[Journey]Going from 0 to 50$ a day steady profit with Bing and CB!

by dimager2003 96 replies
So I was out of the IM game for a long time, finished it with some PPV successes and quit because I went studying Computer Science. But now I am after the college with normal job and my goal is to FIRE my boss and live a nomadic style for some time traveling Asia and financing this travel through IM and freelancing.

My starting point:
Have experience in Article marketing, PPV and some PPC - but not much.

So I submitted my first campaign on Bing few minutes ago. It is in the health niche.
- 5 Keyword Groups - around 12 keywords in each, phrase match only.
- 2 Ads for every keyword group
- 2 Different landing pages- completely different
- Prosper202 is used for advanced tracking - no cent will be spent without collecting data.

Bid- the product commission is 25$ so I bid 25 cent on all the keywords.
Budget - set 12$ daily and let it run for 7 days as a test, no coupons used here.

My expectation from this campaign?
I expect for 10-20 buck daily profit from it and then will see how I can scale it up!

Tomorrow I am going to check and see that the campaign is a live and running without any issues.

After 3 days I am going to do some optimization, remove the keywords that did not receive enough traffic.

So right now this campaign is at the testing the water stage. I know the niche suppose to convert because I made a lot of sales from it with Bum Marketing technique, but still must test.

So wish me luck.

In a week I am going to submit another campaign and see what's going on there.

P.S
I am using the Solar Warrior guide mixed with the thing I remember, and no he did not ask me to write it here and I am not getting anything for it.
#pay per click/search engine marketing (ppc/sem) #back #years
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  • Profile picture of the author Hearn
    Ok keep us updated. I am not as optimistic as you but we will see. Do you send the visitors directly to the sales page?
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Generally, the health niche is very competitive, so you might not get many clicks or impressions by bidding $0.25 on all keywords.

      Is the offer for certain countries only or for worldwide?
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well the campaign is active for less then 12 hours now - it got 32 clicks, still no sales of course,the average cpc is 29 cents. going to wait till having around 100 clicks so I can make some optimizations for this one. I already can see which ad group has the most clicks and LP optimization must be performed for it to warm the visitors up.

    Till next update
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well few minutes ago I got a yellow mark on almost all of my keywords which says that my bid is not enough for the first page. The bids they are suggesting are way too high for anything to be profitable. I am not going to raise my bids and see what happen next.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    OK another update which is not that good - I received a low quality score on all of the keywords and the main reason is "Landing page experience". this is very odd because I have a lot of content on the website, no autoplay stuff and a good page load time (I checked with a page load time app that said my website is i top 17%).

    I don't really know what to do next - anybody has any idea? I dont care to share in private my niche and the lander...
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      OK another update which is not that good - I received a low quality score on all of the keywords and the main reason is "Landing page experience". this is very odd because I have a lot of content on the website, no autoplay stuff and a good page load time (I checked with a page load time app that said my website is i top 17%).

      I don't really know what to do next - anybody has any idea? I dont care to share in private my niche and the lander...
      Is the content on your landing page original?
      How many advertising links do you have on your lander?
      Does your landing page have a entry/exit popup?
      Does your landing page have a contact page and a privacy policy?
      Are your ads highly relevant to your landing page content?
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      • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        Is the content on your landing page original?
        How many advertising links do you have on your lander?
        Does your landing page have a entry/exit popup?
        Does your landing page have a contact page and a privacy policy?
        Are your ads highly relevant to your landing page content?
        1 - 2 outgoing links to the product
        2 - no popups
        3 - yes, and also an about page and a disclaimer page
        4 - this one is actually something I suspect. It is relevant, but not 100% I believe
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  • Profile picture of the author jipolis7
    Maybe the problem is you have too much content on the landing page. This doesn't have to be crowded and has to tease people into taking a closer look at your site/campaign/product.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    The problem with Bing is that usually you don't get much traffic. It is usually around one tenth of Google Adwords. However, Adwords is very dangerous for affiliate marketing, especially with Clickbank products. The only stuff that is relatively safe with Adwords are mainstream physical products.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    OK. Don't have any good news - I got 178 clicks, 53$ spent and still no sales. I am going back to research stage with this one campaign because I know for sure there is money to be made.

    My LPs' CTR is horrible, I got only 65~ clicks to the product page and I think there is my main failure. I am going to pause it for day or 2 until I finish the research, connect with the audience and only then I will rewrite my page. Something is not clicking there and I must fix it or this campaign goes to toilet.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    So after deep analyzing I understand the issue - most of the traffic comes from mobile and app. My website is not optimized for it but worst - the vendor's website is also not optimized for it and personally they both look pretty ugly even on High resolution mobile device. I have to think what I am going to do with this info and If I want to keep fighting for that campaign or just f*ck it. All the products in this niche do not have optimized pages and that is making my decision even harder. Will update in a few days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hearn
    Can you make an ad only for desktop? Do they even have that option? Also did you chose only Bing search engine? The other content sources are even lower quality..I saw all sort of dubious websites as referer when I forgot to check that. You get some of those even if you check Bing only.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Of course I checked Bing only. But a lot of people do the search from online device. Biggest problem if you turn it off(I have no idea how but I can ask the support) the traffic will be pretty low and I am not sure I even want to deal with this kind of traffic. It is just too long to optimize!
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  • Profile picture of the author Olavski
    Why not just create a course? I mean, after studying computer science there must be something you can make a course about? Then just brand it in 2 different products, 1 for Udemy. com and the second for a clickbank like product. Takes some time to make, but if youhave time to travel, you have most certainly time to work more...
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    bing is not that hard to master.

