Search Engine Optimization

[butchhamilton]

In MLM and network marketing, there is one thing that is apparent to me. Almost none of them actually show or teach you how to get to the top of the search engine of Google with your sites. They seem to be talking more about gathering your family and friends together, and making a call to recruit them into your business.

There are specific things that you should be made aware of right out of the gate.

1. If you have an affiliate site, it is NOT promotable on the Internet.

2. You are going to have to do more than just point a domain to your site. You are going to have to construct a good marketing site to promote your site adequately.

3. You are going to have to become good at doing keyword research. Keywords, ad content and links drive the entire Internet. If you do not understand these basic elements, you are doomed to fail.

4. You are going to have to become fully aware that the only REAL way to promote your business is by writing content. There is no big secret to this process. It has to be done, in a keyword specific manner to blogs, forums, press release services, social networks and more.

5. Staying the course, and learning the process is the key to operating a successful search engine optimization campaign.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

In MLM and network marketing, there is one thing that is apparent to me. Almost none of them actually show or teach you how to get to the top of the search engine of Google with your sites. They seem to be talking more about gathering your family and friends together, and making a call to recruit them into your business.

There are specific things that you should be made aware of right out of the gate.

1. If you have an affiliate site, it is NOT promotable on the Internet.

2. You are going to have to do more than just point a domain to your site. You are going to have to construct a good marketing site to promote your site adequately.

3. You are going to have to become good at doing keyword research. Keywords, ad content and links drive the entire Internet. If you do not understand these basic elements, you are doomed to fail.

4. You are going to have to become fully aware that the only REAL way to promote your business is by writing content. There is no big secret to this process. It has to be done, in a keyword specific manner to blogs, forums, press release services, social networks and more.

5. Staying the course, and learning the process is the key to operating a successful search engine optimization campaign.

Another very important rule of thumb is to SAVE YOUR MONEY! Become very aware that there are no real gurus out there. There are only those trying to sell you their exclusive secret sauce program. Those are nothing but smoke, so once again, SAVE YOUR MONEY!

[butchhamilton]

Also, a great shout to my good friend patrician! Hey Pat, good to be here!

[Trent Brownrigg]

Yeah that is one of the big purposes of PIPS... To be an effective internet network marketer instead of doing it the old-fashioned way.

[Thomas Prendergast]

Question:

I have run successful SEO campaigns for myself and others. I have noticed that once a site has been on the 1st page for a term of time, it stays there even if you quit the SEO campaign.

I had one client that stopped paying for the service and I controlled all 62,000+ backlinks. So I redirected all those backlinks to a different website, literally wiping out all the backlinks, and that site still sits on that top page years later.

Interesting.

Thomas Prendergast

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by Thomas Prendergast

Question:

I have run successful SEO campaigns for myself and others. I have noticed that once a site has been on the 1st page for a term of time, it stays there even if you quit the SEO campaign.

I had one client that stopped paying for the service and I controlled all 62,000+ backlinks. So I redirected all those backlinks to a different website, literally wiping out all the backlinks, and that site still sits on that top page years later.

Interesting.

Thomas Prendergast

Dare I say that you just did your job too well Tom?

[Patrician]

Welcome to Butch and Tom! Long time no hear!

Thank you for sharing your expert insights - with all the gobbly gook and gimmicks it is always good to remind people about the basics.

Logical stuff!

Hope to see more of you two around these parts...

... and still waiting for the Veretekk 2.0 launch with much anticipation!

open... open... open..

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by Patrician

Welcome to Butch and Tom! Long time no hear!

Thank you for sharing your expert insights - with all the gobbly gook and gimmicks it is always good to remind people about the basics.

Logical stuff!

Hope to see more of you two around these parts...

... and still waiting for the Veretekk 2.0 launch with much anticipation!

open... open... open..

Thanks Patricia

Good to be here. We are busy, as usual, but its good to have interaction on a powerful forum like The Warrior Forum! You guys have an amazing following, and I personally like to see the vast amount of information that is available to any, or all, who decide to partake of it.

[seanpar]

Good content on here although is there any software i could use for looking up keywords in my niche besides market samurai?

[Patrician]

Here is a good one:

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

[mrtrabajo]

Thanks for the brutal honesty there is no secret majic wand to success. Takes lots of time,energy and research to become successful.

[Thomas Prendergast]

I don't trust Google's keyword tool. I research using Alexa. Install the Alexa browser tool into your browser. Do a Google keyword search. Look at the Alexa ranking of the top sites. Are they better than 1 million? Better than 100,000? Better than 50,000? If not that keyword is useless.

