This is wrong Stone....

talfighel · 26th Oct 2009, 08:33 AM

I am not sure if Stone will be reading this thread but I just want to say that when you have us affiliates promote our our PIPS sales page and people sign up to the newsletter, isn't it wrong that you are promoting the Reverse Funnel System in it and you get all the credit for it?

I mean, I have been in it myself and I must say that this system is not worth it at all.

I really think that this is NOT fare Stone for you to capture emails from our own sales page for PIPS and then make extra money promoting this reverse funnel system.

Things should change in the newsletter.

Tal

Graham Maddison · 26th Oct 2009, 10:13 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong Tal, but doesn't Stone offer a JV for reverse funnell so that you can also make money from it.

I haven't checked the 30 day recently, but I do know the option was there.

Graham

Patrician · 26th Oct 2009, 10:51 AM

Yes that is exactly right Graham.

It has been in the training for several months now. A FREE JV FOR EVERY NEW MEMBER AUTOMATICALLY when their site is first set up.

For existing members it clearly says to let me know on the helpdesk if the ID in your profile does not work - that means you have not been set up yet.

This JV is FREE for the life of the venture, you can make $50 for any sale. Most people are happy to get it.

This is very different from joining RFS as an affiliate and paying $50 for the first month and then subsequent monthy and one time fees, but where you can make $1000 commissions.

Try reading the training, Tal.

Furthermore, there are two newsletter opt-in's on the sales page. One is sent by Stone ON YOUR BEHALF AND WITH YOUR IDs. If any sale is made from any link in those 'Mini Course' emails YOU get the commissions and downline. (for programs you do belong to)

The other link 'Demo Newsletter' goes to your list directly the same as the two opt-in forms on our website.

Here is a statement directly from Stone before anybody else gets started.

----------------

To your question...

The bottom line is that the PIPS sales page is more effective when I follow-up with prospects personally by email through the mini-course.

This follow-up is done on your behalf to help you make more PIPS sales.

As a PIPS affiliate, you are using my success story, reputation and selling skills to help you make more sales. If you don't want my assistance with helping you make more sales, simply don't promote the PIPS sales page.

Those that do promote the PIPS sales page effectively also build their list through the opt-in form located just after the section of the page that says:

... Take A Sneak Peek At The Power Of This
Automated, Moneymaking System Yourself!

I would argue that the PIPS sales page actually builds your list more effectively than most other opt-in forms you could setup even if that were the only thing on the page.

The people who subscribe to your list at that point on the page are more serious prospects who have taken the time to express a sincere interest.

But the primary purpose of the PIPS sales page is ultimately to enroll your prospects in the core PIPS affiliate programs under you.

After many years of testing which methods work best for accomplishing this goal, the current format is what has worked best.

Those that know that value of the PIPS sales page and promote it effectively are also the top earning affiliates in each of the core PIPS affiliate programs. This is what counts most in my book.

Sincerely,

Stone

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talfighel VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada. Posts: 6,896 Thanks: 168 Thanked 1,535 Times in 1,249 Posts	This is wrong Stone.... Share on: I am not sure if Stone will be reading this thread but I just want to say that when you have us affiliates promote our our PIPS sales page and people sign up to the newsletter, isn't it wrong that you are promoting the Reverse Funnel System in it and you get all the credit for it? I mean, I have been in it myself and I must say that this system is not worth it at all. I really think that this is NOT fare Stone for you to capture emails from our own sales page for PIPS and then make extra money promoting this reverse funnel system. Things should change in the newsletter. Tal
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Patrician OffTheWallflowerChild War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6,161 Thanked 2,625 Times in 1,763 Posts	Re: This is wrong Stone.... Share on: Yes that is exactly right Graham. It has been in the training for several months now. A FREE JV FOR EVERY NEW MEMBER AUTOMATICALLY when their site is first set up. For existing members it clearly says to let me know on the helpdesk if the ID in your profile does not work - that means you have not been set up yet. This JV is FREE for the life of the venture, you can make $50 for any sale. Most people are happy to get it. This is very different from joining RFS as an affiliate and paying $50 for the first month and then subsequent monthy and one time fees, but where you can make $1000 commissions. Try reading the training, Tal. Furthermore, there are two newsletter opt-in's on the sales page. One is sent by Stone ON YOUR BEHALF AND WITH YOUR IDs. If any sale is made from any link in those 'Mini Course' emails YOU get the commissions and downline. (for programs you do belong to) The other link 'Demo Newsletter' goes to your list directly the same as the two opt-in forms on our website. Here is a statement directly from Stone before anybody else gets started. ---------------- To your question... The bottom line is that the PIPS sales page is more effective when I follow-up with prospects personally by email through the mini-course. This follow-up is done on your behalf to help you make more PIPS sales. As a PIPS affiliate, you are using my success story, reputation and selling skills to help you make more sales. If you don't want my assistance with helping you make more sales, simply don't promote the PIPS sales page. Those that do promote the PIPS sales page effectively also build their list through the opt-in form located just after the section of the page that says: ... Take A Sneak Peek At The Power Of This Automated, Moneymaking System Yourself! I would argue that the PIPS sales page actually builds your list more effectively than most other opt-in forms you could setup even if that were the only thing on the page. The people who subscribe to your list at that point on the page are more serious prospects who have taken the time to express a sincere interest. But the primary purpose of the PIPS sales page is ultimately to enroll your prospects in the core PIPS affiliate programs under you. After many years of testing which methods work best for accomplishing this goal, the current format is what has worked best. Those that know that value of the PIPS sales page and promote it effectively are also the top earning affiliates in each of the core PIPS affiliate programs. This is what counts most in my book. Sincerely, Stone The Warrior Forum - Newsletter On Sales Page Not Mine ?
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