    With bing, make sure you do not use google tools, keywords

    use bing keyword tool.

    Then make sure your keywords are in your ads, headlines, copy and headlines on your website and just above your optin page.

    Make everything congruent, for the user from the time they enter their keywords to optin, and and get what they expect.

    Trust me, I do big numbers, and bing is awesome, after money I have spent, these are the best secrets for you.

    Video on optin pages seems to outpull, so try that maybe?
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    • Profile picture of the author MooreSuccess
      Great Information and thanks for sharing your experience.

      I was running some Bing & CB campaigns but stopped to get more information since they wasn't converting as I liked.
      This thread just taught me to just keep on trying.

      One question I have ism, are you designing your landing pages yourself or do you use a company like landing pages, etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    I now you probably decided I quit, but I didn't. I ran a lot of failed campaigns and one of them gave me some conversions. This campaign has no future because the only converting keyword (and the only one that got good traffic) is absolutely not profitable and not going to be because it is general and pretty costy.

    If someone cares it was a gaming offer - Animal Jam.

    After trying to avoid it for so long - I am going to build a list in an evergreen niche which is in the health market. Right now I am working on my LPs - I want to split test at least 3 of them, and they must be totally different.

    OK, so I will let you know ho it goes
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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    For me bidding 25 cent is too much. Can you try using different keywords with lesser bids but receive more clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well, long time without updates but I did not give up. It was just a little harder then I thought but here are first signs of a campaign that will probably be successful



    Probably going to update more frequently from now on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hearn
    Great job! I like that you didn't give up to quickly, that's one of my main weaknesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author silveroaks
    well thats the dream! travelling the world while you have a constant stream of income rolling in. and you do not have to be grounded at one place to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Alright the things are going pretty good right now
    I have only one campaign running but have 5 ideas in the queue. Going to submit "thin" campaigns for these niches and put them on early testing.

    The current campaign is in the optimization level of keywords, it has a good CTR (14% stable) and pretty low cpc so it is not losing money but hardly making any. But since there is not enough data to make real optimization decisions I want it to run for at least 600$ so I can chop off all the non converting keywords, and get it to make me some money. I do not expect too much of it - 300$ profit a months will be enough since I am not building a list. Scaling big on one campaign at Bing is a little hard because of the low search volumes in most niches, and going for very competitive ones (weight loss, make money and etc...) can wait a little.

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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Great news everybody

    Since my last update I submitted 2 more thin campaigns for testing.
    One of them was an immediate failure because I saw that with the CPC I am willing to pay will bring me very little traffic so I paused it until I want to expiriement again in this niche.

    The second one was submitted today and got me a sale about an hour ago Although it was a downsale and the payment was a little smaller, this campaign shows some potential

    The first one runs great, it is profitable right now and bring me a sale every day but as I said before - I need more data to make it complete so until the end of the months I will not make any optimizations on it at all.

    Getting another campaign ready but don't know if I want to submit it untill the picture gets more clear with the campaign #2 so I think I will take my time. Rush is my biggest enemy and I am not falling in this trap, once I see few more sales from the #2 I will submit the third one. Still long way to my main goal but I am not giving up

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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Great progress.

    Are you following the same bidding strategy as you outlined in your opening post i.e. bidding $0.25 if the commission is $25, or are you using a different strategy now?
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      Great progress.

      Are you following the same bidding strategy as you outlined in your opening post i.e. bidding $0.25 if the commission is $25, or are you using a different strategy now?
      No but I am trying to make my CPC a 1% out of one sale.

      Other news:


      The second campaign I submitted few days ago made another 4 sales (5 sales at all) so it is likely to be a winner. I am going to get my first check soon

      Next step is to submit 2 more thin campaigns and see the results September is supposed to be great month!

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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    hey great job


    your doing well!


    I am a bit late to this thread but are you using a lander?


    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well I submitted 3 more campaigns, 2 of them were immediate failure but the third one showed me some love today and gave me a sale So I am keeping this one although it will probably be pretty slow from what I see (20-30 clicks a day before chopping off the non converting traffic).

    The second campaign rocks - 259 in one week, I believe 140 profit. I have days with 3 sales from it alone and I imagine myself having 5 of these - 15 sales a day!

    The hardest thing for me is to concentrate on the next thing I have to do without digging the campaigns I already have. I find myself worried when the sales from one campaign getting slow and it makes much harder for me to work on the next thing. But I am trying to give my best, I remember the real goal and it is to travel the word while maling money from PPC. Here is the current state of my cli9ckbank account - you can see the new campaign sale from 2 hours ago

    Have few ideas in the queue as always, going to work on the next one right now before I fall a sleep
    Hope it will be ready tomorrow.