If so, then look at the Alexa reports and it will tell you what the top keywords are being used to find that website.

Then compare that to Google's keyword tool and my bet is you will be shocked at the discrepancy of what Google is selling you.

Alexa the Web Information Company

Thomas Prendergast

[Thomas Prendergast]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

In MLM and network marketing, there is one thing that is apparent to me. Almost none of them actually show or teach you how to get to the top of the search engine of Google with your sites. They seem to be talking more about gathering your family and friends together, and making a call to recruit them into your business.

There are specific things that you should be made aware of right out of the gate.

1. If you have an affiliate site, it is NOT promotable on the Internet.

2. You are going to have to do more than just point a domain to your site. You are going to have to construct a good marketing site to promote your site adequately.

3. You are going to have to become good at doing keyword research. Keywords, ad content and links drive the entire Internet. If you do not understand these basic elements, you are doomed to fail.

4. You are going to have to become fully aware that the only REAL way to promote your business is by writing content. There is no big secret to this process. It has to be done, in a keyword specific manner to blogs, forums, press release services, social networks and more.

5. Staying the course, and learning the process is the key to operating a successful search engine optimization campaign.

Never promote the MLM self replicated site for a million reasons. Company takes it down. Company goes out of business. Company changes policy and tells you to stop pointing to it. Company takes the site from you. I have seen it all.

Use a GET script in your own hosted domain. What does a Get script do? It pulls all the other sites HTML into your page and stays on your domain. (Not like a forwarded page does.) and also allows you to control the TITLE tags, META tags and embed other thingies that help it rank better in SEO. Like a hidden to the browser but not the robots rss feeds.

Here is an example of a page that is pulling from the original page.

http://thegoodbusiness.net

I teach this stuff from time to time and if anyone is interested I will post a day or two before my next conference.

Thomas Prendergast

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by seanpar

Good content on here although is there any software i could use for looking up keywords in my niche besides market samurai?

I only use a combination of tools for finding niche market keywords. I begin with the Google Adsense Keyword tool. There was a time when i used, and recommended WordTracker; however, I changed my opinions of them quickly when I attended a webinar that they held.

We had this so called SEO guru on the webinar make the statement: "there is only one way to build relevant backlinks for your website, and that is to go out to other blogs, make comments and post your links."

Now, in a broad interpretation of that statement, that would be called comment spamming pure and simple. I refuse to ever pay those jackasses one thin dime for their so called exclusive keyword tool. They proved to me their total ignorance of how the Internet works.

Back to finding good keywords. Researching Alexa.com for the top 5-10 sites, and checking their ranking is one of the most important things that you can do. You use the Google tool for a starting point, then going to Alexa and downloading the toolbar, you can check any site, their ranking, their popularity, etc.

If that keyword that you found is viable, and there are good Alexa.com shows a nice under 100,000 ranking, then you may have a winner. If the top sites are 1 million up, you will know for sure that the keyword you have chosen is not effective.

Just a thought here, look at the Alexa.com ranking for the Warrior Forum! Now that is impressive on Alexa.com, to say the least!

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

I only use a combination of tools for finding niche market keywords. I begin with the Google Adsense Keyword tool. There was a time when i used, and recommended WordTracker; however, I changed my opinions of them quickly when I attended a webinar that they held.

We had this so called SEO guru on the webinar make the statement: "there is only one way to build relevant backlinks for your website, and that is to go out to other blogs, make comments and post your links."

Now, in a broad interpretation of that statement, that would be called comment spamming pure and simple. I refuse to ever pay those jackasses one thin dime for their so called exclusive keyword tool. They proved to me their total ignorance of how the Internet works.

Back to finding good keywords. Researching Alexa.com for the top 5-10 sites, and checking their ranking is one of the most important things that you can do. You use the Google tool for a starting point, then going to Alexa and downloading the toolbar, you can check any site, their ranking, their popularity, etc.

If that keyword that you found is viable, and there are good Alexa.com shows a nice under 100,000 ranking, then you may have a winner. If the top sites are 1 million up, you will know for sure that the keyword you have chosen is not effective.

Just a thought here, look at the Alexa.com ranking for the Warrior Forum! Now that is impressive on Alexa.com, to say the least!

Its also important to keep in mind one thing. Keyword tools are only broad interpretations of what people are searching for. There are many niche markets available, where traffic may show negligible, but sales can be made quite nicely.

Keywords like "How Do I..." are often rich, as average people are always asking questions on the searches. Tapping into that niche can mean an explosion into your business.

