[daknowles53]

I am very new to this and am very impressed with the help that is offered in this forum. I hope someone can guide me in the right direction. I have been successful in getting to page one of google with my articles for a page that when I put the keyword phrase in quotes comes up with 14,000 hits or pages. Today I noticed my pips site is on page one also. Am I on the right track, or am I wasting my time using a keyword phrase that only shows that small number when put in quotes? Do I, as some say, try to dominate that phrase, or do I need to move on to more competitive phrases,words?? Just looking to see if I'm on the right track. Thanks for any assistance

[Patrician]

14k doesn't sound very shabby at all.

Actually you do not want to contend for the most competitive phrases.

You want something in the mid-range - not the most popular and certainly not the dregs, but something in the upper mid-range.

I would say keep doing what you are doing!

[daknowles53]

Thank you so much for your reply

[Stephen Meyer]

In quotes 14K is a small number of competing sites. H ave you used Google Keyword Tool to find out the number of monthly searches and competing sites for your term and similar terms? If not, that is the place to start in determining if a keyword or phrase is worth pursuing. In your case the number of searches is what you want to look at. I wouldn't spend much time, if any, on words with a low search volume.

Also, as Patricia said, use mid-range keywords, around 1000 searches a month. But don't completely leave out the most competitive keywords. Use them in the background so as to slowly build them up also. Then when you are ready you have them in place and can focus on them more easily.

[Patrician]

Oh! Stephen - I forgot what the "quotes" around the phrase meant.

(where is the red faced smiley)

Thanks for the correction...

But still not having a lot of competitive sites is good too!



... I will never forget some of the first conversations I experienced here - I remember this one guy was all excited because he was on page one for his name - his name, not his domain name. Well hello!? Of course unless your name is Joe Smith you are probably gonna be on page one for your own name. LOL

[Zara Marie]

14k competitors' pages is already a great number and you still managed to outrank them, that's a good job. You may want to increase your keyword density with the allowed ratio of course - max or 3% so search engines would know the focus of your content. Also, as Stephen suggested, try to use Google Adwords Keyword tool so you'll be able to see other keywords relevant to what you're currently using.

[Stephen Meyer]

Patrician, You're right, if you can find phrases with a small number of competing sites as he has done but with a fair amount of search volume you are on the right track. But, you got to have the search volume or it might be a waste of time.

Here's part of a formula I use in researching keywords
Search Volume.. Competing Sites.. Rank
1000+...............0-10000.......... ..Excellent
1000+............ ..10001-20000.... ..Good
1000+............ ..20001-50000.... ..Fair
1000+............ ..50000+...............Poor

Added: To find the keywords you first use Google Keyword Tool to get a list of keywords, the most searches and the less comp. indicated by the greeen bar. Then download the keywords to a CSV file and plug each one into a Google search to find the competition. That will give you search volume and competition. Then go from there with choosing your words.

There's more to it but that's a start.

Another good indicator is the number of Adwords advertisements there are on the search page for your keywords. If it's a small number or close to none then the phrase most likely is not a money phrase. Top phrases will have ads on top, the right side, and the bottom. Those ads begin to dwindle with phrases that aren't as profitable.

Originally Posted by Patrician

Oh! Stephen - I forgot what the "quotes" around the phrase meant.

(where is the red faced smiley)

Thanks for the correction...

But still not having a lot of competitive sites is good too!



... I will never forget some of the first conversations I experienced here - I remember this one guy was all excited because he was on page one for his name - his name, not his domain name. Well hello!? Of course unless your name is Joe Smith you are probably gonna be on page one for your own name. LOL

[daknowles53]

Thanks to all of you. This is awesome. You people are great

[daknowles53]

I got your message...would love your help...but can't PM yet...what can I do?

[Malcolm Tindle]

Hi daknowles53,

You have heard some great advice from some very experienced people. My only addition to what has been said is that when you do your keyword search, after you have typed in your word or words, you will get a preliminary result. This opens a box down the left hand side where you will see extra options for a second search. Tick the box that says 'exact' and remove ‘broad’, that way you will get an exact picture of global searches per month.

As others have said, don't go for highly competitive phrases like ‘work from home’, and don’t be afraid to go for some with as little as 400-500 searches per month. It is better that than none at all and you can make a list of several long tail keywords every time you do a search and use them in your marketing articles.

Using smaller results and long tail keywords may not get huge results but you ‘will’ get results because you are optimising your articles for phrases that you have a much bigger chance of getting people searching on.

Slowly building up your Google ranking for lower search phrases will help to build your business and as you grow then you can go for the higher search terms. In this business, as previously stated, you will quite often get someone quite innocently getting excited about being on Google Page 1 for a phrase that no-one ever searches for.

to your success,

Mal.

