[scottLindeman]

Kinda lost on this. Is there a product sold? Haven't signed up yet and haven't looked at the site really. Just happen to see it when I was checking my stats.

[Patrician]

Perpetual 20 - Get A Lifetime Of Perpetual $20 Payments!

[zirkamer]

WHO GETS THE LIST?

Ewens Perpetual20 looks good, however the site collects names and emails and sends a free report. It looks like a person is marketing this and building Ewens email list. One should be building their own list. This needs to be changed. If you market you should get the list. I am looking into this now! I likely will not join Perp 20 if this is not changed! Pretty sad If I am the only marketer here that noticed this!

-Z

[talfighel]

Originally Posted by zirkamer

WHO GETS THE LIST?

Ewens Perpetual20 looks good, however the site collects names and emails and sends a free report. It looks like a person is marketing this and building Ewens email list. One should be building their own list. This needs to be changed. If you market you should get the list. I am looking into this now! I likely will not join Perp 20 if this is not changed! Pretty sad If I am the only marketer here that noticed this!

-Z

Each lead that is generated through your website, is YOUR LEAD.

Even when you read the ebook PDF that is sent for free, once you click on the link it goes to your page.

I don't think that Ewen is stealing anyone's emails or future associates.

Ewen has a good reputation and I don't think that he will do that, ever.

I think that this is a great opportunity and the one thing that I like the most is the INSTANT commissions and no refunds.

[John McRae]

I have already received two leads from Perpetual 20. What I do with this program and several others that send me a email notifying me of a sale or lead is send the prospect a email thanking them for taking a look at the opportunity.

I then mention that I would like to add them to my mailing list and they will be receiving another conformation email if they would like to join.

The vast majority accept and are added to my list. I have added many people to my list this way and many of these eventually end up purchasing something.

[talfighel]

I am still waiting for AlertPay to send me those 2 micro deposits. They did but since we have a long weekend here in Canada (Victoria Day), I will need to wait till tomorrow because it is still not showing up in my bank account.

Hopefully by then, I will be able to set everything up so that my website accepts payments through Alertpay.

[art72]

Originally Posted by talfighel

I am still waiting for AlertPay to send me those 2 micro deposits. They did but since we have a long weekend here in Canada (Victoria Day), I will need to wait till tomorrow because it is still not showing up in my bank account.

Hopefully by then, I will be able to set everything up so that my website accepts payments through Alertpay.

Too funny, just set my Alert Pay up 5 mins ago. Kinda sucks having to wait 3-5 days?

Not a very good system there. (Can't remeber how long PayPal took...it's been awhile)

IMO, I think PayPal should've been an option...worries me a bit that some people may lose the initial interest, or be too lazy to set up Alert Pay account!

However, I did just go buy the domain perpetual20[dot]co to keep myself (or get myself) committed

Sounds great, and if people just "think" about the ROI...it should yield some great returns, what's $29.95 per month? = $1 Dollar per Day.

I'm in, and I don't even have a list yet!

Plus the chick on Twitter that dropped the link deserves to make some money too!)

[talfighel]

It will take patience on everyone's part to wait for their AlertPay account to be active.

Those who don't want to wait, are the ones that will never make it.

Those who do wait, you will know that they are serious.

And while I wait, I am going to think of how to generate 30-100 new leads per day other then adding a link to my website.

[art72]

Originally Posted by talfighel

It will take patience on everyone's part to wait for their AlertPay account to be active.

Those who don't want to wait, are the ones that will never make it.

Those who do wait, you will know that they are serious.

And while I wait, I am going to think of how to generate 30-100 new leads per day other then adding a link to my website.

All excellent points...especially the last one. I was thinking of some offline marketing ideas for this one myself...after all, every body I work with hates their job!

[Patrician]

yes, and there are also people who do not make enough money from their job they hate to live.

So go or stay, you can see it goes two ways. (selling points) hate your job or can't live on your salary anymore.

there are a few industries that work contra to the consumer index/economy.

1. like temporary employment (agencies etc) in a downturn or bad economy people lose their jobs through downsizing/merging/bankruptcy or firing and somebody else has to do the job - temporarily until the position is filled (either by the temp permanently or by contract), or a job applicant/permanent job candidate.

