Exactly How You Can Make $100.00 a day on Bing PPC

by solarwarrior 124 replies
Bing marketing is one of the best untapped platforms in the world where you could post campaigns
without the fear of getting banned. It is much like Adwords during its infancy.

Over the course of a few months, I have seen students making more money
with Bing more than they could imagine.
(You can find such success stories in this thread)

With OVER 5 years experience of managing campaigns and coaching, here are some
tips I decided to reveal for the benefit of those who are struggling to break the first
buck with their campaigns or wish to pursue a path where you don't have to trade in
5 days of work just to get 2 days of rest...(It still doesn't make sense to me today)

#1 Always stick with niches that are easy to sell

Would it be easier to sell water to a someone in a desert or ice to an Eskimo?
Many newbies make the mistake of interpreting popularity or passion with its sales potential.

During the gold rush, there was definitely a huge surge in interest to dig for gold.
However, the popularity of gold digging doesn't mean it is profitable.
First of all, it is costly and time consuming to find that right patch of goldmine.
Secondly, you aren't the only digger in the field.

The group that profits most from the gold rush wasn't the gold diggers, they are
the merchants that sell spades to the gold diggers. When you encounter a popular niche,
always think of ways on how to profit from it without competing with the competition.

For example, the ever popular and competitive MMO niche is a perfect model for illustration.
Instead of bidding for competitive keywords in MMO, is there any tool or complementary
product that the group couldn't do without with which you can bid for a much lower price
than the rest?


#2 Track, track and track
The difference between a barely profitable campaign and a ever growing campaign is the
knowledge the marketer possess with his data.

Why does this keyword convert while other don't?

For example, back in the days when I was bidding in the acne niche, I discovered keywords like
"acne forum" or "acne support" doesn't convert as much as "acne product" cause people who are looking
for a specific acne product are more likely to make a purchase compared to someone who are just looking
for support.

I wouldn't know if I don't have such data at my disposal.

Hence, I always manage to outbid others and gain a respectful profit margin cause I know
my audience better than my competitors.

You can track by using inherent Bing tracking tools or Prosper202.
Either of which is free and good enough for starters.

#3 Make sure you target the right location

Many people make the mistake of running international and see red in their campaigns.
That is when they rant about "poor" quality of traffic when others like me are smirking in the corner.

#4 Keep your quality score to at least 9-10

This will not only keep you CPC down, but also improve the frequency of the appearance of your ads.
Here is a brief summary what make up the quality score and how you can improve them.


#5 Get your research done

You will see in my advanced targeting option.
I literally focus on female, aged between 25-64 cause I know they have buying power.

On Monday to Friday, I set time when they will be at home from work cause the tendency of them stay fixated to my sales generating landing page with a credit card on hand are slimmer if they are working.

On weekends, I typically set it after 8am when they wake up to 12 midnight. This helps to reduce bot clicks or fraud clicks by your competitors. (Guess they need to be out on a beautiful Sunday too? )

I hope this helps.
If I am free, I will release more powerful tactics that will get people to flash their credit cards to your offer.

Here is an example of a perfect quality score landing page that I have.
#pay per click/search engine marketing (ppc/sem) #bing #guide
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    I would like to reveal some of the insider secrets I have shared with my students on how you can keep competitors away from your castle by building several moats around it. (and why direct linking is costing you more than you think)



    #1. Go for a subscription based product/service
    A subscription based product/service make sure you get paid MULTIPLE times for the initial effort you have put in to get your subscribers.

    That's why insurance companies and universities are willing to pay up to 100 buck (yes 100 buck with 2 zeros behind it) per click for their campaign. (so 2 buck per click doesn't seem that costly after all? )

    That's because once their subscribers get into their funnel, they are billed every month/semester for their packages.

    Conclusion: Increase the value per customer so you have a bigger budget than anyone to outlast and outbid anyone in your turf without hurting your profit margin.

    #2. Know your customer better than anyone else
    Does your customer buy your product/service during the day or night?
    What are the pain points that need to be resolved immediately?
    Is there any existing needs that have not been met yet?

    Create survey forms and do a weekly mailing to probe on their pain points and any improvement that can be make to an existing clickbank product/cpa offer.

    If you can create a better product than your offer, won't it be more sensible(albeit more profitable) to sell it yourself through your own list than helping someone else to sell for a cut?

    Conclusion: Make use of your existing Clickbank and CPA offer only as a leverage to gain more customers and build a bigger list. Without a list, you are back to zero even you are making 1,000 a day. Period.

    #3. Joint Venture On Steroid
    Now you have a list. It's time to do some joint venturing. Try to find similar vendors or webmasters in your niche and do a % rev share if they are willing to promote your product/offer.

    The best way to do that is having a high EPC (easily obtainable if you have a good converting list) and building a good relationship with them before you even start approaching them.

    This is the fastest and most profitable way to grow since you are leverage on their assets to build a BIGGER list. (and a heap of greenbacks too)

    Conclusion: Money do make more money. But in internet marketing, having a list and a good relationship may open more doors than money does. This is the best and fastest way to grow without relying on any advertising platform.

    I hope by the end of this thread, you are convinced having a good lander is the way to go.

    Final conclusion: At the end of the day, you want a reliable and stable business that can feed your family for generations to come.

    Making money is not that hard if you spend 16 hours a day grinding it. (just like how those office rats wearing branded suit at Wall Street..)

    But being able to make money while being able to attend your child's graduation ceremonies, birthday parties and attending to every hour of his/her life with your spouse is a whole new level altogether.

    The power of PPC lies in its reliability and a well-oiled structure that make money work for you instead of you working for the money.

    I hope this post has enlightened some of you in some way. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author kubikdanon
    Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

    Here are some optimization tips I hope you will find it useful in the days to come.
    #1 Make sure you target the right location

    Many people make the mistake of running international and see red in their campaigns.
    That is when they rant about "poor" quality of traffic when others like me are smirking in the corner.

    #2 Keep your quality score to at least 9-10

    This will not only keep you CPC down, but also improve the frequency of the appearance of your ads.
    Here is a brief summary what make up the quality score and how you can improve them.


    #3 Get your research done

    You will see in my advanced targeting option.
    I literally focus on female, aged between 25-64 cause I know they have buying power.

    On Monday to Friday, I set time when they will be at home from work cause the tendency of them stay fixated to my sales generating landing page with a credit card on hand are slimmer if they are working.

    On weekends, I typically set it after 8am when they wake up to 12 midnight. This helps to reduce bot clicks or fraud clicks by your competitors. (Guess they need to be out on a beautiful Sunday too? )

    I hope this helps.
    If I am free, I will release more powerful tactics that will get people to flash their credit cards to your offer.

    Here is an example of a perfect quality score landing page.
    Hi solarwarrior,

    May I know which keyword research tool do you use in order to scrape maximum number of keyword results?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by kubikdanon View Post

      Hi solarwarrior,

      May I know which keyword research tool do you use in order to scrape maximum number of keyword results?
      The simple and free Bing tool.

      You don't need Maximum number of keyword,
      you only need some keywords that drives good traffic
      and sales volume.

      Understand the distinction and you will be way ahead of the pack.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hedgestone
        Thank you for this post solarwarrior.

        For your keywords, do you happen to use Exact or Broad Match Modifier keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    It depends on the search volume of the keyword.

    For keyword with lower search volume, I will use phrase or broad.