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi,

Its like building a cement foundation of your new house......

I used to rank on page 1 for

Work at home
work from home

To do that I worked the keywords that were longtail and didnt bring in as many searches as the 2 big traffic keywords I was ultimately targeting but over time you will see an increase in traffic and rankings for all keywords based on this strategy. So what I did was make blog posts and wrote/submit articles on keywords such as:

work at home forum
legitimate work from home jobs
work from home opportunities
work at home jobs
work from home jobs
work at home opportunities
work from home companies
work from home scams
work from home online
how to work from home
work from home stuffing envelopes
best work from home jobs
work at home moms
work at home companies
work at home mom
work at home scams
work at home business
work at home employment
work from home businesses
work from home ideas
work from home mom
work from home business ideas
real work from home
work from home data entry
working from home opportunities
work online from home
legitimate work at home opportunities
work from home online jobs
data entry work at home
jobs work from home
work from home reviews
data entry work from home
internet work from home
legit work from home jobs
free work at home
work from home business opportunity
legitimate work at home jobs
work at home careers
work at home online
work from home employment
work from home moms
work from home jobs for moms
jobs working from home
legit work at home
working from home
working from home jobs
work at home programs
moms work at home
work at home online jobs
work at home opportunity
work at home for free
earn money working from home
working at home jobs
work at home.com
online jobs work from home
work from home job listings
work from home jobs data entry

Get the idea?"

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[GomerMagtibay]

Is there an online tutorial service or a site where we can learn the ins and outs of article writing and article marketing? I mean from the very beginning, from basic to advance, from writing in proper grammar, to keywords integration?

I think I need something like that, and not only me, also my new downline business partners who are not good in English writing because English is not their native language. Can you suggest a site where can find something like that?

Of course, there's a shortcut like letting someone else do the writing for us, but I think the best solution is, to learn how to do it personally. Can you help us? I have several downlines who at first were enthusiastic with their PIPS business, but when they started to write their own blog posts and articles, they started to shy away and quit. I cannot just recommend to them to buy articles from ghost writers because they are also in tight budget.. So, this quest is not only to improve myself, but also to guide new downlines who are struggling with this matter.

[Patrician]

It's too bad nobody here ever responded to the weekly classes I held via web conference for several months a few years ago. One of them was about 'Writing Articles Using SEO Principles' -

... it was a great class (2 hours) and went into detail about everything including the psychology of marketing, ( e.g., "energetic writing" - some key points from Kevin Riley's course; and a list of 'power words'), keywords/creating anchor tags, re-engineering, etc.

I had lots of people that liked it but nobody from PIPS could be bothered. Now all i have is a VoIP conference room with 5 seats and not much motivation to do it again. Do you think it would be worth it to people to pay $5 each per class (through Paypal or AlertPay? (it used to be free but I am not that dumb anymore).

[GomerMagtibay]

Originally Posted by Patrician

It's too bad nobody here ever responded to the weekly classes I held via web conference for several months a few years ago. One of them was about 'Writing Articles Using SEO Principles' -

... it was a great class (2 hours) and went into detail about everything including the psychology of marketing, ( e.g., "energetic writing" - some key points from Kevin Riley's course; and a list of 'power words'), keywords/creating anchor tags, re-engineering, etc.

I had lots of people that liked it but nobody from PIPS could be bothered. Now all i have is a VoIP conference room with 5 seats and not much motivation to do it again. Do you think it would be worth it to people to pay $5 each per class (through Paypal or AlertPay? (it used to be free but I am not that dumb anymore).

Thanks for responding Ms. Pat. Yes, that's a good idea. If we can do it again, then why not?

In 30daystosuccessguide.com, we were taught how important writing articles is to our online success. Most trainings deals with the "why", but not with the "how".

Sometimes I feel for my downlines when they show me the rough draft of their articles. Some of their work are not good enough even for an ordinary blog post. When I tried correcting them, they just silently quit. Maybe they were hurt (their self-esteem) they cannot compose their own blog posts and articles.

Trainings such as yours would certainly help us. Not only we will learn from that, but we will also have a "training system" where we can just easily recommend our downlines to go through.

[Patrician]

Let me think about it Gomer - You didn't answer the part about whether they would each pay $5 per class?

The thing is if people are really into having their own business - they are not going to quit over any obstacle - they will learn how to overcome it -

If they are not really into it, they will look for reasons to fail -

There are alternatives to writing your own articles as we have discussed.

#1 have them ghostwritten
#2 use CHEAP or FREE PLR and then REWRITE them
#3 learn basic writing skills and write UR own

*(#2 is harder than writing them yourself, at least to me - but they are a good way to get started - will give you ideas, etc. but usually need the grammar corrected.

