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Unread 5th Apr 2010, 11:00 AM   #1
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Hey, everyone I have a $5,000 budget to start marketing PIPS (that 5k needs to cover monthly fee's and expenses as well after my initial go-through of applying the '30 days to success guide').

Now my question is to people WHO ACTUALLY APPLIED all the steps in THE '30 DAYS TO SUCCESS GUIDE' and continued to apply all the steps when they were finished or at least continued a few of the marketing methods in it..........from your own experience of trying to make money from the plug-in profit site..........how long did it take to see any money come in?

I hope a lot of people respond to this post who have applied the '30 days to success guide' since that is what I intend to do and so I can get a good idea of the reality of marketing the pips and the realistic or average results of doing so.

Please respond to any of the following that apply to you:

1) How many people have been consistantly marketing their pips page for 6-12 months and have made no money?

2) How many people have been consistantly marketing their pips page for 1-2 YEARS and have made no money?

3) How long did it take you to make a monthly residual income of at least $100-$500?

4) How long did it take you to make a monthly residual income of at least $500-$1,000?

5) How long did it take you to make a monthly residual income of at least $1,000-$3000?

6) How long did it take you to make a monthly residual income of at least $3000-$5,000?

7) How long did it take you to make a monthly residual income of $5,000 and up?

If you have achieved any of the incomes above thats awesome! Can you let me know how long it took and by primarily what methods of marketing in the '30 days to success guide' or if it was by a method outside of the guide can you let me know what that method was or at least let me know that it was by a method outside the '30 day to success guide'?

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Brandon - sorry you are not getting more of a response.

Unfortunately very few people actually participate in this forum. It seems like they may post a few times when they are new and then get busy and don't come back often. We have a few 'veterans' however that come from time to time.

So you are not going to get a true picture here -

Further, it is almost completely irrelevant what anyone else has done. There are many variables to consider and the primary one is how much time and effort that one is willing and able to expend to promote their business.

I have been processing new orders for over 3 years and every day people are making sales. Sales do fluctuate with the economy and seasons but I can honestly say that people make sales every day, even in the slow times.

These people having success are both 'oldies' and 'newbies' - however if someone comes to the table with their own list and previous experience in internet marketing, they are more likely to make sales faster than others.

Just focus on completing the training and making every effort to promote your business aggressively and consistently using the recommendations and options in the training. There are numerous techniques outlined - some free and some not.

Set a budget you can live with comfortably and realize that marketing is about building and sustaining momentum over time.

All the best -

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Hey, Pat

Thanks a lot for taking the time to respond. I posted the question above because I read through some of these threads and found some people saying that its been 4 months, 11 months, 13 months etc and still no sales from marketing their pips page. That is discouraging. So I was hoping to get some people responding saying that they followed the guide to perfection and got great results. I just dont want to use that money and see nothing in return. I have another money making venture in mind as well and was deciding between either that or pips as far as where to spend that 5K.

The other money making venture is almost gauranteed profit so I may do that instead of pips. I was considering going with pips though because of the residual income and to be honest when I read through the '30 days to success guide' it seems pretty simple as stone laid it out step-by-step on how to market pips. However the idea of using $5,000 to market pips and 1 year from now have no sales or just a few would frankly, really suck.

You say you've been getting new sales now for at least 3 years. Thats wondeful pat and congrats for to you for making it work. Can you please tell me how long it took you to start getting those sales? And was it lots of sales or just like 2 a month or something?

Thanks a lot for you help, really.

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HI Brandon - I think you may have misunderstood me. I process all new orders for all PIPS members. That is what I was referring to.

I am saying everyday for over 3 years that I have worked for Stone, there has been new orders coming in from PIPS members making sales. That means that people are selling this program.

Again - people who make an aggressive effort over time will succeed. Many people think that if they go through the training and do each thing once that is all they need - what is necessary with any internet marketing business is to do something all the time - every day if possible. Write an article, post to blog, etc etc.

It really isn't about money - it is about effort over time. Of course using the paid services can make life easier as with anything - but even with that said, you still need to be actively involved if you are doing anything that has to do with marketing...

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Brandon,

OK, before you get all caught up in promoting
PIPS... Let me explain something!

Yes, I have been with PIPS for over 2 years now
and here is what you need to do!

Promote YOU not PIPS!

PPIS is a great program but it is YOU that you need
to learn to promote, not PIPS!

If you have a $5,000 budget you need to think it through.
You can get 20 - 30 leads every day for less than $5!

I use free and paid advertising and that is the budget I
started with on advertising. Each week I increased my
budget, I let my results pay for my business marketing
expense.

Therefore, my advice to you is start slow with your
advertising test what works for you and keep 95% of your
$5,000 and use it when you need it! Maybe for a nice vacation!

If people would do these simple steps they would all be a success:

- Promote YOU
- Stay consistent in promoting and build momentum
- Once you find something that gets good results - Rinse And Repeat!

If you have a plan and a budget you can make money consistently
each month!

If you have any questions just PM me.

Best of luck,

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Hey thanks for your reply to my post Bill!

So you are saying to promote myself and I assume to have my own product rather than promote pips. You've had pips for 2 years and are recommending I dont promote pips but rather promote myself.

Does that mean in your 2 years experience with pips its not really worth it to spend all your time and money promoting it?

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P.S. I tried to PM you but cant because I dont have 50 posts yet.

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Brandon,

No, I'm not saying do not promote PIPS. I'm saying
to promote You first and then promote PIPS on the
back end.

As far as promoting PIPS, I say it is in your best
interests to promote you first and make a name for
yourself. Wouldn't you rather get someones name
and email when they visit your site if they don't buy
from you. This way you can have communication
with them as long as they stay subscribed to your
mailing.