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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      That's real good consistancy.

      1. Approx how many keywords do you use per campaign?

      2. Are those sales from via list building or sending visitors from your lander straight to the vendors landing page?

      3. What was the main thing you did to improve your LP's CTR?
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      • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        That's real good consistancy.

        1. Approx how many keywords do you use per campaign?

        2. Are those sales from via list building or sending visitors from your lander straight to the vendors landing page?

        3. What was the main thing you did to improve your LP's CTR?
        1. I use somewhere between 3 - 5 keyword groups and every one has 5-8 keywords. I depends on the niche.

        2. I do not bui8ld a list right now because I have zero knowledge in monetizing it, so all these sales are from simple lander.

        3. The main thing is to point out the benefits they will have from getting the ebook.

        Let's say I am trying to presell a Sciatica ebook. The failed lander pointed out things like
        - 100% natural remedy
        - 8 minutes a day
        - no exercise

        and the winner lander talked about:

        - Eliminate the shootin pain in the leg
        - Never feel disabled again
        - Get back to living a normal life
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    OK, so the campaign#3 that made me it's first sale on 27 Aug gave me another 2 sales so we are good

    I submitted one more campaign since then - it sucked and I failed to bring in enough traffic. Going for the next one.

    By the way - I got my first 100$ day today.



    By the way - any idea why the pics are upload with so bad quality? Any chance to improve it without using my own host?
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      By the way - any idea why the pics are upload with so bad quality? Any chance to improve it without using my own host?
      The images are bad quality because they are in JPEG format.

      The WF's image attachment doesn't work properly, as it goes to a login screen if you click on the thumbnail. You could use postimage.org to upload images.
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  • Profile picture of the author kasmanishafi
    what about match types? only exact?
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  • Profile picture of the author kasmanishafi
    Nice sales! you started health product of clickbank!

    I tried to promoted bing ads but spent loss and two sales and Now i am not satisfied for my campaigns so I need to learn expert more strategies

    i ask you for need perfect proper way to make campaign?

    how many keywords per campaign and per group?

    how many bid per cost both exact and phrase?

    how many countries? name countries?

    how many group per campaign? what will you make group?

    how many ads per campaign? how many ads in per group?

    Need demographies- age, gender and device? best which device? and schedule?

    Will i enable manual bid or enchaned bid?
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by kasmanishafi View Post

      Nice sales! you started health product of clickbank!

      I tried to promoted bing ads but spent loss and two sales and Now i am not satisfied for my campaigns so I need to learn expert more strategies

      i ask you for need perfect proper way to make campaign?

      how many keywords per campaign and per group?

      how many bid per cost both exact and phrase?

      how many countries? name countries?

      how many group per campaign? what will you make group?

      how many ads per campaign? how many ads in per group?

      Need demographies- age, gender and device? best which device? and schedule?

      Will i enable manual bid or enchaned bid?
      I have usually 3 - 5 groups with few keywords in it, my last campaign had groups with only one 2 keywords.

      bid - I try to bid low but if I see there is no traffic I will increase to see if I can collect some data - usually I bid 1% of the sale at the start. I start with phrase match only

      countries - US only, when see sales I also go for Canada, Ausralia and UK

      Demographics - not at the start unless it too obvious, I would not try to sell menopause product to men.

      Devices - I exclude the phones.

      How many ads - 2 ads at the start for each group.

      Bid is manual only.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    1. Do you use dynamic text in your ads or do your ads get a good CTR without this?

    2. Do you use a separate landing page for each ad group to improve the QS or do you use just one lander for each campaign?
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      1. Do you use dynamic text in your ads or do your ads get a good CTR without this?

      2. Do you use a separate landing page for each ad group to improve the QS or do you use just one lander for each campaign?
      1. No I don't use dynamic text in ads
      2. 2 landers per ad group, but if they click through alright and the campaign makes money I will probably not touch it untill every one of them has at least 600 clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author asmaralee
    You should definitely include mobile phones as a device where your ads will be shown. I get a lot of cheap traffic from mobile only. And it converts as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author kasmanishafi
      Originally Posted by asmaralee View Post

      You should definitely include mobile phones as a device where your ads will be shown. I get a lot of cheap traffic from mobile only. And it converts as well!
      Oh really? Did you get sales or your affiliate for mobile phones?
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  • Profile picture of the author snam23
    Just getting started with Bing PPC/Affiliate marketing so this has been great to read!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Great info . . . good things to know.

    And a good example of how a LOT of testing is necessary to succeed at this kind of thing . . . a lot of newbies do a very small test, "fail" and quit, instead of understanding that you need to try a lot of options, and optimize and improve etc.

    thanks !

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  • Profile picture of the author wayne3612
    That's impressive to see the breakdown what product and click bank did you promote and was a seriously limited amount of keywords
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Alright guys long time without updates .

    Well, right now I am working mainly on scaling up the 3 campaigns that are working from me. I am definitely not done with them and I believe there is a lot of potential in them. Right now my sales get better and better, more and more I start to see over 100$ days.