    For keyword with higher search volume, I will stick to exact.

    If I need to scale up on profitable keywords, I will use phrase or broad too.

    HTH.
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Originally Posted by mrloo View Post

    Hi, this is very informative and now I get it on how to use the lander. Is it possible to show us a sample Lander to see how you pursuade or approach the people to buy the offer and at the same time build a list of emails?

    Appreciate if you can post that here so a lot can benefit from it or PM it to me :-). Thanks a lot
    I have a request for a lander template and decide to do mockup on it.

    This is just meant to be a general guide and I am not responsible
    for any monetary losses or legal repercussions if you follow it.

    Try to play around with words like
    - Enter your email to verify you are a human
    - Enter your email to get exclusive bonus
    - Enter your email to get discount and etc

    This is the best and the farthest I can help.

    Hope it helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

      I have a request for a lander template and decide to do mockup on it.

      This is just meant to be a general guide and I am not responsible
      for any monetary losses or legal repercussions if you follow it.

      Try to play around with words like
      - Enter your email to verify you are a human
      - Enter your email to get exclusive bonus
      - Enter your email to get discount and etc

      This is the best and the farthest I can help.

      Hope it helps.
      - Does this website must have more pages (some articles, about page) or single page is enough for them?

      - This page draft has hardly any content - is it good enough as a presale page or it is only good as a squeeze page? If no - any chance you can post here a draft for a presale page? If you have a real life example (that will not expose you niches) maybe it is even better.

      - what do you say about "success story" presale style where you tell the user a story like you had the same problem and how you found a solution and the solution is this ebook you are selling. I had a good conversion rate with it in Ex-Back niche but it was so long ago and I don't know if this still works.
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      • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
        Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

        - Does this website must have more pages (some articles, about page) or single page is enough for them?

        - This page draft has hardly any content - is it good enough as a presale page or it is only good as a squeeze page? If no - any chance you can post here a draft for a presale page? If you have a real life example (that will not expose you niches) maybe it is even better.

        - what do you say about "success story" presale style where you tell the user a story like you had the same problem and how you found a solution and the solution is this ebook you are selling. I had a good conversion rate with it in Ex-Back niche but it was so long ago and I don't know if this still works.
        1. One article is enough. But always add privacy policy and terms of use for Bing compliance.

        2. Pre-sale. I always get questions like,
        "Why do I NEED to build a lander/website when the vendor has it too."

        The offer page build by the vendor does not address to every customer.
        They are only addressed to customers who know about their product and want to know more about it. Your job as an affiliate is to address their concerns and introduce the vendor's product as a solution to their problem.

        I don't think it is ethical to post others' hard work without their permission.
        All you have to do is google or bing the keyword you are competing with and you can find their landing/website from the ads displayed from your search queries.

        3. It works but you have to be real and personal to your audience in order to build trust and get them to buy from your recommendations.
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    What happens if you are low on budget and can't afford to pay for 1st position?
    You use differentiation to get the most attention to your ad even position is not in your favor.

    To illustrate my point, I will use an example below.


    To be fair, #1 is always the best spot to be cause that is how Bing and similar search engines make more money out of us.

    However, as you have kindly pointed out, this leads to high CPC that may erode your earnings over time.

    One of the ways you can counter that is to target and appeal to different demographics of your audience.

    If you have notice,
    #2 counter their disadvantage by targeting working mum only.
    #3 counter their disadvantage by targeting people who are interested to dabble in stocks.
    #4 counter their disadvantage by targeting lazy people in general.

    I would not try to go for #5 and below cause it will result in reduce visibility of my ads.

    There are also many ways to increase your profit margin, one of which is to negotiate a higher payout from your merchant.

    To answer second part of your question,

    DO NOT MISTAKEN CONVERSION RATE AS CLICK THROUGH RATE.

    Ad position has no bearing at all with your conversion rate.

    It is more important to ensure you get high CTR so you can get higher quality score and greater visibility over time.

    Hope that answered your question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave1529
    Nice Bing ads postings. I like how you talk about the differentiation to get peoples attention when you can't get top. I have still gotten good CTR when not in the top because I tried to stick out compared to other ads
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          I want to know how to use Bing Ads Keyword Tool and select the best keywords for my campaign..please advise.
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Keyword Planner can be found as shown.

    The best keyword are those with commercial intent.
    For example, "buy", "product name", "review" and etc.

    For advanced marketer, we will go a step further and
    add negative keywords to prevent them from showing up.

    For example, you would want to block the word "refund"
    to save on cost on people searching for refunds which
    are not beneficial to your campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    You said to keep the quality score at least 9-10.

    If some keywords have a quality score below 9, do you recommend pausing those keywords or does it only matter what the overall quality score is?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      You said to keep the quality score at least 9-10.

      If some keywords have a quality score below 9, do you recommend pausing those keywords or does it only matter what the overall quality score is?
      If those keywords bring in sales, why should I pause them?

      Keeping the quality score above 9 give you substantial advantage
      in achieving higher profit margin compared to your competitors at
      the ads level.

      They should not be used to determine which keywords should be paused.

      I will only pause keywords if they are not bringing in sales or they
      are too costly to bid on. (example, the cost of bidding > profit)

      However, sometimes I will bid aggressively (sometimes at a loss) to chase
      my competitors away. This will discourage them from starting a bidding war
      with me and allows me to reap more profits by dominating the niche in Bing.

      The only way to sustain a bidding war is to create a profitable funnel which
      deploy a loss leader bidding strategy by bidding more than your competitor outfront,
      in order to upsell a higher pricing item at the backend to recoup the loss you make
      at the front.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        You mentioned that you use broad for keywords with lower search volume. Do you use regular broad match or only the broad match modifier?
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    Thanks for this post ... man im doing this right after i submit this ...
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    I always have people who asked, "Which is better? Lander or Direct linking?"

    Both have its pros and cons.

    But if you are bidding in competitive niches,
    or simply can't afford to bid more, then
    you have to work more by building a lander.

    You simply can't have both ways, can you?

    Here is the diagram I manage to draw out to illustrate the beauty of having a lander.
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  • Profile picture of the author yahweh
    Thanks Solarwarrior for the coaching and setting up this guide.

    I couldn't believe this method works until I make my first sale.

    It was only 2-3 months later, I saw my first success as a newbie!

    For those out there, never ever give up!

    Those who said this stuff does not work are trying to force people to quit so they have less competition for themselves.

    If I can do it, so can you!
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    • Profile picture of the author owenlee
      Originally Posted by yahweh View Post

      Thanks Solarwarrior for the coaching and setting up this guide.

      I couldn't believe this method works until I make my first sale.

      It was only 2-3 months later, I saw my first success as a newbie!

      For those out there, never ever give up!

      Those who said this stuff does not work are trying to force people to quit so they have less competition for themselves.

      If I can do it, so can you!

      Congrats!!

      Which type of landing pages are you using?and are you building a list? I have been trying hard to build a nice small niche site as landing page...
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      • Profile picture of the author yahweh
        Originally Posted by owenlee View Post

        Congrats!!

        Which type of landing pages are you using?and are you building a list? I have been trying hard to build a nice small niche site as landing page...
        I always stick to simple landing pages that offer benefits to the users. Yes, list has helped me to tide over seasons when sales are low.
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        • Profile picture of the author cooler1
          Originally Posted by yahweh View Post

          I always stick to simple landing pages that offer benefits to the users. Yes, list has helped me to tide over seasons when sales are low.
          1. The earnings that you showed in your screenshot, how many products is that based on promoting?