[butchhamilton]

The readers of this forum thread might find the review that I wrote on Alexa.com for the Warrior Forum interesting and insightful. Read thewildcatseomaster review...

I habitually visit Alexa.com for my sites, and others. Alexa.com is a positive and driving force in the search engine optimization realm on Google, and is highly reasonable to spend time establishing yourself as an expert in this field.

Becoming highly aware that there is much more to building a business on the Internet in terms of using powerful tools that are readily available, increases the education and knowledge about how this all works together to create wealth from a home business venture.

[seanpar]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

I only use a combination of tools for finding niche market keywords. I begin with the Google Adsense Keyword tool. There was a time when i used, and recommended WordTracker; however, I changed my opinions of them quickly when I attended a webinar that they held.

We had this so called SEO guru on the webinar make the statement: "there is only one way to build relevant backlinks for your website, and that is to go out to other blogs, make comments and post your links."

Now, in a broad interpretation of that statement, that would be called comment spamming pure and simple. I refuse to ever pay those jackasses one thin dime for their so called exclusive keyword tool. They proved to me their total ignorance of how the Internet works.

Back to finding good keywords. Researching Alexa.com for the top 5-10 sites, and checking their ranking is one of the most important things that you can do. You use the Google tool for a starting point, then going to Alexa and downloading the toolbar, you can check any site, their ranking, their popularity, etc.

If that keyword that you found is viable, and there are good Alexa.com shows a nice under 100,000 ranking, then you may have a winner. If the top sites are 1 million up, you will know for sure that the keyword you have chosen is not effective.

Just a thought here, look at the Alexa.com ranking for the Warrior Forum! Now that is impressive on Alexa.com, to say the least!

Thank you for the advice i REALLY appreciate it but when you say some nice under 100,000 ranking what exactly does that mean im looking up keywords for my niche and the query is on a scale from 1-100.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by seanpar

Thank you for the advice i REALLY appreciate it but when you say some nice under 100,000 ranking what exactly does that mean im looking up keywords for my niche and the query is on a scale from 1-100.

For the top sites on a Google search for the keyword you are researching. Those should be well under 100,000 on Alexa.com ranking, to tell if you have a good niche market worth pursuing.

[seanpar]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

For the top sites on a Google search for the keyword you are researching. Those should be well under 100,000 on Alexa.com ranking, to tell if you have a good niche market worth pursuing.

~ Thank you so much Butch for your free, yet amazingly important and useful information.

[DDavis]

I agree with you butch--- "We had this so called SEO guru on the webinar make the statement: "there is only one way to build relevant backlinks for your website, and that is to go out to other blogs, make comments and post your links."

Honestly how is this beneficial for back linking when the blogs problem have a page-rank of 0 or 1. to be honest STUFF ALL. i got my site quickly on to the first page of Google what i would call fast ( 3 months ) for a very competive home based business keyword. But my golden rule was to put back links on site with a PR ( page-rank) of 5 or better. Sometime with things like onlywire doing auto posting it a little different. IM LAZY so i do my research correctly the first time it makes like 100 times easier in the long run.

[butchhamilton]

Good Morning!

Readers on this thread might be interested in the SEO Tip of the Day

I will make it a habit to go and post a new tip daily for the readers and users here.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

Good Morning!

Readers on this thread might be interested in the SEO Tip of the Day

I will make it a habit to go and post a new tip daily for the readers and users here.

Many might ask the question "why would you share your SEO knowledge?" That answer is very simple. We have been involved in the SEO industry for years. There is not much that we do not understand, and implement each and every day in our SEO Optimization Business.

We are on a mission, if you will, to educate, mentor, teach and train those that have an interest in the how tos of the Internet. We have been doing this for many years, and we find that people who follow us, grow and prosper. We hold nothing back, ever, and it is our pleasure to serve the needs of people who are struggling to build a business the right way on Google.

[Thomas Prendergast]

Originally Posted by seanpar

Thank you for the advice i REALLY appreciate it but when you say some nice under 100,000 ranking what exactly does that mean im looking up keywords for my niche and the query is on a scale from 1-100.

Alexa ranks websites by popularity. How frequented is that site. The most frequented site is Google, ranked #1. Facebook is ranked #2, Youtube #3, etc. There are millions of domains on the Internet. To be in the top 100,000 is an indication that your site receives significant traffic. The top 50,000 is an even greater accolade. My company now ranks at 26,000 which is very good.