With all that said - they do not need to be perfect - as long as they are half-way decent with your keywords it is better than nothing - especially for a blog -

People are more forgiving about not having perfect English because they know so many people do not speak English as a first language - so like I say as long as they are half way decent.

I have always been told that in particular in the Philippines they teach English in school automatically - is that not true?

Some Americans have horrible English grammar and spelling - maybe they should pretend to be from another country.

[GomerMagtibay]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Let me think about it Gomer - You didn't answer the part about whether they would each pay $5 per class?

The thing is if people are really into having their own business - they are not going to quit over any obstacle - they will learn how to overcome it -

If they are not really into it, they will look for reasons to fail -

There are alternatives to writing your own articles as we have discussed.

#1 have them ghostwritten
#2 use CHEAP or FREE PLR and then REWRITE them
#3 learn basic writing skills and write UR own

*(#2 is harder than writing them yourself, at least to me - but they are a good way to get started - will give you ideas, etc. but usually need the grammar corrected.

With all that said - they do not need to be perfect - as long as they are half-way decent with your keywords it is better than nothing - especially for a blog -

People are more forgiving about not having perfect English because they know so many people do not speak English as a first language - so like I say as long as they are half way decent.

I have always been told that in particular in the Philippines they teach English in school automatically - is that not true?

Some Americans have horrible English grammar and spelling - maybe they should pretend to be from another country.

Yes, I am willing to pay $5 for that training, either through a credit card, Paypal, or Alertpay. We're buying articles for $15 a piece. Calculate how much we would be spending if we buy 4 articles a month, $15 X 4 = $60. That's a strain in the budget, given there are other fees to pay monthly like those of GDI, P20 and other paid programs in PIPS. If we learn by ourselves through your training how to write effectively, then there will be a reduction of $60 in our monthly cost of doing business online. That's a big help.

With me, I can write articles or blog post, or maybe I just don't have confidence yet in my own work, that's why I buy articles from Dustin for $15. I find his writing more refined, and the keywords are automatically inserted in a very good way. But when I recommend to my downline to follow what I am doing, they declined, maybe they're thinking or they have calculated what would be the long term cost of constantly buying articles.

The downlines that I have corrected, if you see their work, they really are not good in English. Really not good, trust me, I myself found their articles hard to understand. We did chat through YM and they have confessed it's their problem, they told me they're considering buying articles from ghost writers. I recommend them Dustin's, but they did not heed. They just vanished.

So, investing in training like $5 once, twice, or thrice, I think it will be more appealing to them, than paying $60 a month for life ($15 X 4).

[GomerMagtibay]

By the way, that $60 a month of buying articles is just a conservative computation. That's for once a week blog posting, given there are 4 weeks in a month. What more if you are to post twice a week or daily, that would be $15 a day.

[GomerMagtibay]

As for the cheap PLR being rewritten or spun, I tried it myself. I bought one spinner from TripleClicks and tried using it myself. I was thinking if it will work for me, then I will recommend that product to my downlines. But it was horrible. The end products (the spun articles) are idiotic. The spinner just replaced the words with synonyms that are not related or not fit for the topic. So, I discarded that option. The only ways to go are, buy from ghost writers, or write your own.

I really want to excell in writing. I was reading the other thread here about "the simplicity of Stone Evans' blog" and have read the replies. They were discussing how Stone is filling his homebusinessideas.com with content. I like the replies of Suzanne Morrison and GT Bulmer, of writing your thoughts and connecting with the readers. I think it's the way to go if you really want to make it big online (given the success level attained by those respondents). But it's really a challenge for me and not an easy thing to do.

[Patrician]

Gomer - I am having some health problems right now and so I can't really commit to anything until the issues get resolved (in the next few weeks).

Not sure about appointments, etc. that will be necessary and I have a lot of responsibility to Stone and PIPS which is always #1 to me - and health can make it complicated.

For now though I just have to say again - your English and writing are perfect.

If I can't do anything for you right now I would just say if you use your keywords as a topic to build your articles around, and you use the keywords only 2-3 times on one page (350-400 words) (never spam your keywords) -

... and you want to write something informational (NOT selling) - I will proofread/edit and/or critique for you and maybe we can start like that to build your confidence.

I think that is the only problem and maybe some structure - I know I need that to get started doing things sometimes.

The best thing I read when I was new here was 'Go ahead and write an ad or article - it's ok if it is lousy - nobody will judge you' - just do the best you can and you WILL GET BETTER as you get more practice. The key is to get started - "JUST DO IT".

You can Google your keyword(s) to get some ideas from sites that your query produces - not to copy but for ideas to get started -- or like I said use one of Stone's articles and re-write it in your own words -

You are only 5 posts from being able to send a private message but if you get the article together you can send it to the PIPS helpdesk and I will have a look -

Then when I get through my issues we can talk about the class again, ok?