          2. Do you build a list for every product you promote or only certain products?
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          • Profile picture of the author yahweh
            Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

            1. The earnings that you showed in your screenshot, how many products is that based on promoting?

            2. Do you build a list for every product you promote or only certain products?
            1. all of them.
            2. all of them.
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            • Profile picture of the author cooler1
              Originally Posted by yahweh View Post

              1. all of them.
              2. all of them.
              I don't understand answer #1.

              Your screenshot is based on number of sales, not different products you are promoting?
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    If you can't afford a dedicated tracker to track your sales,
    you can put customized Clickbank ID to track individual sales.

    So you can use keyword1, keyword2, keyword3 and so on
    to create multiple links and see which keyword works for you.

    Hope it helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hearn
    I feel like I gave up too fast on Bing. I was getting clicks for 8-10 cents on average but very few opt-ins and none of them were showing in the dashboard(I'm fairly confident I added the tracking code correctly). I had to track them using PrettyLink. So I was quite far away from sending traffic to a sales page directly.

    Great thread thanks for sharing. Might motivate me and others.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Does anybody know anything about Bing native ads. This suddenly appeared on the settings. I wonder if we can opt out of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author gordonmartin2013
    Hello Solar

    I have a few questions if I may

    I am not a customer yet though so I will understand if you feel that you have to decline to answer

    I am in the make money niche

    I see a reference to mainline or side ads, do we have a choice which we choose and if so, which is best>

    Devices and Smartphones, should we decrease or increase those or leave them alone?

    I take it when it comes to bids it gives us a number of possible options, but we are best if we can afford it to go for a first position bid

    Best way to increase quality score?

    Best way to increase Ctr?

    Native ads, do they just show up once you actually have a campaign running?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by gordonmartin2013 View Post

      Hello Solar

      I have a few questions if I may

      I am not a customer yet though so I will understand if you feel that you have to decline to answer

      I am in the make money niche

      I see a reference to mainline or side ads, do we have a choice which we choose and if so, which is best>

      Devices and Smartphones, should we decrease or incrtease those or leave them alone?

      I take it when it comes to bids it gives us a number of possible options, but we are best if we can afford it to go for a first position bid

      Best way to increase quality score?

      Best way to increase Ctr?

      Native ads, do they just show up once you actually have a campaign running?
      Originally Posted by gordonmartin2013 View Post

      Here is another question I have. My landing page was designed as jpg format which I feel does look more attractive

      I know that it is bad for seo, as the text and keywords are incorporated into the jpg

      Just wondering if the same applies for Bing. Is my quality score likely to be low because I have used a jpg format? (due to little or no text)

      Any solution or workaround, or is it likely I will have to start again?

      When you are looking at Keyword Research at Bing are you looking to have that ctr there above 5% or are you talking about 5% ctr for your own advertising?

      What things do you take into account when researching Keywords using the Bing Keywords tool?
      I make no distinction between them, I will help as long as it don't take too much of my time.

      Here are my answers.
      1. mainline
      2. depends. If your offer has a video, I would decrease them.
      3. having your keywords in your ad and landing page.
      4. stop copying from your competitors and have an ad that stands out.
      5. Yes, they do.
      6. Yes, having too little words does affect your quality score as I have mentioned in point 3.
      7. Get a coder to code them as html instead of using a image for your landing page.
      8. I don't go for 5%. I go for at least 10%.
      9. Stay away from "free", "refund" and other keywords that won't convert.
      However, "free" may work if you are trying to get lead instead of getting a sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author gordonmartin2013
    Here is another question I have. My landing page was designed as jpg format which I feel does look more attractive

    I know that it is bad for seo, as the text and keywords are incorporated into the jpg

    Just wondering if the same applies for Bing. Is my quality score likely to be low because I have used a jpg format? (due to little or no text)

    Any solution or workaround, or is it likely I will have to start again?

    When you are looking at Keyword Research at Bing are you looking to have that ctr there above 5% or are you talking about 5% ctr for your own advertising?

    What things do you take into account when researching Keywords using the Bing Keywords tool?
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  • Profile picture of the author LuncheonMeat
    Hi SolarWarrior,

    Thanks for some great information. I'm hoping you will entertain a question.

    I have a healthcare clinic that I own and run. For me, my customers have to physically come to my office. There is no e-commerce. What is the best way to set up targeting around my office? I have it set to my physical address with a 30-mile radius, but is that the best way to do things? Should I target specific cities also/instead?

    Any other important considerations for a local business like this?

    Thanks SW!
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by LuncheonMeat View Post

      Hi SolarWarrior,

      Thanks for some great information. I'm hoping you will entertain a question.

      I have a healthcare clinic that I own and run. For me, my customers have to physically come to my office. There is no e-commerce. What is the best way to set up targeting around my office? I have it set to my physical address with a 30-mile radius, but is that the best way to do things? Should I target specific cities also/instead?

      Any other important considerations for a local business like this?

      Thanks SW!
      That's depends on what you want.

      If you are targeting the locals in your area, you can target either by zip code or radius.


      However, if you are targeting EVERYONE who are searching for your clinic,
      you can target those customers by keywords.
      Example, "San Francisco Clinic"

      This can be narrowed down further by using a combination of both methods.

      Hope it helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfrombk
    Just an amazing amount of information here. I wanted to ask, are you still able to get bing coupons or not at the moment? I wanted to see if i could start off with some money to test the ads, even though you give so much detail it doesnt look like you ll be losing any money with your tips
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by jfrombk View Post

      Just an amazing amount of information here. I wanted to ask, are you still able to get bing coupons or not at the moment? I wanted to see if i could start off with some money to test the ads, even though you give so much detail it doesnt look like you ll be losing any money with your tips
      If you have never create a Bing account before, you can request for coupon.

      But coupon won't get you far.

      It is like trading on forex platform on a demo account.

      Only those who dabbles with real money will learn and master the game faster than those risk averse traders.

      Same goes for PPC.
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  • Profile picture of the author gordonmartin2013
    I have an awful habit of putting the cart before the horse. I make a start at something and then after I mess it up, then I get out the instruction manual.

    Is there anything that is glaringly obvious in the two images below?




    I have 71 keywords but only 7 have produced clicks, would I be better removing the other keywords?

    I have a total of 24 clicks, 1278 impressions and 5.55 average position, I did accept upping bids that they suggested. My thoughts are to up the bids on the keywords that are producing and remove the other ones, but maybe upping bids on non producing keywords is a better idea and then remove if they still do not produce.

    I am thinking the ctr is generally way too low

    I have only had this going a few days so it is early days yet and I understand too early to make any sort of a judgment (not enough data) The quality score is 8 out of 10 on a lot of them

    Thanks in advance for any general times, any and all comments are welcome
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      This is a common problem I always faced with my students.

      They always start with more keywords than they can handle.

      Let's look at the following example:

      Ads
      =====================
      Red buttons for sale!
      Buy one and get 50% off!
      =====================

      Your keywords: (generated by Bing or your paid keyword generator)
      =====================
      Buttons
      Red buttons
      Dark Red buttons
      Blue buttons
      Ocean Blue buttons
      hot buttons
      button restaurant
      panic buttons
      =====================

      Out of this list, only 2 keywords is found in the ads.
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      Buttons
      Red Buttons
      =====================

      So what happen to the rest of the keywords?
      They get low quality score and 0-2 clicks cause they are not relevant to the search queries.