    Last month was a little bad. I spend 700$ on ppc and got 45 sales and 2 refunds, that is around 1030$ income so 330$ earnings.
    This months looks much more promising since I am starting to scale up and I believe my goal will be easily reached with these 3 campaigns. Once I am done with scaling up I can start more and more campaigns with much better success chances since my confidence will be much higher in what I am doing.

    This is how the last months look



    These are today stats

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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Had my best day ever today 176$

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    • Profile picture of the author qmenaq
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Had my best day ever today 176$

      Hi, how have you done this way for sales
      Is used when Hoplink the sales link with Bing
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    • Profile picture of the author qmenaq
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Had my best day ever today 176$



      Hello there
      How did you find the keywords for sale
      Which nich sites have you used
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  • Profile picture of the author pango9102
    Great job! Question for you, I have 80 clicks on one product so far and no sales. How many clicks more before I should start looking for another product? Would appreciate any help!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zachmode
    I gotta say, this is an encouraging thread. I'm excited for you! I've learned first hand this isn't easy and it takes quite of bit of work and research.

    I've ran one campaign that was a failure after testing 3 landing pages and 5 ads. 180 clicks in I paused it. My ads seemed good, my landing pages were probably the problem, idk. Maybe the clickbank product just had a crappy sales page too.

    I'm in the middle of my 2nd campaign now, but it seems to be really slow going for traffic. I'm on day 2 and only 35 clicks in... Got my first sale direct linking on this one so now I'm building a few landing pages to split test.

    Do you mind sharing what type of info you are putting on your landing pages? Bullet points of benefits? A short review? I think this is were I could use the most help. I probably need to hit higher search volume niches/products too.
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by Zachmode View Post

      I gotta say, this is an encouraging thread. I'm excited for you! I've learned first hand this isn't easy and it takes quite of bit of work and research.

      I've ran one campaign that was a failure after testing 3 landing pages and 5 ads. 180 clicks in I paused it. My ads seemed good, my landing pages were probably the problem, idk. Maybe the clickbank product just had a crappy sales page too.

      I'm in the middle of my 2nd campaign now, but it seems to be really slow going for traffic. I'm on day 2 and only 35 clicks in... Got my first sale direct linking on this one so now I'm building a few landing pages to split test.

      Do you mind sharing what type of info you are putting on your landing pages? Bullet points of benefits? A short review? I think this is were I could use the most help. I probably need to hit higher search volume niches/products too.
      When I throw in a campaign only for checking I do not trouble myself with question like low traffic and stuff like that because everything (almosty) can be scaled up by increasing bids and improving CTR.

      About the landing page - this one is extremeley simple. I leared the LP design from the Neil Moran's 1$ WSO. Shortly - it has a header in style like "Suffering from ******? Discover the best ****** remedy that will help you to get rid of ******** in 24 hours". Of course if the product sales page does not say anything about 24 hours relieve then you put something else like Naturally or Once And For All.

      Bullet points are easy - you just metion the benefits of getting rid of the problem but you have to make sure that the Sales page of the products will mention the same benefits so the potentiasl client will trust you.

      And you have a picture that should that the viewer can relate to it, If you sell a sciatica product then put a picture of someone who struggles with sciatica. Big button and that's it.

      Right now I did not even expiriment with serios LP split test since what I do in the first place works fine, so I decided to build around 5-7 working campaigns and then I will look for some paid counselor that will help me to increase the conversion rate. So everything I tell you here is from my own pretty inexpirienced point of view, but it works and good enough right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliscope
    This is one of the most inspirational "journey" threads I've ever read. Thank you for continuing to update this thread and keep us posted!

    Like you, I dabbled in IM a while back and then went off to college (also in Computer Science!). Now that I'm done and working, I'm ready to re-live the IM lifestyle for good! So, I'm going to follow you closely and hopefully mimic your success!

    I do have couple of questions though:

    1) Are you designing your own LPs? If so, what do you use? Instabuilder?
    2) What do you use for tracking?
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by affiliscope View Post

      This is one of the most inspirational "journey" threads I've ever read. Thank you for continuing to update this thread and keep us posted!

      Like you, I dabbled in IM a while back and then went off to college (also in Computer Science!). Now that I'm done and working, I'm ready to re-live the IM lifestyle for good! So, I'm going to follow you closely and hopefully mimic your success!

      I do have couple of questions though:

      1) Are you designing your own LPs? If so, what do you use? Instabuilder?
      2) What do you use for tracking?
      1) I designed one single draft and I switch the content for every new campaign, but the basic design - colors, sizes, positions of the elements and even the checkmarks images stay absolutely the same the same. I Do not use InstaBuilder but I probably should.

      2) I use prosper202 installed on my own hosting.

      Thanks for good words, makes me more motivated thenever
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    • Profile picture of the author jjb868
      What were you promoting, offers from clickbank or something? Sorry if I missed it if you said earlier.
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    • Profile picture of the author PrinceHector
      Thanks for sharing your journey with us.

      One quick question: I have got 300 clicks with no sale for a weight loss product, I am using direct linking and the overall quality score is very good. Should I start looking for a different product to promote?