2. the internet and home business - if people fear losing their jobs, for corporate or personal reasons, they will do one of two things.

either hang on to their every last dime planning for a catastrophy like a loss of income

or start building a foundation and plan on landing on their feet with their own business.

... and/or get out of a precarious financial situation by bringing in extra income instead of waiting for their paltry annual 'cost of living' and performance pay increases.

sometimes they can't find another job, now there is super precarious; then their jobless benefits start to run out, there is fear.

the point is: everybody is either coming or going.

its a limitless market

it is always an 'emerging market'

[talfighel]

And some people think that this industry is saturated!

This is not the right thinking because in 5-10-20 years people are still going to look for other ways to quit their jobs, make more money, etc.

Every day, think of how many babies are born????

If they are born today, when they reach 18, 25, 30 years old, a lot of them will look for a biz opportunity.

So the market will always be strong.

[talfighel]

Hi guys,

OK, I have everything set up and ready to promote.

I do have one question.

After someone enters their name and info and is brought
to the page to pay with Alertpay, I saw from a test that there are 2 options.

1 was the $20 fee to me
2nd one was for $9.95. Shouldn't it be one button or is this OK?

Tal

[scottLindeman]

I already had an AlertPay account and didn't even know it until I tried to sign up. So after figuring out my password, I just upgraded my account and I was good to go.

[martin61]

Hi Guys, just got my AlertPay account approved today, so it took 4 Days to get through. One thing they did, was that they have changed the business category from Business/General to Multi-Level Marketing/Referral Marketing and
based on my business category and the possible risks associated with it, they have also changed my fee type from Personal Pro/Regular Business to Restricted Business, does anyone know what that means?:rolleyes: But they didn't tell me the Fee difference, so don't know now. Also they said that payments will be held for 7 days before they will be released to my account. Not happy with that one.
Hope I will get some sign ups soon and start making money. It is hard spending the money to run the Business every month without making any. This money is of course missing. But I am hopeful and determent and I am enjoying it. I am learning a lot and want to become successful.
All success to you guys.

[martin61]

Hi All, except of what is suggested in the Perpetual20 Training Section, how do you guys try to get traffic to your Perpetual20 site? Has anyone got any sign ups yet? Looks like it is not that easy, I am following the training suggestions but no sign ups, except of one unpaid one.

[art72]

I haven't really started advertising yet, but I have had 6 free sign-ups with little effort. I am throwing in a killer bonus on my blog though, whereby I am including 5 free minisites for anyone who joins.

This way, they can use the training included in the websites I am offering to boost sign-ups, and get far more than the $29.95 investment. Not sure how the results will go, haven't set up my ads yet. Been too busy...

The way I see it, for the $1 per day costs...why wouldn't people be all over this thing?

Every sign-up is essentially 3+ in theory. If you sign 100 people, help them to get their 4, they pass up (2), become 300 members and already your banking $6,000 month! <--in a perfect world of course.

But, really it should work just based on you help me I help you, and so on and so forth...unfortunately; a lot of people will join freaking Amway or Avon, and spend $100 or more a month to qualify for less commissions...but give the public a $1 per day -no brainer, and everyone gets all panicked!

If I have to put ads on my truck and park it at the colleges, hotels, or the Prime Outlet Mall here in Orlando everyday...I will!

How much is a billboard? or an ad on the big screens in New York?

Just kidding...but seriously, I like the whole package personally! I really don't think Ewen would risk his reputation and not deliver, now it's up to those of us who joined to grind it out, and get members!

I'm expecting maybe 4%-6% overall on sign-ups...but I've yet to place my ads.

I emailed Perpetual 20 about the stats not showing the actual CTR's, and was responded to within 24 hours and informed they will be added soon. I mean c'mon really, every affiliate program out there tracks click-through rates....this was a major fail in my book!

IMO - that and the wait for Alert Pay was my only real complaints. Again, you have to think;

"What business can you start for $1 per day - with no actual selling?"

- I agree, as a business it needs to make money...but worst case scenario, download the 60 Master Resale and PLR products straight away, file them, and if worse comes to worst...you can easily get your money back + just selling the products.