WF ranks at #157 which is platinum, par excellence and it can be said that the WF is now running with the Big Dogs.

When you search Google with a keyword and the top listings sites all have Alexa rankings larger than 100,000 chances are your keyword is very week.

I use this method to gain greater knowledge and insight to my SEO campaigns. Strategies is a whole different issue.

[Thomas Prendergast]

Originally Posted by DDavis

I agree with you butch--- "We had this so called SEO guru on the webinar make the statement: "there is only one way to build relevant backlinks for your website, and that is to go out to other blogs, make comments and post your links."

Honestly how is this beneficial for back linking when the blogs problem have a page-rank of 0 or 1. to be honest STUFF ALL. i got my site quickly on to the first page of Google what i would call fast ( 3 months ) for a very competitive home based business keyword. But my golden rule was to put back links on site with a PR ( page-rank) of 5 or better. Sometime with things like onlywire doing auto posting it a little different. IM LAZY so i do my research correctly the first time it makes like 100 times easier in the long run.

With the system(s) we use we literally get top rankings (not all the time) within hours. The really competitive keywords can take a few weeks.

The software that bust down the doors on Blogs is Black Hat spam. People that rely on that just don't get it and don't achieve positive results.

[theinternetdude]

Hi

I would also add, that based on 2 major algo updates by Google, the mayday update last year and this year's Panda update, it certainly shows that G is going to focus even more attention to quality, trust factor, authority aspects of your website.

As well, organic rankings are evolving all the time. So, if you rely upon links as your main way to rank, you may be in for some surprises in the future. Its becoming more prevalent, that links are being devalued and certain types, will just plain cause your sites to disappear from the SERPs.

Google has stated, social signals are now part of the algorithms like Twitter and Facebook as 2 examples. Google +1 is rolling out and you better believe, this will be a bigger part of how you rank, if you site is seen as popular.

There's also personalized search and local search that will impact everything we do.

Some suggestion IMHO....

Branding yourself and becoming an authority is the key in your market. Look at sites like Amazon. Place an ebook on kindle, add some keyword specific terms, without over doing it, and watch at how quickly that ebook can show up on page 1. Even for very competitive terms...

The guys over at seomoz had an excellent article about ranking factors. They evaluated 10,200 keywords and found 8 top signals...very interesting results...here's the link below.

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/early-ran...nkscape-update

Make it a great day everyone.

[TheOnlineEra]

excellent tips..

i wonder if the page content and keyword density can be explained a bit more

[David Ogden]

Originally Posted by theinternetdude

Hi

I would also add, that based on 2 major algo updates by Google, the mayday update last year and this year's Panda update, it certainly shows that G is going to focus even more attention to quality, trust factor, authority aspects of your website.

Darrell,
I have seen a lot about the Panda update but to be honest it has not appeared to have any effect on my results perhaps you can explain what all the rumpas is about

[tuneup]

Key word summary

Keywords should be at least 3 words long (called a keyword) of what people type into the search engine.

Should have at least 800 -5000 searches a month associated with that keyword

Should have less than 500,000 competing pages.

Ideally you should be able to monetize the keywords. In other words if these keywords draw visitors to your site you should be able to sell something to them like:
A Service and/or
A product and/or
A subscription to a newsletter or membership to a group

For organic listings less keywords are better. Generally I use 4-6 including the keywords of your main title. (This is usually 2 or 3 keywords here). Google accepts 68 characters in the title.

Content is king – Original content containing 3% keywords per page is acceptable.

So in every 100 words of content, and using say 4 keywords only then: For every 100 words, your 4 keywords will make up just 12 (3% x 4=12) words; so you have 88 words that expand on your 4 keywords. That is about 30 words describe each keyword.

So a 300 word article will contain 36 words that are keywords selected by you. Google will usually find others that you may not even be aware of.

Remember also that the use keywords is both an art and a science and although the above is a guide it is just from my perspective.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by David Ogden

Darrell,
I have seen a lot about the Panda update but to be honest it has not appeared to have any effect on my results perhaps you can explain what all the rumpas is about

Well stated David.

People seem to be concerned over what Google is doing, nor not doing. The fact of the matter is, in my opinion, good content will always prevail on the search engines. I will leave all the speculation and concerns to the so called gurus.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by TheOnlineEra

i wonder if the page content and keyword density can be explained a bit more

Page content simply means being keyword specific in your goal to reach the top of the keyword, or phrases that you are promoting. Most are totally off base with their interpretation of what a good article is.