      And we are waiting for your next update
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      • Profile picture of the author aizaku
        Originally Posted by PrinceHector View Post

        Thanks for sharing your journey with us.

        One quick question: I have got 300 clicks with no sale for a weight loss product, I am using direct linking and the overall quality score is very good. Should I start looking for a different product to promote?
        it could be a lot of things

        but first thing i'd check if there are any leaks on the aff sales page,

        make sure it's a reputable product

        -Ike Paz
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    • Profile picture of the author HarrySingh
      hi mate have you ever tried any other PPV network wherein you will get good cb conversions with less cpc say $0.01?
      I sailing in the same boat... facing all the challenges which you have faced. but i am not relying on bing it seems me bit costly for a start.
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      • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
        Originally Posted by HarrySingh View Post

        hi mate have you ever tried any other PPV network wherein you will get good cb conversions with less cpc say $0.01?
        I sailing in the same boat... facing all the challenges which you have faced. but i am not relying on bing it seems me bit costly for a start.
        In the last weeks I am starting to look over media bying because it is much more scalable and you can earn on lower payout offers such as games/email submits.

        I do not want to give up on Bing though sometimes thinking that without a list it is a big challange to make some serious money. On STM you can ready a lot of cases where guys scale up from 20$/day to over 1000$ per day with mobile simple because they have a lot of places to buy traffic from., so they test on small budget and when they hit a spot they it is no brainer to scale it up although it is a lot of work.
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        • Profile picture of the author aizaku
          Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

          In the last weeks I am starting to look over media bying because it is much more scalable and you can earn on lower payout offers such as games/email submits.

          they are nothing a like.

          PPV is interruption marketing

          in PPC, your traffic is actually looking for you.

          and quality cheap PPV traffic is not as common as you may think

          -Ike Paz
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    • Profile picture of the author PrinceHector
      Hi dimager2003...

      Any updates..? Did broad match work for you?
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      best of luck, cant wait to read about your update in a couple of months.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Actually nothing good, the sales dropped hard the day the Hurricane Matthew hit and hardly recovered. I had 3 campaigns that were doing pretty good but now I left with 2 that show no signs of recovery to the normal income level.

    I am also rethinking the strategy, basically what I did untill now is sort of "scavanging" niche campaigns in a non competetive, but pretty small niches. Now I am looking to get into bigger market where it is possible to do a 100-200$ a day from 1 subniche campaign. I want to get involved in 1 market, learn it and stick with it and now I am considering what would it be (weght loss, diabetes, Arthritis are in review). I plan to stick with PPC only for now since I have a lot more to learn.

    I also need to learn Landing page optomization and basic design, because my landing pages suck and I don't think I can compete in the big markets like that.

    Another reason for no updates is because our Israel post services suck, I did not get yet even the first check from clickbank, alhough it was sent 3 week ago and my cashflow status is not promising.

    Well, here are the updates. I promise to keep this thread alive and hope there will be some good things to update
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    really cool thread,

    when do u plan on starting on the bigger niches?

    -Ike Paz
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

      really cool thread,

      when do u plan on starting on the bigger niches?

      -Ike Paz
      I am not rushing since I still did not even get the first check from cb (3 were sent already) because of the super efficient and competetive Israeli post services, so I am about to run out of cashflow. But once this is fugured out I will squeeze the gas pedal again and everything will be smooth
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      • Profile picture of the author priyadarshana
        Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

        I am not rushing since I still did not even get the first check from cb (3 were sent already) because of the super efficient and competetive Israeli post services, so I am about to run out of cashflow. But once this is fugured out I will squeeze the gas pedal again and everything will be smooth
        Why don't you use Payoneer to get a US virtual bank account? I get CB payments through ACH transfer. It is very fast and usually I get paid within 24 hours.

        You are in the right direction. In fact, you have the persistence and consistency that almost most marketers don't have.

        You could earn even more if you built your email list.

        Chamal.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well, today I paused the last 2 campaigns I had since they only spend money right now. I am looking for answers and not sitting still, I will probably not update here for a few weeks until I will get everything in place in my head because now I see that although I had some profits and have some potential, there is still a mess in my head about what works, why it works and how to make it better.

    Well, till next update
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Well, today I paused the last 2 campaigns I had since they only spend money right now. I am looking for answers and not sitting still, I will probably not update here for a few weeks until I will get everything in place in my head because now I see that although I had some profits and have some potential, there is still a mess in my head about what works, why it works and how to make it better.

      Well, till next update
      best of luck,

      why not squeeze pages instead of just landing pages

      that way you can market to your subs as long as they are on your list.

      -Ike Paz
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      • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
        Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

        best of luck,

        why not squeeze pages instead of just landing pages

        that way you can market to your subs as long as they are on your list.

