you will feel that way about the immense value of their latest learning material.

      Over the past few years AdWords has done a remarkable job of developing accurate and useful resources and educational materials for learning PPC advertising, not from the perspective of a company that wants to trick advertisers into spending money wastefully, but simply the truest most essential information for the benefit of the advertiser.

      While it is true that some of the most advanced strategies for highly competitive marketing plans are not going to be found in their course material, you will certainly need to learn how to master the basics, and then the intermediate techniques before attempting the advanced techniques.The AdWords courses and training resources will get you most of the way there, and IMO should not be skipped.
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  • Profile picture of the author chentong
    Originally Posted by optimize View Post

    I have felt that Google Adwords has good material but there opinion and advise is skewed towards always spending more bucks on the platform. Now, I am not saying thats a bad thing...I am just saying it could be a much better approach if money is spent on Adwords in an intelligent manner re if you are not getting five dollars out of every dollar you are placing in there is big trouble .
    I actually think it is a really bad thing when their advice and courses are skewed toward spending more without proof of improvement of result. They are only become more subtle in their approach.

    The other thing about learning adwords is that their new features and new releases and oh so new innovations changed so too frequently. There is a constant need to learn new interfaces and new approaches, to modify web setup to adapt, etc. You can never learn to operate to maximize your efficiency into a 100% productivity mode for long. You probably spent 50% of your uptime to learn and to figure out their new releases and new approaches. To me it is absolutely wasteful. It is a waste of life.

    (For apple to orange comparison, at least Microsoft Office Suite has a 3 year cycle time for the next new upgrade. Adwords releases new thing...weekly?)
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by chentong View Post

      I actually think it is a really bad thing when their advice and courses are skewed toward spending more without proof of improvement of result. They are only become more subtle in their approach.
      Hi chentong,

      I totally disagree with the premise of your assertion. As someone that has been running an AdWords agency for the past 11 years I have to say that your premise, as implied, is totally baseless. I am usually the first person to point out bad advice coming from AdWords, or anyone else.

      Most of the best advice that I have seen disseminated on PPC advertising has come from a single source, AdWords Help Center. Those other course and materials are either incomplete, outdated, or just plain wrong. The AdWords course material is relevant and accurate and covers all the important fundamentals. Their Webinars and videos take you even deeper into best practices and techniques. It's up to you to choose how deep you want to go in PPC Marketing.

      One of the very first things they teach is how to control your budget and the proper procedures to find and stop wasting money on poor performing keywords and ads.

      I challenge you to find and show us examples of bad advice coming from their help center. I am not saying it doesn't exist, just that you would be hard pressed to find a single example.

      Originally Posted by chentong View Post

      The other thing about learning adwords is that their new features and new releases and oh so new innovations changed so too frequently. There is a constant need to learn new interfaces and new approaches, to modify web setup to adapt, etc. You can never learn to operate to maximize your efficiency into a 100% productivity mode for long. You probably spent 50% of your uptime to learn and to figure out their new releases and new approaches. To me it is absolutely wasteful. It is a waste of life.

      (For apple to orange comparison, at least Microsoft Office Suite has a 3 year cycle time for the next new upgrade. Adwords releases new thing...weekly?)
      I agree that AdWords has really stepped up the pace of innovation since the Enhanced Campaign upgrade. They promised their new platform would allow for faster improvements and innovations and they are actually delivering on that promise.

      The AdWords platform has now reached a level of sophistication that full time specialists are needed to compete. It has forced my agency away from the general AdWords specialist model of management, where a single highly trained PPC manager handles all aspects of a campaign, to a team management process.

      It now takes a team, where each member is trained and specializes in a subset of campaign management skills, to succeed at the highest level of competition in PPC Management. Following Adam Smith's principle of division of labor we are able to dramatically improve the effectiveness of our campaigns and crush our less sophisticated competitors.

      I must admit that I too felt as you, that I just didn't have time to learn something new every week. At first I was waiting weeks before diving in and testing new features, looking at it as a burden more than an opportunity. Finally, I have embraced the new pace of innovation and have a regularly scheduled conference with my AdWords rep to get a heads up of what is coming so that I can be the first to use it to whip my competitors into submission.

      Marketing is like warfare and AdWords' new innovations are like new weapons of war for the Marketing Warrior.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkKelly
    Some of the good ppc courses are:
    Google AdWords Certification Program
    Microsoft adExcellence program
    Yahoo Learn Online
    Market Motive courses
    SEMPO Institute’s search advertising classes
    Search Engine College Pay-Per-Click Starter Course
    ROI Revolution’s Google AdWords Beginner Online Training
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Generic answers. I always LOL when I read threads like this.

    If you guys are holding back on your answers, you will do better by not replying.

    Anyway Augusthansen, yes, they are partially right that you can refer to certified courses and programs created by those PPC platforms.

    But there are much better guides that are NOT created by them, and instead created by users of the platforms.

    For Google, Perry Marshall is the undisputed expert in Adwords.
    Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords: How to Access...Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords: How to Access...

    For Bing, you can refer to this thread.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/pay-per-...-roi-bing.html

    For Facebook, I am not an expert so I can't recommend anything.
    But you can find troves of knowledge in here if you know where to look.
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    • Profile picture of the author Augusthansen
      Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

      Generic answers. I always LOL when I read threads like this.

      If you guys are holding back on your answers, you will do better by not replying.

      Anyway Augusthansen, yes, they are partially right that you can refer to certified courses and programs created by those PPC platforms.

      But there are much better guides that are NOT created by them, and instead created by users of the platforms.

      For Google, Perry Marshall is the undisputed expert in Adwords.
      Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords: How to Access 100 Million People in 10 Minutes: Perry Marshall, Bryan Todd: 9781599184418: Amazon.com: Books


      For Bing, you can refer to this thread.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/pay-per-...-roi-bing.html

      For Facebook, I am not an expert so I can't recommend anything.
      But you can find troves of knowledge in here if you know where to look.
      Thanks Solarwarrior. I read through your thread on Bing a couple days ago and found it quite informative. I appreciate your contributions as I read most of the things you post. They seem to be quite direct, to the point, and useful.
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