      Before you go, "so should I create one ad for each keyword?"
      No, if you look carefully, we can group our keywords as follows.
      =====================
      General
      ===
      Buttons
      ===

      Red
      ===
      Red buttons
      Dark Red buttons
      ===

      Blue
      ===
      Blue buttons
      Ocean Blue buttons
      ===

      Irrelevant (this group can be paused or deleted from the campaign)
      ===
      hot buttons
      button restaurant
      panic buttons
      ===

      Based on each group, we create a new ad that is relevant to them.

      Grouping the keywords is the 1st step in increasing your quality score.
      But what about CTR?

      Have you seen the following examples before?

      Ad1
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      Red buttons for sale!
      Buy one and get 75% off!
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      Ad2
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      Red buttons for sale!
      Buy one and get 35% off!
      ===============

      Ad3
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      Red buttons for sale!
      Buy one and get 95% off!
      ===============

      The ads look similar and they are driving each other down the wall using cost leadership.

      When it happens, you need a different strategy to stand out and increase your CTR.

      Here is some ads that will stand out from the crowd.
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      We have sold over 1000 red buttons.
      100% crafted by hand.
      ===============

      ===============
      Do you need a red button for your big day?
      Order it today and get it delivered in 24 hours!
      ===============

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      Red buttons for sale!
      Only available in Pennsylvania.
      ===============

      The last ad look similar to the rest, but it is geographically targeted to those living in Pennsylvania.
      It will stand out if someone lives in Pennsylvania and hence boost your CTR compared to the rest.

      Hope this tutorial helps in answering your questions.
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    I can't comment on that cause I am not an attorney.

    Generally it is accepted by Bing but it won't stop others from suing you.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    @solarwarrior.

    In Bing, I've noticed that some products (i.e. EZ Battery Reconditioning) have ads which advertise a Clickbank product for a low price, such as $27 which is about $20 less than the regular price of the product.

    How are they able to sell the product for that low price? When I go to the affiliate page for the Clickbank product, I don't see any discount offer mentioned.
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      @solarwarrior.

      In Bing, I've noticed that some products (i.e. EZ Battery Reconditioning) have ads which advertise a Clickbank product for a low price, such as $27 which is about $20 less than the regular price of the product.

      How are they able to sell the product for that low price? When I go to the affiliate page for the Clickbank product, I don't see any discount offer mentioned.
      I won't bother cause I never compromise profit margin to get advantage over others.

      And even if you manage to get lower price, it won't stop others from doing the same since it doesn't require much to lower your price other than sacrificing your profit to your customers.

      In the end, everyone loses except Bing when affiliates start to engage in pricing war.

      Who wants to work more for less money anyway?
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    great stuff, and I have kept reading this thread.

    PPC, is a great tool, and I feel BING is getting better. But it seems it is not getting the competition like GOOGLE did back in the day, when it went from 2 cents to $gazillion dollars a click.

    I feel the secret with BING is to spend a few hundred to TEST, and find the winning campaigns and keywords. Once you do that, you are on FIRE. UPSCALE, UPSCALE, UPSCALE!
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  • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
    Hi Solar,

    When I am in the keyword research phase with hundreds of keywords on broad match, and I get a quality score for the keywords, am I supposed to delete the ones with a QS lower than a certain amount, I heard that I am supposed to.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by mootonandy View Post

      Hi Solar,

      When I am in the keyword research phase with hundreds of keywords on broad match, and I get a quality score for the keywords, am I supposed to delete the ones with a QS lower than a certain amount, I heard that I am supposed to.

      Thanks!
      1. Never use broad match if you are starting out.
      2. If the ad and landing page relevancy are bad, most of the quality score will be low.
      Are you going to delete all of them?

      I have given an example earlier in this thread on how you can structure your keywords and ads.
      Please read it and ask me if you have any further questions.

      Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
        Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

        1. Never use broad match if you are starting out.
        2. If the ad and landing page relevancy are bad, most of the quality score will be low.
        Are you going to delete all of them?

        I have given an example earlier in this thread on how you can structure your keywords and ads.
        Please read it and ask me if you have any further questions.

        Thanks.
        I see, thanks solar. A few other courses told to start on broad, then go to phrase then exact - the scaling process.
        This conflicting info is making things confusing.
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        • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
          Originally Posted by mootonandy View Post

          I see, thanks solar. A few other courses told to start on broad, then go to phrase then exact - the scaling process.
          This conflicting info is making things confusing.
          Most of the courses copied each other and resell as a package.

          It is a typical monkey see monkey do bs that is happening out there that paid thousands of dollars in commission to your usual gurus who spam your inbox urging that it is the solution to your problem, neglecting to mention that they are paid if you buy from them but never in their interest that you succeed.

          Even if the Establishment is right that broad is the way to go, it will cost thousands and tens of thousands to find the right keyword to open that door of revenue.

          Can you afford to do that?

          Show me a course that told you to bid broad and I will show you thousands of their students who turned to me to optimize their campaigns.

          I am sick of optimizing countless campaigns due to the action of irresponsible marketers and gurus.

          This is the reason why I started this thread in the first place until the Establishment turned back on me and shut me down for good.
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      • Profile picture of the author panjanglow
        Recently i setup a campaign in Bing Ads with direct linking to promote a CPA offer which only available in Australia and I set the location to Australia only. However, my ads are disapproved. I checked with Bing Ads support and apparently they tested my link in US, since this offer is not available in US definitely it will route to another page which ended up with popup. I told them my target country is Australia, audience other than Australia shouldn't be seeing this ad and if people from Australia click the ad definitely they will see the final landing page which matches the Display Url in Bing Ads. However, they didn't seem to accept my explanation and kept saying my ad shouldn't redirect user to a page where it doesn't match the Display Url.

        I somehow feel like is cheating since i know the person who review my ads will be in US and if i promote offers which are available in US then i can always get my ads approved. But the fact is if people outside of US clicks the ads they will be redirected to other page which doesn't match the Display Url. I didn't tell them about the scenario where i promote offers available only in US as I'm afraid they will immediately disapprove my existing running campaign.

        Anyone has similar situation?
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        • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
          Originally Posted by panjanglow View Post

          Recently i setup a campaign in Bing Ads with direct linking to promote a CPA offer which only available in Australia and I set the location to Australia only. However, my ads are disapproved. I checked with Bing Ads support and apparently they tested my link in US, since this offer is not available in US definitely it will route to another page which ended up with popup. I told them my target country is Australia, audience other than Australia shouldn't be seeing this ad and if people from Australia click the ad definitely they will see the final landing page which matches the Display Url in Bing Ads. However, they didn't seem to accept my explanation and kept saying my ad shouldn't redirect user to a page where it doesn't match the Display Url.

          I somehow feel like is cheating since i know the person who review my ads will be in US and if i promote offers which are available in US then i can always get my ads approved. But the fact is if people outside of US clicks the ads they will be redirected to other page which doesn't match the Display Url. I didn't tell them about the scenario where i promote offers available only in US as I'm afraid they will immediately disapprove my existing running campaign.