        -Ike Paz
        Well, I don't have a good answer for that one actually except of that I did not want to deal with a list at that point. I just have no idea how to maintain one, building is not the biggest issue, maintaining is. I am pretty sure I can reach ,y goal without a list but in future I will build one for sure.
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        • Profile picture of the author aizaku
          Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

          Well, I don't have a good answer for that one actually except of that I did not want to deal with a list at that point. I just have no idea how to maintain one, building is not the biggest issue, maintaining is. I am pretty sure I can reach ,y goal without a list but in future I will build one for sure.

          got ya,

          looking forward to ur update in the future.

          take care,
          Ike Paz
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well, I've been reading a lot of material in the last few days trying to alanyze where the heck I messed up and what's wrong with my campaigns and maybe the whole attitude to the Affiliate Marketing. I came up with few conclusions and decided to share them with you:

    1. Number one is the greatest because it actually is going to change the whole work plan and it is - campaigns have a limited life span and you never know when they are going to be profitable. I was kind of denying this fact, although I knew it. I guess I had to hear/read it from an authority IM figure to actually accept it. Don''t know why, probably because I think I am a smart *ss. So from know on the gameplan is simple - milk the last cent from this campaign as long as you can!

    2. Playing in small pools - this one is also shocked me a little bit because since I ever did AM I was with the attitude that the money is in the niches. WRONG! Money is in big markets with wide appeal. Since every campaign is going to stop converting or being profitable, in big money markets you can scale it up a lot while it's still alive and keep yourself a nice profit.

    3. Not scaling up what I had - My best campaign was around 200 clicks a day on average but I acted like a coward and did not scale it up. I should have let all its keywords run on broad match the day I understood this is going to make me money but instead I played it safe because I though its going to bring me money for a long time. What a foolish decision!

    4. Not testing enough landing pages and not split testing the key elements in them to increase convertion rates. This happened actually because I know very little about buildng good landing pages. I build mine from examples I have seen but knew very little what elements were most important, creating trust and all the stuuf that makes the sales come in. I actually lost a lot of money because of this.

    Well, these are the lessons I learned. Keep working from here. I'll update
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      1. Number one is the greatest because it actually is going to change the whole work plan and it is - campaigns have a limited life span and you never know when they are going to be profitable. I was kind of denying this fact, although I knew it. I guess I had to hear/read it from an authority IM figure to actually accept it. Don''t know why, probably because I think I am a smart *ss. So from know on the gameplan is simple - milk the last cent from this campaign as long as you can!
      I can attest to this,

      I ran a profitable pay per lead offer in the job's market on 50onred/PPV (over a year ago)

      but before it could get profitable i tested a lot to find the perfect match:

      traffic target/ landing page/ offer

      i had the landing pages and offers all rotating on various target domains until i isolated a profitable combination. I used my own tracker and rotator on a VPS.

      2 months later.. that winning combination started not to be a winning combination...

      so i stopped it..

      best of luck,
      Ike Paz
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    Thanks for an interesting thread. Recently, I gave up on Bing and Clickbank. I have previously earned more than $10,000 in commissions with Clickbank using PPC. I found that the greatest was what you stated in 1. I found the the campaigns had a limited lifespan, far more limited than campaigns in Maxbounty, Shareasale, and Commission Junction. Another frustration was that Bing does not bring a lot of traffic and that makes it difficult to optimize.

    So far, my experience with landing pages have been disappointing when compared with direct linking. It is not that my landing page was not converting, it was that I was getting a markedly reduced CTR even if the ads were identical. It seems that people are recognizing the merchant's domain and were more likely to click on a direct link ad.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well, I registered on StackThatMoney forum and I am learning from there a lot.

    The first thing I understood there is completely reversed to what I was thinking till today -
    BROAD match is good thing, use it! This is basically the quickest way to build big campaigns that will pay for all the failed ones. So once you see a sale or two in a niche - go broad, don't be afraid!

    These guys run PPV campaigns for 40$ CPAs on NETWORK. This is how you make money, every other way will never open the full potential of a campaign and will get you stuck in the XX zone for campaign,that will die as quick as the big campaigns and leave you with peanuts.

    They also do not guess which product will sale, they usually rotate few of them, which by the way were picked with Affiliate manager help.

    And they always play in markets which have a lot of offers to choose from.

    This is the update, I know this is not the best time to start any campaign in the health niche since all the holidays come soon and people could not care less about their hemorrhoids (lol) but I will think about starting one after clickbank will send me all my money through wire transfer and my cash flow will be full again! This time all my conclusions will apply!
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Well, I registered on StackThatMoney forum and I am learning from there a lot.

      The first thing I understood there is completely reversed to what I was thinking till today -
      BROAD match is good thing, use it! This is basically the quickest way to build big campaigns that will pay for all the failed ones. So once you see a sale or two in a niche - go broad, don't be afraid!

      These guys run PPV campaigns for 40$ CPAs on NETWORK. This is how you make money, every other way will never open the full potential of a campaign and will get you stuck in the XX zone for campaign,that will die as quick as the big campaigns and leave you with peanuts.

      They also do not guess which product will sale, they usually rotate few of them, which by the way were picked with Affiliate manager help.

      And they always play in markets which have a lot of offers to choose from.