Value wise, I think it rocks... not having viewable CTR's and live stats?...that's just stupid!

Best Regards,

Art

[buffstical]

Thanks, that is a wondeful post

[Globalbizops]

Good post Art! I joined Perpetual20 a week ago and must agree, with all the extra perks it definitely is worth the membership fee. Ewen really did add his own little twist to MLM with the Reverse 2-Up which got me thinking and I have added my own little marketing twist to MLM which I like to call the Reverse 2-Down.

[rixlo]

[QUOTE=talfighel;3937015]
Those who don't want to wait, are the ones that will never make it.
Those who do wait, you will know that they are serious.

Truism...'good things come to those who wait'.
ric

[art72]

Thanks Frankie,

I like the twist you put on your offer!

Finally starting to see some progress with Perpetual 20. You may also want to check out Ewen's recent release; Instant Paycheck, as it too is a jammed packed offer that offers instant PayPal commissions. (*see sig link below)

rixlo I agree...Dumpty was pushed...lol

[Globalbizops]

Thanks Art, glad you like my offer, still twisting the offer...!

Must say I noticed you are doing well with GOOGLE yourself, anything to share...?

Ewen`s latest offer looks good, but I like to concentrate on one offer at a time.

Cheers!
Frankie

[sundown16]

...thinking of signing up, but it sounds like
others have issues with AlertPay
are they sluggish in payouts?

[Globalbizops]

... no problems with AlertPay on my side, anybody else still having problems?

[DougClose]

I was talking to someone online about Perpetual 20 a while back, and she stopped promoting it because her pass-up sales werent' being credited to her account. Is everyone fine with that issue? getting your proper pass-up sales assigned to you?

(also - i know this isn't the thread for it, but somebody mentioned Ewen Chia's "instant paycheck" system - but the "join now" link goes to Clickbank with no sponsor - so it's not an instant paypal business??)

thanks for answers....

[Globalbizops]

Hey Doug, you first need 4 personal sign-ups with Perpetual 20 to qualify for any commissions, maybe the person you spoke to had less than 4 at that stage:confused:

I can only speak for myself when I say that I have not had any problems thus far!

I can not comment on Instant Paycheck but I know Art is promoting it so maybe he can help you out there...

[DDavis]

I have some question?, Ewen Chia state in perpetual 20 that i need 4 members to be FULLY QUALIFIED. Does that mean if i have 3 members i will not receive commissions from my downline members 1 & 3 untill i get my 4th member.

question 2. what happens if members quit? lets say i have 2 members in my downline and member no.2 quits.leaving me back to 1 member, then i gain a new member, do they then replace the member that quit and its another member that i have to hand up to my sponser or do they go as member 3 (which in order they would be without the quitting member).

[DDavis]

Does anybody have an unpaid member David Kol***** ( stars inplace of rest of name for privacy policy)

[Globalbizops]

DD, you need 4 personally referred active members at all times in order to qualify for commission, should some of your downline members quit and you are left with less than 4 personally referred members you are unqualified and the commission from the existing members are all passed up to your inviter.

You will need to replace the members that quit with new personally referred members till you have 4 again, you will then be qualified again and earn commission as normal.

Hope this helps...

[GomerMagtibay]

When I checked on my PIPS sales page (Aug. 9, 2011), I just noticed Perpetual20 is no longer there, and is already replaced by the old traffic exchange program Trafficswarm. So, immediately Googled to know the reason why, but can't find any updates about it. I checked on the discussions here in WF, also no updates or announcement from Stone with regard to the recent replacement. So, I would like to ask the members here, do you have any idea why it was removed/replaced?

[Patrician]

Stone has just decided to remove Perpetual20 from the sales page (you can still keep it on your website) - He has added back Traffic Swarm.

Please login to your PIPS account profile at http://www.pluginprofitsite.com/account and add your Traffic Swarm ID - replacing the default ID. Or - click 'join' next to that field in your profile to join Traffic Swarm and then update with your own ID.

The reasons are because there is a lot of difficulty people have in signing up for Perpetual20 and Alert Pay etc.