          Anyone has similar situation?
          The problem can be solved if you use lander instead of direct linking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Koolkitkat
    @SolarWarrior What would you say is the best way to go about picking products to promote on clickbank? Seems Clickbank likes to stick to certain niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author concerro
    Did the ad go to a landing page only site before being sent to the sales page or was the ad going to a full website with a few articles?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by concerro View Post

      Did the ad go to a landing page only site before being sent to the sales page or was the ad going to a full website with a few articles?
      It depends on the needs of your audience.

      Do they need more persuasion before they buy or
      are they ready to buy?
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      • Profile picture of the author GowebMkt
        Hi Solar Warrior,

        Thoughts on using Improvely for tracking KW, sales, etc?

        Have you had success promoting products seen on MoreNiche or Market Health?
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        • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
          Originally Posted by GowebMkt View Post

          Hi Solar Warrior,

          Thoughts on using Improvely for tracking KW, sales, etc?

          Have you had success promoting products seen on MoreNiche or Market Health?
          To be honest, the type or kind of lander doesn't matter.

          I have seen a simple blogspot post converting way better than most landers.

          The key is starting doing something (instead of reading), and keep improving on your lander.

          I have students whose English is not even their native language and managed to excel with a lander.

          It won't happen overnight.

          But if you are willing to spend more "overnights" optimizing your lander, it will definitely happen on a certain night.

          Conclusion: Don't invest too much on lander and etc, start doing something & focus on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author wass11
      From what you are saying like #2 post in this thread bing ads ppc ad is aimed to collect email addresses by landing pages not for sell clickbank(cpa) products directly?

      In reality clickbank(or cpa) product sale as an affiliate is done by email marketing (with lists) almost entirely?
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      • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
        Originally Posted by wass11 View Post

        From what you are saying like #2 post in this thread bing ads ppc ad is aimed to collect email addresses by landing pages not for sell clickbank(cpa) products directly?

        In reality clickbank(or cpa) product sale as an affiliate is done by email marketing (with lists) almost entirely?
        Look at the big picture.

        With a list, you can sell other products on top of existing products.
        You can even create a product (like a book) and sell directly to them.

        With a list, you can choose to sell clickbank product at a later stage.
        Without a list, you don't have a choice but have only 1 chance to sell to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author rennsport
    are you using prosper202?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by rennsport View Post

      are you using prosper202?
      Yes. You can't go wrong with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author rennsport
        Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

        Yes. You can't go wrong with it.
        Gotcha. I'm still learning and just launched my first campaign today on Bing Ads. Was annoyed with just reading forums and blogs about this so I decided to jump in and learn through my mistakes.

        However, one thing I'm confused about is keyword tracking. I've setup prosper202 correctly (I know since it's collecting data), but one thing I'm confused about is how exactly prosper202 works. I am bidding on like 20 keywords. Am I supposed to add each of these 20 keywords to the end of the tracking URL generated by prosper202? And what exactly are Sub Ids? To setup the tracking correctly I had to add a subid to my link but I'm not really sure what it does, or why PeerFly offers you three of them. On prosper when I look at my campaign and click Analyze >> Keywords, it says [no keyword] but it's clearly reporting data since it shows there have been clicks (mostly from me however).

        Thanks in advance.
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        • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
          Originally Posted by rennsport View Post

          Gotcha. I'm still learning and just launched my first campaign today on Bing Ads. Was annoyed with just reading forums and blogs about this so I decided to jump in and learn through my mistakes.

          However, one thing I'm confused about is keyword tracking. I've setup prosper202 correctly (I know since it's collecting data), but one thing I'm confused about is how exactly prosper202 works. I am bidding on like 20 keywords. Am I supposed to add each of these 20 keywords to the end of the tracking URL generated by prosper202? And what exactly are Sub Ids? To setup the tracking correctly I had to add a subid to my link but I'm not really sure what it does, or why PeerFly offers you three of them. On prosper when I look at my campaign and click Analyze >> Keywords, it says [no keyword] but it's clearly reporting data since it shows there have been clicks (mostly from me however).

          Thanks in advance.
          Pm me your Skype and I will help you out.
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  • Profile picture of the author cathyanderson
    Thank you SolarWarrior for such a great thread! It is very valuable to those that learn from your answers. I can't remember the last time I read a thread through each question and reply. You are very helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by reliasr View Post

      They teach to launch your campaigns with a lot of keywords for the collecting data phase, then you scale up with the winning keywords and ads by creating a new group with the phrase version of the keyword.
      I have no comment on that cause I believe I have make my point very clear.

      If you manage to succeed with it, let's us know.
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  • Profile picture of the author reliasr
    Very good post... I have one question...: since you suggest to groups the "same" keywords and have ads including the common keyword... should we have as many landing pages as ads groups? ex.: 5 ad groups, 5 landers?

    Thanks for the help...
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by reliasr View Post

      Very good post... I have one question...: since you suggest to groups the "same" keywords and have ads including the common keyword... should we have as many landing pages as ads groups? ex.: 5 ad groups, 5 landers?

      Thanks for the help...
      Hi reliasr,

      Yes, you are right.

      I have sketch an example of a campaign on how to go about it.
      NOTE: You can have multiple ads under an ad group but it will be a hell lot complicated.
      For simplicity sake, here is a basic layout of a generic campaign.


      In the next session, I will reveal how you can get high quality score for your lander effortlessly.
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  • Profile picture of the author CpvTrafficPro
    I always tend to have a 1 dedicated lander for each ad group. This helps with keeping info relevant and achieving high quality scores
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    Very impressive description and illustrations, especially for newbies. And I also appreciate that you focused on quality contents. Most people just want links, doesnt matter to them whats on the other side of that link.
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  • Profile picture of the author chase234
    Hello Solar Warrior I just purchased your product and wondering If I can get that coaching call
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  • Profile picture of the author Australia1982
    I am glad to have some success after reading this thread.
    This is way more informational than most threads in the forum.
    Please do not send any PM cause the information are available on this thread.

    Hope this inspires some of you out there to take action cause I learnt by making mistakes along the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Here is an example of a perfect quality score landing page that I have.





    How to improve your CTR
    -Being specific in your value proposition.
    Example: "We have 20% more selection compared to other retailers."
    instead of merely stating "We have more selection compared to other retailers"

    -Make sure your highly related keywords are organized into their respective ad groups.
    Example: "Labrador food, Labrador meal, Labrador diet" => Labrador Ad Group
    DO NOT mix Labrador, German Shepherd and other kinds of dogs together as it is a sure way for your CTR to suffer.

    - Make sure your average position is between 1 and 2.
    If possible, go for first position by bidding more than others.

    How to improve your Ad Relevance
    -Make sure your related keywords are grouped together
    -Make sure your ads are relevant to the respective ad groups
    -Use one landing page per product instead of grouping them in one page.

    How to improve your Landing Page Experience
    -Make sure the page loads quickly.


    -Make sure your site is relevant to what you are promoting
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  • Profile picture of the author hichoulife
    Hey @solarwarrior

    I spend over $100 without conversions. What should I do now?

    This is my stats:

    361 keywords
    4 Ad Groups (each ad group contain 3 ads)
    133 Clicks
    CTR 2,74%
    Avg.cpc $0.71
    Avg.Position 2.78

    I'm promoting Clickbank product with a presell page (No opt-in included)
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by hichoulife View Post

      Hey @solarwarrior

      I spend over $100 without conversions. What should I do now?