      This is the update, I know this is not the best time to start any campaign in the health niche since all the holidays come soon and people could not care less about their hemorrhoids (lol) but I will think about starting one after clickbank will send me all my money through wire transfer and my cash flow will be full again! This time all my conclusions will apply!
      When they said Broad match is a good thing, were they specifically talking about Bing ads? I ask because Broad match on Bing works differently than Broad on AdWords for instance.

      The guys who are running PPV campaigns for $40, what sort of landers are they using? Is it a regular sales page or some other angle?
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      • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
        Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

        When they said Broad match is a good thing, were they specifically talking about Bing ads? I ask because Broad match on Bing works differently than Broad on AdWords for instance.

        The guys who are running PPV campaigns for $40, what sort of landers are they using? Is it a regular sales page or some other angle?
        Very simple LP actually. And of course they leave only the converting domains after the Ron On Network test.

        About the broad match - I believe they use modified broad match.
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  • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
    Broad targeting works if you know what you are doing.

    Most people went broke cause their campaign are not targeted
    to the poorly defined keywords which cause quality score to drop.

    Some of the well converting keywords are tagged as bad keywords
    as a result of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

      Broad targeting works if you know what you are doing.

      Most people went broke cause their campaign are not targeted
      to the poorly defined keywords which cause quality score to drop.

      Some of the well converting keywords are tagged as bad keywords
      as a result of that.
      Thats a good point - because guys who do that, and in the end don't go broke, have a lot of skills and pretty deep pockets. Loosing 500$ for someone who wants to earn 200$/day on paid traffic should not be a big deal. So if someone can not afford losing hundreds or thousands before getting the campaign profitable - broad match is not a good plan.

      In next camapaign I will use broad match once I see some sales with phrase, will be interesting to see what volume and quality of traffic I can get and what keywords I will find
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

      Broad targeting works if you know what you are doing.

      Most people went broke cause their campaign are not targeted
      to the poorly defined keywords which cause quality score to drop.

      Some of the well converting keywords are tagged as bad keywords
      as a result of that.

      Thanks for chiming in,

      I remember reading your original post that broad match wasn't the way to go:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/pay-per-...-day-bing.html

      would you also advise that he capture leads instead of just using landing pages?

      Thanks,
      Ike Paz
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      • Profile picture of the author solarwarrior
        Originally Posted by aizaku View Post

        Thanks for chiming in,

        I remember reading your original post that broad match wasn't the way to go:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/pay-per-...-day-bing.html

        would you also advise that he capture leads instead of just using landing pages?

        Thanks,
        Ike Paz
        Broad match is not suitable for newbies cause
        many of them suffer quality score due to poor
        targeting and irrelevant keywords.

        I would recommend starting with exact, moving
        on to phrase and lastly broad if your campaign need
        more volume and it has works better for my students.
        (I know a lot of gurus in this industry taught the other way)

        I wouldn't advise sticking to capturing leads
        or using landing pages only.

        It really depends on the niche,

        For example, if your audience have to lose fat before
        their impending marriage, capturing leads will be impractical
        since they want solution asap.

        However, if they are only looking to lose fat in the near future
        (like a new year resolution), then capturing leads will be more
        sensible since they will lose motivation and focus later on their goals.

        Hence, there isn't always a fixed rule to everything in marketing.

        The only way to break out of the trench is to innovate and
        understand your audience better than your competitors.

        I hope this simple explanation helps.
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        • Profile picture of the author aizaku
          Originally Posted by solarwarrior View Post

          Broad match is not suitable for newbies cause
          many of them suffer quality score due to poor
          targeting and irrelevant keywords.

          I would recommend starting with exact, moving
          on to phrase and lastly broad if your campaign need
          more volume and it has works better for my students.
          (I know a lot of gurus in this industry taught the other way)

          I wouldn't advise sticking to capturing leads
          or using landing pages only.

          It really depends on the niche,

          For example, if your audience have to lose fat before
          their impending marriage, capturing leads will be impractical
          since they want solution asap.

          However, if they are only looking to lose fat in the near future
          (like a new year resolution), then capturing leads will be more
          sensible since they will lose motivation and focus later on their goals.

          Hence, there isn't always a fixed rule to everything in marketing.

          The only way to break out of the trench is to innovate and
          understand your audience better than your competitors.

          I hope this simple explanation helps.
          Thanks for clarifying, it helped a lot..

          -Ike Paz
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    Hi, can you share the Landing Page you are using we download. I can't seem to get a good LP to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Just wanted to say I did not quit this journey. On 9 Nov I supposed to get my payment with wire and then back to the business

    I am going to test the broad match and see how it works, since I got wires now the cashflow issue should be over and that means I will be able to scale up much harder. The only doubt I have is the timing - don't know if this timing is the best for clickbank products since all the holydays are at the door.

    Well, we'll live and see but I definetely did not quit - I am more motivated then ever!
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Just wanted to say I did not quit this journey. On 9 Nov I supposed to get my payment with wire and then back to the business

      I am going to test the broad match and see how it works, since I got wires now the cashflow issue should be over and that means I will be able to scale up much harder. The only doubt I have is the timing - don't know if this timing is the best for clickbank products since all the holydays are at the door.