Then once they get to know you they may join one
of your programs. I know PIPS has been around for a
long time but why promote it on the front-end?
Promote you and make a name for yourself. Just
promote a landing page or squeeze page, give your
visitors a free gift when they visit your site. You
want to get their name and email first then promote
PIPS on the back-end.

I hope this makes better sence...

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That makes sense, Bill.

Thanks, buddy!

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Hey, Bill

I was thinking about what you said with promoting a squeeze or landing page first. I understand that you're suggesting to market a page thats primary focus isnt on selling something but on getting the persons name and email address so we can then follow up with pips afterwards.

So my question is if im going through the '30 days to success' guide instead of marketing my pips home page and regular home page that has the banners all over the place, etc. which might not be that effective at getting the persons info...... Should I instead market this page http://www.PlugInProfitSite.com/main-9115/pop6.html ?

Because that page gets the person name and email like you were talking about. So do you think this is a good way to go? To follow the 30 days to success guide but market that page instead to get the peoples info right away and then let the autoresponder do the rest with the 400 day prewritten emails?

And if thats a good way to go then i can just make up a better website name to market that links back to that opt-in page right?

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So you have been a PIPS member since July 2005.

There are several lead capture pages in the 'Marketing' section of the PIPS back office that do not mention PIPS.

What Stone recommends is using your sales page in most cases and your home page for backlinks - the lead capture pages would get their email address and then you can promote PIPS from the newsletter which includes the links to both the sales page and the website.

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It sound like the best thing to do is to just market a lead capture page such as http://www.PlugInProfitSite.com/main-9115/pop2.html that way im more likely to get their name and email. And maybe I can come up with another website name that links back to that lead capture page so they dont see the pluginprofitsite name at first?

Bill S. was mentioning to market ourselves and a page where we get their contact info so we can follow up with pips afterwards. Thats makes sense because marketing the pips page alone gives the prospect an opportunity to check out the product and leave the website without ever putting in their contact info. So it appears the best thing to do is just market the lead capture page and just have articles and backlinks on the internet linking back to that lead capture page. That way everyone interested has to put in their contact info to get the info?

Maybe im missing something but that sounds like the best way to go. Just have all the marketing (articles, backlinks, google adwords and other traffic generating methods) linking back to that lead capture page. Then after I get the info the autoresponder can sell them on pips for me.

U agree? If not can u please explain why?

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I do not agree at all. Why backlink to pluginprofitsite? Your backlinks should go to your domain.

Further while I understand 'follow me', 'trust me', have a 'relationship' with me, and then take my recommendations to buy my products or join my programs is one effective strategy*, Stone is the expert here and by far the most successful.

He uses email marketing heavily (lead capture pages are good) and he recommends that you promote your sales page for most advertising mediums. The reason for this is it is a direct response format (application) and there are two sign up forms on there for opt-ins.

The first one is sent by him and goes to his list but the messages he sends are on your behalf and having YOUR links, not his - so if anyone joins a program you get the commission. This is the POINT of all this - SALES - not the list.

The second one goes directly to your list and is the same as lead capture web form.

Then use your domain for your backlinking strategy in blog and article marketing.

*The follow me/trust me/relationship strategy works best if you are offering something of value such as general information - take Suzanne Morrison as an example - her site has all kinds of helpful information and services to help the fledgling internet marketer in general and how to use PIPS in particular.

There has to be substance, not gimmicks.

I believe a multi-pronged approach is best - you use appropriate tools for each strategy you employ.

Lead capture works for some things like traffic exchanges and pop-unders, purely to get a list built (and hopefully make sales from the list).

Backlinking works best from blogs and articles that are permanent and long-term strategies.

The sales page works for email marketing and all of the messages in the series are loaded with links for that.

Traffic portals are great ways to capture leads for your list too - that is advertising something like a free ebook or some other free option and in return they give you their email address.

Lists are important only because SALES might come from one of the leads - how you get the leads and what you do with them is what determines conversion.

People are so hung up on lists though and they have to remember that SALES is the point - not just free subscribers to a newsletter. You want TARGETED leads and traffic - this is much more effective when done using appropriate tools.

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Hey, pat

So it sounds like I should just follow the '30 days to success guide' exactly then. Thats nice and simple. Like you said stone is the expert so I shoudn't change anything I guess.

The only thing that got me thinking its all about a lead capture page or squeeze page is because Bill S. said thats a better way to go then to just market pips.

Its a little confusing because what bill says makes sense but stone is the creator of the guide and the most successful so I guess I should just do as stone laid out in the guide exactly.

Thanks for your help and have a nice day!

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Brandon - that is not exactly what I said - yes follow the training, follow the expert - but then you have to build on that with other strategies of your own -

All I am saying is to get the training under your belt (at least once)* and do everything you can that is recommended - and then build from there. *(the training changes all the time so check back every few months to see what may have been added since you last looked at it).

PIPS is a place to start and build a foundation. However you need to step up to the plate and build from there.

I hope you will really read what I wrote and take each point -

Most people are using the 'multiple streams of income' approach that go on from here to build a business - including Stone - he doesn't just sell the PIPS programs - he sells all sorts of other things - he is always finding more ways to make sales every time I turn around.

What Bill was saying 'back-end sales' is a very effective strategy used by most of the big internet marketers.

This is where you get them under your wing, you give them help and free things, and then you sell them PIPS or whatever else you have to sell.

I have watched some big time guys have a very cheap or even free product for sale and then on THE BACK-END they will say - 'oh by the way as a reward for buying my $10 product I am giving you a special deal to buy my $100 product for only $50.'

boom.

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OK, thank you pat and bill. I have some thinking to do if im going to pursue this or another money making venture. Thanks for all your help. Take care!

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