      This is my stats:

      361 keywords
      4 Ad Groups (each ad group contain 3 ads)
      133 Clicks
      CTR 2,74%
      Avg.cpc $0.71
      Avg.Position 2.78

      I'm promoting Clickbank product with a presell page (No opt-in included)
      That's a high CPC. What niche is it?

      What match types did you bid on? If your bidding on broad match then your traffic might be not targeted enough towards your intended prospects.

      As you are bidding on 361 keywords, some of them are probably too general and not closely targeted enough to people who would want to buy the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by hichoulife View Post

      Hey @solarwarrior

      I spend over $100 without conversions. What should I do now?

      This is my stats:

      361 keywords
      4 Ad Groups (each ad group contain 3 ads)
      133 Clicks
      CTR 2,74%
      Avg.cpc $0.71
      Avg.Position 2.78

      I'm promoting Clickbank product with a presell page (No opt-in included)
      Your CTR is too low.
      Try to hit at least 10%.
      That will reduce your avg CPC too.
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  • Profile picture of the author fated82
    Great thread.

    I wonder can this method be use on Adwords too? With a little modification here and there?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by fated82 View Post

      Great thread.

      I wonder can this method be use on Adwords too? With a little modification here and there?
      Yes, I was handling clients accounts in Adwords before moving on to Bing since the competition is generally lower and the clicks are cheaper for the same quality of traffic.

      You have to contend with lower amount of traffic though by bidding on more keywords but at least they don't ban you with no reason. (They have a 24/7 live chat support too - that is a plus)
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  • Profile picture of the author kasmanishafi
    When I choose any product on clickbank then promote on bing ads

    Eg choosed learning language product

    How many bid minimum?

    Minimum to maximum bid?

    How many keywords limit?
    1 to 20 or above 20 to 1000?

    How many spent per day
    $10 or $100 per day?

    How many days limit?
    Daily or one day?

    Will I need negative keywords?

    Will I choose broad or exact or phrase? Or all in one?

    How many require quality score?

    If you know then teach me?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      How many bid minimum?
      - It depends on your competitors in your market.
      If they bid 1.0, you have to bid 1.1 to get over them.

      Minimum to maximum bid?
      -Same answer as above.

      How many keywords limit?
      1 to 20 or above 20 to 1000?
      -I usually goes with 20 and start to build up gradually.

      How many spent per day
      $10 or $100 per day?
      -Depends. You can start out with 10.
      I am spending more than 500 a day to keep profitable campaigns running.

      How many days limit?
      Daily or one day?
      -Daily

      Will I need negative keywords?
      -Yes. You do.

      Will I choose broad or exact or phrase? Or all in one?
      -It depends on your traffic volume. If you are a newbie, start with exact.

      How many require quality score?
      -10/10

      If you know then teach me?
      -I don't teach for free cause I am teaching other students too.
      But I will post useful information on this thread when I am free.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    @solarwarrior

    Bing ads have changed their interface now, so when creating an ad it has the option for Short URL or Destination URL. If you use Prosper202, should the URL be put in Short URL or Destination URL?
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    I have seen students who have been misguided in placing thousands of keywords for bidding in Bing.

    This is a classic example where gurus are simply copying others' courses and spin it on their own or recommending a useless course simply for that 75% or 100% commission at your expense.

    Every keyword you choose has to sing in harmony with the ad and landing page you are pairing up with.

    Now, imagine pairing up thousands of keywords with that lone ad.

    Instead of trying to filter the best keywords, you are inadvertently eliminating good keywords that seem to turn bad due to your poor pairing rather than the keyword being inherently bad to your campaign.


    Instead of trying the carpet bombing approach to PPC, a surgical strike approach will be more practical if you have limited time and budget.

    Try it and post an update in this thread if you saw an improvement in your campaign.
    (I will tangle a sweet reward if you do)

    Disclaimer: 5 keywords is the general norm. You can adjust it depending on your niche.
    However, based on my own experience, anything more than 10 would make the ad group ineffective.
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    The only thing I find with being is that while I'm doing the trial and error stage I find it quite tedious waiting to see what works in finding the sweet spot
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    best recommended landing page, squeeze page and video page or text page for increase sales? you experienced before?
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Hello, I hope everyone is doing well.

    Even though Bing has become more competitive, it is not too late to jump in.
    Some niches tends to perform better than others.
    However, these niches tends to be more competitive and pricing.
    In the next post, I will reveal how you can find those niches and get it cheaper than your competitors.

    In the meantime, keep those questions you have in mind going.

    I will answer them when I am available.
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    • Profile picture of the author beautyuno1
      Where is your "next post"? ....form your post :In the next post, I will reveal how you can find those niches and get it cheaper than your competitors....

      Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

      Hello, I hope everyone is doing well.

      Even though Bing has become more competitive, it is not too late to jump in.
      Some niches tends to perform better than others.
      However, these niches tends to be more competitive and pricing.
      In the next post, I will reveal how you can find those niches and get it cheaper than your competitors.

      In the meantime, keep those questions you have in mind going.

      I will answer them when I am available.
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      • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
        Originally Posted by beautyuno1 View Post

        Where is your "next post"? ....form your post :In the next post, I will reveal how you can find those niches and get it cheaper than your competitors....
        Sorry, I am tied up with my students's campaigns and
        I am running several of my own campaigns as well so
        I will only visit this thread when I am free.

        One of the ways to find a good niche with little competition
        is finding a sub niche within a popular niche.

        For example, everyone knows weight loss industry
        is a competitive niche.

        However, targeting a sub niche such as "getting 6 abs" and
        "losing weight before marriage" may allow you to bid with lesser
        competition without losing significant volume.

        Another way to do so is to skim off an angle no one else
        can think of.

        For example, if I create a simple survey asking for
        their weight to generate health report for them, I could
        collect a list and promote the relevant clickbank product
        based on the health report.

        Hence, if you bid on "health report" and etc, you will be able
        to generate more traffic with a much lower budget,

        There are other profitable methods too that could increase
        your revenue overtime but I won't be revealing it at the moment.
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        • Profile picture of the author aizaku
          Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

          Sorry, I am tied up with my students's campaigns and
          I am running several of my own campaigns as well so
          I will only visit this thread when I am free.

          One of the ways to find a good niche with little competition
          is finding a sub niche within a popular niche.

          For example, everyone knows weight loss industry
          is a competitive niche.

          However, targeting a sub niche such as "getting 6 abs" and
          "losing weight before marriage" may allow you to bid with lesser
          competition without losing significant volume.

          Another way to do so is to skim off an angle no one else
          can think of.

          For example, if I create a simple survey asking for
          their weight to generate health report for them, I could
          collect a list and promote the relevant clickbank product
          based on the health report.

          Hence, if you bid on "health report" and etc, you will be able
          to generate more traffic with a much lower budget,

          There are other profitable methods too that could increase
          your revenue overtime but I won't be revealing it at the moment.
          thanks for the tips

          i really like your latter method, flipping the market basically.

          -Ike Paz
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  • Profile picture of the author bubb
    Hi SolarWarrior,

    Thanks so much for all the information you have provided - very much appreciated.

    Apologies if i've missed this but do you provide lead magnets on your landers? Or do your landers simply 'warm up' your visitors and then direct them to the affiliate site?

    I noticed in one of the templates you provided their was an opt-in for email address so if you don't provide a lead magnet how do you incentivise visitors to do this before providing their details?