      Well, we'll live and see but I definetely did not quit - I am more motivated then ever!
      looking forward to it.

      best of luck,
      Ike Paz
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    I am back Had my first sale yesterday while applaying the broad match strategy

    Today I am going to activate my old campaign that was getting me around 150 clicks a day - but now I want to scale it up. Then I am going to see how I can scale up the new campaign - find more keyowrds and see what's going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    I worked my a** off today doing a lot of automation stuff because I simply got sick of submitting 20 landers to prosper, getting 20 landing page ids and then getting 20 links.

    Rebuilt an old campaighns that brought me a lot of sales but suddebly tanked. Lets see if I can make some money of it the new way.

    Well, the first campaign that got me a sale today does not show big potential, I got one sale from it today and one around a months before but stopped it back then. Well, the 2 conversions came from keywords I can not really work with because these guys were looking for a specialist in their problem field. Don't know what to do with that, let's see.

    Tomorrow will start working on another one, this time from scratch. Want to go into a big niche, something that can bring me around 250 - 400 clicks a day. I think I can handle this kind of volume now and since I got weekly wires from CB, cashflow is not supposed to be an issue.

    Wish me luck
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Great, you got some success straight out of the gate.

      best of luck on your NEW journey

      -Ike Paz

      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      I worked my a** off today doing a lot of automation stuff because I simply got sick of submitting 20 landers to prosper, getting 20 landing page ids and then getting 20 links.

      Rebuilt an old campaighns that brought me a lot of sales but suddebly tanked. Lets see if I can make some money of it the new way.

      Well, the first campaign that got me a sale today does not show big potential, I got one sale from it today and one around a months before but stopped it back then. Well, the 2 conversions came from keywords I can not really work with because these guys were looking for a specialist in their problem field. Don't know what to do with that, let's see.

      Tomorrow will start working on another one, this time from scratch. Want to go into a big niche, something that can bring me around 250 - 400 clicks a day. I think I can handle this kind of volume now and since I got weekly wires from CB, cashflow is not supposed to be an issue.

      Wish me luck
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  • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
    Well, after some break I got another campaign that made me a sale yesterday, I am not going to miss that opportunity like I did with other campaigns. Iam working my a** off right now to scale the hell out of it. I will be using modified borad match all the way. I will be bidding on tons of keywords, optimizing the landing pages and I am aiming for at least 300 clicks a day for it as a first checkpoint. Wish me luck
    If I succeed that I will release a case study where I will reveall all the details
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    • Profile picture of the author aizaku
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Well, after some break I got another campaign that made me a sale yesterday, I am not going to miss that opportunity like I did with other campaigns. Iam working my a** off right now to scale the hell out of it. I will be using modified borad match all the way. I will be bidding on tons of keywords, optimizing the landing pages and I am aiming for at least 300 clicks a day for it as a first checkpoint. Wish me luck
      If I succeed that I will release a case study where I will reveall all the details
      sounds good.

      whats the math looking like?

      how much is the front end product?

      how much does it cost a click?

      out of 100 clicks how many buy?

      these questions, are for Dimager but also, I'm thinking out loud.

      we should all know the answers to these questions when doing cpc advertising.

      recently, ive been doing facebook ads using the "recommened" impressions for a lead conversion campaign im running in the 'men atrracting women' niche.

      anyways to reduce costs i switched to cpc (facebook), now all of a sudden my ads arent delivering...

      might have to give Bing a try for this campaign.

      best of luck,
      Ike Paz
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    • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
      Originally Posted by dimager2003 View Post

      Well, after some break I got another campaign that made me a sale yesterday, I am not going to miss that opportunity like I did with other campaigns. Iam working my a** off right now to scale the hell out of it. I will be using modified borad match all the way. I will be bidding on tons of keywords, optimizing the landing pages and I am aiming for at least 300 clicks a day for it as a first checkpoint. Wish me luck
      If I succeed that I will release a case study where I will reveall all the details
      What is the best way to double it and gain 600 clicks a day?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Ahern
    Just binge read this entire post. I can't wait to hear more! Thanks for sharing this journey with us.
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  • Profile picture of the author elbeer
    Stick with it mate. I aint had a bad year with PPV I hope this motivates you from a couple of my paypal accounts.



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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Awesome bro i am glad that you took action and you master ppc .I plan also to do this because with this you can work half hour per day and make profit comrable with free trafic where you must work all day
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    • Profile picture of the author dimager2003
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      Awesome bro i am glad that you took action and you master ppc .I plan also to do this because with this you can work half hour per day and make profit comrable with free trafic where you must work all day
      Hi, for now I took a little break because I am saving money for a private coaching and for the traffic I will need to buy. When doing this post I went into it without much knowledge and almost no money, and did not act professionally at all. That is why it did not last that long. I also refused to build a list simply because I have no idea how to make money from it.

      In a few months I will have enough money to do it very seriously and this time the goal will be 500$ a day, and I am pretty confident I can do it. Just figured out I need a serious starting capital (around 10000$ including the private coaching) and it will take me few more months to get there.
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    Impressive stuff in a relatively short space of time. Positive action yielded positive results.
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