As well he would like to make it less expensive to join PIPS without Perpetual20. Again, you can still keep Perpetual20 on your website and earn money with it from there and also promote it separately using their sales page.

You can also quit and we will remove it for you.

If you want it removed, please send your Wordpress login details, domain name and PIPS ID.

If you want to stay in and leave it on your site, we need the above information PLUS your Perpetual20 username/ID so that we can hard code it.

Send information to:
http://pluginprofitsite.zendesk.com/

[GomerMagtibay]

Oh, Pat., thank you for that. At least, it is now clear to me why it was removed. Okay, I will now login to my account and replace my username in Perpetual 20 with my ID number in Trafficswarm. I will also edit my Wordpress and remove the banner myself, I know you have more important things to do. I am also a member of Trafficswarm. Thanks for the clarification. More power and God bless.

[John McRae]

Hi Pat

Thanks for the update. Traffic Swarm is a decent program but I must admit I am sorry to see Perpetual 20 leave PIPS. I thought it was a program with a lot of potential.

John

[Patrician]

I did too John - and the banner was a perfect compliment to the PIPS colors (female thinking LOL).

Again, everybody is welcome to keep it and promote it from their own website and with the sales page provided by Perpetual20 (which is also quite nice looking).

... but people were just not joining and those who were experienced lots of problems hooking up Alert Pay, Bank Account and the Perpetual20 program.

We should rename Traffic Swarm to Traffic Spring - it has been in and out of the PIPS core so many times!

[DDavis]

Traffic swarm back? What ANOTHER CHANGE, Hmm if people want Perpetual 20 back all you need to do is cancel your current account, stone will see the drop in his income stream and have no choice but to re-instate Perpetual 20 to pick the income up again. You see people it gets taken from the sales page but stone still receives commissions. Please stone stop doing this as people can lose credibility

[DDavis]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Stone has just decided to remove Perpetual20 from the sales page (you can still keep it on your website) - He has added back Traffic Swarm.

Please login to your PIPS account profile at http://www.pluginprofitsite.com/account and add your Traffic Swarm ID - replacing the default ID. Or - click 'join' next to that field in your profile to join Traffic Swarm and then update with your own ID.

The reasons are because there is a lot of difficulty people have in signing up for Perpetual20 and Alert Pay etc.

As well he would like to make it less expensive to join PIPS without Perpetual20. Again, you can still keep Perpetual20 on your website and earn money with it from there and also promote it separately using their sales page.

You can also quit and we will remove it for you.

If you want it removed, please send your Wordpress login details, domain name and PIPS ID.

If you want to stay in and leave it on your site, we need the above information PLUS your Perpetual20 username/ID so that we can hard code it.

Send information to:
Plug-In Profit Site Help Desk

QUESTION? What is hard coding it? as i dont understand why anything would need to be hard coded as it is on a wordpress site therefore affiliate income would generate from this. There would be nothing needed doing BUT leave it there. Maybe a matter to be investigated externally?

[Patrician]

The affiliate number is cloaked behind your PIPS ID/affiliate link with a pluginprofitsite.com address.

Since it is now no longer on your PIPS affiliate sales page (created from your PIPS account profile), the link needs to be changed to the regular Perpetual20 affiliate link.

That is what I mean by hard coding.

[DDavis]

Originally Posted by Patrician

The affiliate number is cloaked behind your PIPS ID/affiliate link with a pluginprofitsite.com address.

Since it is now no longer on your PIPS affiliate sales page (created from your PIPS account profile), the link needs to be changed to the regular Perpetual20 affiliate link.

That is what I mean by hard coding.

Thankyou pat, WOW cloaking the link is the best thing that could be done... thankyou, no 1 stealing my affiliate commission lol

[Mikaedi]

Hi thanks for all the positive posts about Perputual20, I initially found out about this opportunity through Synthia Minnars site PIPS owner, and she reccomended this programme.
Also Ewan has a good reputation and success in Marketing, this looks like a really great money earner, so I willbe signing-up shortly.
Have a question though?
Does Ewan assist Perpetual20 members who are newbies, especially those without a list, to get signups.

Mikaedi88