    Thank you so much again.
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by bubb View Post

      Hi SolarWarrior,

      Thanks so much for all the information you have provided - very much appreciated.

      Apologies if i've missed this but do you provide lead magnets on your landers? Or do your landers simply 'warm up' your visitors and then direct them to the affiliate site?

      I noticed in one of the templates you provided their was an opt-in for email address so if you don't provide a lead magnet how do you incentivise visitors to do this before providing their details?

      Thank you so much again.
      It depends on the niche.

      I will usually provide bonus in the mail to complement their experience.

      For example, if I am promoting migraine product, I would add on a free report to lessen their pain and promote the Clickbank product based on my report.
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  • Profile picture of the author wass11
    For tracking ppc what can you recommend it except prosper202?
    Prosper202 is not free now(and expensive) moreover it may run well on vps hosting(not on shared hosting) though it may be more profitable by excluding keywords that aren't convert on the way of using prosper202.

    Other wp plugins can be good alternatives for the prosper202 functions?
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    I am going to do a new guide on tracking.
    Keep your eyes peeled for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author wass11
      Appreciate it to prepare the guide on tracking.
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  • Profile picture of the author qmenaq
    Hello solar warrior I bing i advertised as you showed but sales was not different i got my key words quality score 9 and 10
    Where do you make me wrong please tell me










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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by qmenaq View Post

      Hello solar warrior I bing i advertised as you showed but sales was not different i got my key words quality score 9 and 10
      Where do you make me wrong please tell me



      Congrats on your initial sales.

      As we have discussed in Skype, the problem lies in the
      conflicts of broad keywords that prevent the rest of the ads
      to show.

      Try to change your match type to exact or phrase to prevent
      resolve the issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author qmenaq
        Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

        Congrats on your initial sales.

        As we have discussed in Skype, the problem lies in the
        conflicts of broad keywords that prevent the rest of the ads
        to show.

        Try to change your match type to exact or phrase to prevent
        resolve the issue.
        Thank you
        CTR and Avg.pos. What do you need to do, how long it has to be for sale
        And CPC is how much I make 0.05
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        • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
          Originally Posted by qmenaq View Post

          Thank you
          CTR and Avg.pos. What do you need to do, how long it has to be for sale
          And CPC is how much I make 0.05
          10% CTR.
          Try to go for 1-2.
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        • Profile picture of the author teguh123
          Hello,

          I am newbie in BingAds.

          In my campaign, when I click suggested bid, I find Impression and Top Impression.

          What is different Impression and Top Impression ?

          Thank you
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        • Profile picture of the author gdubb85
          While waiting for solarwarrior's expert advice, what do the rest of your numbers look like?

          If let's say the average sale is $50 (somewhere between initial sale and upsells) and you have 50% CTR from lander to sale pages, what is your conversion rate at the sales page?

          It seems like your break even is > 4% i.e. 25 clicks to the sales page, 50 clicks from bing @ $1 CPC.

          I don't know if that's good or bad as I am in your same boat trying to understand what optimal numbers are to make this work, success always lies in the details of optimizing (as I am sure you know), but maybe you can chime in with your own numbers and solarwarrior can spot the easiest area to improve and what he shoots for for his campaigns.

          I am guessing the other route might be if this is a highly competitive niche, break even collecting emails on the front end and profiting via email marketing over time?
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          • Profile picture of the author SERPTurbo
            Originally Posted by gdubb85 View Post

            While waiting for solarwarrior's expert advice, what do the rest of your numbers look like?

            If let's say the average sale is $50 (somewhere between initial sale and upsells) and you have 50% CTR from lander to sale pages, what is your conversion rate at the sales page?

            It seems like your break even is > 4% i.e. 25 clicks to the sales page, 50 clicks from bing @ $1 CPC.

            I don't know if that's good or bad as I am in your same boat trying to understand what optimal numbers are to make this work, success always lies in the details of optimizing (as I am sure you know), but maybe you can chime in with your own numbers and solarwarrior can spot the easiest area to improve and what he shoots for for his campaigns.

            I am guessing the other route might be if this is a highly competitive niche, break even collecting emails on the front end and profiting via email marketing over time?
            You are pretty much spot-on, my hops to sales ratio is around 1:30 (which is pretty decent, I believe), so I'm barely breaking even, but very easily can go into loss - it only takes a few days of no sales, which I believe could be due to normal fluctuations and that's it, I'm making a loss. Notice, we are not even talking about making a profit....

            Trying to figure out the optimum numbers myself, as you say...In this case, I do believe it could simply be the case of a competitive niche, however anything remotely profitable out there, is usually at least $0.50 per click, which is still quite pricy, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong...
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  • Profile picture of the author lenkablog
    Why my account all the Bing is disabling ad closing ? Is there anyway to avoid it ? Please can you help kindly any how?
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by lenkablog View Post

      Why my account all the Bing is disabling ad closing ? Is there anyway to avoid it ? Please can you help kindly any how?
      With only 2 lines of text, it is hard to know
      what is happening to your account.

      It is akin to visiting a doctor, he can't diagnosis
      your symptom just by knowing you have a fever.

      Give more description on what you have done
      before the accounts close down so we can help.
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  • Profile picture of the author deehi2130
    Solarwarrior,

    Someone mentioned you on the Internet on your blog, and I looked you up. I have to say, that this is the most that I have gotten from a thread on this forum ever!

    I appreciate your diligence and willingness to help others. I am about to purchase your course, because if you are providing this much content on a forum, the nitty gritty of your course has to be better! Thank you.

    I am a relative newbie(seeing that I haven't had a profitable campaign in the 3-4 months that I have been running affiliate marketing). I see a lot that i need to adjust to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by deehi2130 View Post

      Solarwarrior,

      Someone mentioned you on the Internet on your blog, and I looked you up. I have to say, that this is the most that I have gotten from a thread on this forum ever!

      I appreciate your diligence and willingness to help others. I am about to purchase your course, because if you are providing this much content on a forum, the nitty gritty of your course has to be better! Thank you.

      I am a relative newbie(seeing that I haven't had a profitable campaign in the 3-4 months that I have been running affiliate marketing). I see a lot that i need to adjust to do so.
      The key of my system is helping people first.

      If you don't give up, I won't give up on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omri Daniel
    Hey Solar - some great tips thanks for sharing with us, super awesome of you.

    When setting up a Bing campaign, the second step ('Ad groups & keywords) asks you to put in 'Your Webiste'. I put in my Clickmagick tracking link there (with /{keyword}/{adgroup}/{adid} at the end of it - which I assume is right?}.

    However, when it takes you to the stage where you actually create your Ad/Ad Text there is a box there titled 'Final URL' and whatever you put in this box displays on the Ad itself so I put the domain of the offer I'm promoting (to make it look nice and neat in the Ad) - hoping that when people click the Ad it would still go to my Clickmagick Tracking Link that I initially inserted in 'Your Website'.

    It didn't... It just takes them to the offer of my domain...

    Any ideas?

    Seriously can't figure it out unless I put my Clickmagick Tracking Link in the 'Final URL' box which would then show up on my actual Ad and just look unprofessional...

    Thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by Omri Daniel View Post

      Hey Solar - some great tips thanks for sharing with us, super awesome of you.

      When setting up a Bing campaign, the second step ('Ad groups & keywords) asks you to put in 'Your Webiste'. I put in my Clickmagick tracking link there (with /{keyword}/{adgroup}/{adid} at the end of it - which I assume is right?}.

      However, when it takes you to the stage where you actually create your Ad/Ad Text there is a box there titled 'Final URL' and whatever you put in this box displays on the Ad itself so I put the domain of the offer I'm promoting (to make it look nice and neat in the Ad) - hoping that when people click the Ad it would still go to my Clickmagick Tracking Link that I initially inserted in 'Your Website'.

      It didn't... It just takes them to the offer of my domain...

      Any ideas?

      Seriously can't figure it out unless I put my Clickmagick Tracking Link in the 'Final URL' box which would then show up on my actual Ad and just look unprofessional...

      Thanks in advance.
      You can simply switch to text ads to resolve this issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author moderns
    Many thanks for the awesome explanation. I had some success with Bing Ads in some verticals in USA. But the problem, not all verticals get a good volume of traffic and you are restricted to the USA traffic mainly.

    Would you please recommend good niches that get high volume of traffic on Bing and other countries other than USA?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by moderns View Post

      Many thanks for the awesome explanation. I had some success with Bing Ads in some verticals in USA. But the problem, not all verticals get a good volume of traffic and you are restricted to the USA traffic mainly.

      Would you please recommend good niches that get high volume of traffic on Bing and other countries other than USA?

      Thanks!
      wealth, relationship and health.

      UK & Canada works well for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior



    Bing has shifted to expanded text to increase conversion.

    One of the ways to increase conversion is by asking questions
    in the ads.

    Example:
    Are You Looking for Something? - We Have It!

    This is especially useful if you can't outbid your newly
    moved in competitors who seems to have a higher budget
    than you.

    I will discuss more strategies in the mail that I am going
    to send out in a few days.

    Keep a lookout for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Thanks very much for this guide and i want to ask you if i can invest low amounts of cash like 50 $ or 100$ per campaign .I am a beginer in affiliate marketing and i dont make so much money with free trafic to test paid campaigns
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Yes you can. Bing doesn't cost as much as Adwords.
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  • Profile picture of the author SERPTurbo
    Seems like this is the perfect thread to ask all my Bing/Clickbank questions - solarwarrior, thanks for keeping this thread active.

    I'm doing the classic Bing > landing page (pre-sell only, no opt-in) > sales page method, getting the sales, converting pretty well, 10/10 QS, 50% CTR on the landing page, but just struggling to make a profit, because my CPC for the current campaign is $1.20 and that keeps my ads in the top 3.

    Targeting US only (people in the target location) and bidding only on highly relevant keywords (phrase match) and also making use of broad match modifier to get some extra traffic from long-tails - total of 7 ad-groups, one for each keyword with perfect ads. Running daily reports for search terms and adding generic keywords into negatives list, so that keeps the overall traffic very relevant.

    Everything's fine, apart from the fact that I can't understand how you are supposed to make a profit bidding $1/click? Is this possible for Clickbank affiliates or better find a different niche?

    What would you say is your average CPC throughout your CB campaigns? Also wanted to know what you think about Bing/Yahoo search partners and whether you choose to go for max distribution for all search networks or you go for Bing/Yahoo only, or possibly search partners only?

    I'm trying to find someone who still promotes CB products as an affiliate via PPC and makes a profit in 2017, because since the $0.05 CPC days are gone, it's almost impossible nowadays to make a profit...
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    • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
      Originally Posted by SERPTurbo View Post

      Seems like this is the perfect thread to ask all my Bing/Clickbank questions - solarwarrior, thanks for keeping this thread active.

      I'm doing the classic Bing > landing page (pre-sell only, no opt-in) > sales page method, getting the sales, converting pretty well, 10/10 QS, 50% CTR on the landing page, but just struggling to make a profit, because my CPC for the current campaign is $1.20 and that keeps my ads in the top 3.

      Targeting US only (people in the target location) and bidding only on highly relevant keywords (phrase match) and also making use of broad match modifier to get some extra traffic from long-tails - total of 7 ad-groups, one for each keyword with perfect ads. Running daily reports for search terms and adding generic keywords into negatives list, so that keeps the overall traffic very relevant.

      Everything's fine, apart from the fact that I can't understand how you are supposed to make a profit bidding $1/click? Is this possible for Clickbank affiliates or better find a different niche?

      What would you say is your average CPC throughout your CB campaigns? Also wanted to know what you think about Bing/Yahoo search partners and whether you choose to go for max distribution for all search networks or you go for Bing/Yahoo only, or possibly search partners only?

      I'm trying to find someone who still promotes CB products as an affiliate via PPC and makes a profit in 2017, because since the $0.05 CPC days are gone, it's almost impossible nowadays to make a profit...
      1) What is the payout per sale?
      2) What is the gravity of the product?
      3) What is the CTR on your ads?
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      • Profile picture of the author SERPTurbo
        Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

        1) What is the payout per sale?
        2) What is the gravity of the product?
        3) What is the CTR on your ads?
        1) The basic payout is approximately $25 per sale, however the product has 2-3 upsells, so there's an opportunity to make almost $80-90 per sale in an ideal scenario.

        2) It's a well-established product, which has been in the marketplace for many years, the gravity varies from 80-100, so I have no concerns about its conversion rates, as from my experience it converts very well, including upsells.

        3) My lowest CTR is 3% and the highest is 14% - I don't think I have any issues on CTR side.

        As far as I understand, my problem is the high CPC, because I can't see how you can bid $1 per click and make a profit, even if you have perfect landers, ads, promoting high-gravity products with upsells, etc.

        Also, as below, I wanted to know whether you bother targeting Bing/Yahoo search partners or you focus on Bing/Yahoo search ONLY? And what's your average CPC, because I struggle to believe anyone makes a profit promoting CB products, while paying $1+ per click...

        However, on other hand, how you are supposed to get any decent traffic bidding 10, 20 or 30 cents per click, because you hardly get any impressions if you try to go very low on your bids.

        Thanks for your help
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  • Profile picture of the author Joey Babbs
    Bing is where I started and I love it. I made most of my money promoting watch TV offers.....it's a goldmine for affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjoet3324
    this is a great thread and definitely one of the best ones I've seen on here. Solarwarrior do you have a mailing list I could join to read some of your tips or newsletters?
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    How to dominate Bing with competitors on BIG budget

    1. Offer a USP
    Be it having a better quality or extra features, state it in your ad so it stands out from the rest.
    I have seen similar ads who are copying each other and wonder why they are not getting any clicks.

    2. Throw a bonus
    Alright, so everyone is promoting the same "make money online" book. How does a reader decide whether to go for your offer?

    => Making the deal sweeter.

    You can offer video or audio recording that offer greater value than the book.
    Go the extra mile and you will be way ahead of other affiliates.

    3. Work on your CTR
    If your ads are getting low CTR, ask yourself why.
    Could it be your ad position?
    Could it be your ad copy?

    These 3 principles may seem simple but it has work wonders for many of my readers.

    I will post new updates once I have the time to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author beautyuno1
      "Offer a USP
      Be it having a better q..."


      What is USP?
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      • Profile picture of the author Reddevil007
        Originally Posted by beautyuno1 View Post

        "Offer a USP
        Be it having a better q..."


        What is USP?
        Unique Selling Point my man
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Thank you very much for this advices .Now i will give it a try to bing
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