For example:

If you were going to go after the keyword term leads, then your title would be: LEADS

Nothing more, nothing less. Google spiders are not intelligent. They only gather information. They will put your information exactly where you tell them to put it.

A bad title would be: LEADS FOR YOUR MLM BUSINESS AND HOW TO MAKE MONEY WITH THOSE LEADS.

See the difference? Confusing to the spider.

Content would be something like: Leads are essential to building any MLM or network marketing business. Leads should be considered as one of the most important aspect of drawing attention to your business concern. Without leads, your business will simply not grow as it should.

I trust this will help you decide on the content you need to put your information at the top of your keyword.

By the way, metatag and keyword density is another aspect of SEO dribble talk. Write good content and prosper.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by tuneup

Key word summary

Keywords should be at least 3 words long (called a keyword) of what people type into the search engine.

Should have at least 800 -5000 searches a month associated with that keyword

Should have less than 500,000 competing pages.

Ideally you should be able to monetize the keywords. In other words if these keywords draw visitors to your site you should be able to sell something to them like:
A Service and/or
A product and/or
A subscription to a newsletter or membership to a group

For organic listings less keywords are better. Generally I use 4-6 including the keywords of your main title. (This is usually 2 or 3 keywords here). Google accepts 68 characters in the title.

Content is king – Original content containing 3% keywords per page is acceptable.

So in every 100 words of content, and using say 4 keywords only then: For every 100 words, your 4 keywords will make up just 12 (3% x 4=12) words; so you have 88 words that expand on your 4 keywords. That is about 30 words describe each keyword.

So a 300 word article will contain 36 words that are keywords selected by you. Google will usually find others that you may not even be aware of.

Remember also that the use keywords is both an art and a science and although the above is a guide it is just from my perspective.

Good information. The fact of the matter is that if one writes content, they will be accomplishing the one thing that they need to be doing on a consistent basis.

For most, writing is the one thing that they will NOT do! Hey, even BAD content will work, if done consistently!

[Thomas Prendergast]

Originally Posted by theinternetdude

Google has stated, social signals are now part of the algorithms like Twitter and Facebook as 2 examples. Google +1 is rolling out and you better believe, this will be a bigger part of how you rank, if you site is seen as popular.

Indexing Facebook will be interesting to watch since Facebook refuses access to robots and it is virtually impossible to index the entire Facebook system.

It just is not going to happen.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by Thomas Prendergast

Indexing Facebook will be interesting to watch since Facebook refuses access to robots and it is virtually impossible to index the entire Facebook system.

It just is not going to happen.

I have never known why Facebook is such a non-friendly SEO site. You would think with that kind of power, the least that they could do is open it up for indexing? Just a thought!

[theinternetdude]

Originally Posted by Thomas Prendergast

Indexing Facebook will be interesting to watch since Facebook refuses access to robots and it is virtually impossible to index the entire Facebook system.

It just is not going to happen.

I have seen many times during keyword research, Facebook pages ranking, although I don't recall specific words right now. So, Google is definitely recognizing the power of Facebook. I agree, they are limited, but Google and the other search engines and using those social signals.

The people over at seomoz, did the evaluation, running data tests. So, its not, a guessing game. Those are results they got back. I am sure, you could post that question over to Rand and the other folks Tom, to find out your thoughts above. Its a good question to ponder

Cheers

[theinternetdude]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

Well stated David.

People seem to be concerned over what Google is doing, nor not doing. The fact of the matter is, in my opinion, good content will always prevail on the search engines. I will leave all the speculation and concerns to the so called gurus.

I agree Butch, good content "should" prevail, but you and anyone following organic search results know for a fact, the best content is not always rising to the top. I believe over time, and this is my opinion only, as the algo's get better, more of the quality content will rise.

As far as being concerned about what Google is doing - anyone involved in seo and wanting to rank, should be aware. When the search engines change their algo's, which they do all the time, your search results can dramatically change. Just talk to Chris Knight at Ezine articles. They lost a lot of traffic and revenue. Now, they have rebounded somewhat, but they took a big hit in the pocket book.

I am not so much concerned with Google, as I am simply saying, to not be aware of what's going on, if you are using SEO, is a strategic mistake IMHO.

Why is Tom taking veretekk to go social? Cause, its the direction of where things have gone and will continue to go. Its the smart thing to do. Its always about building relationships to have a stable business.

[theinternetdude]

Originally Posted by David Ogden

Darrell,
I have seen a lot about the Panda update but to be honest it has not appeared to have any effect on my results perhaps you can explain what all the rumpas is about

Hey David

I will just say, that there is a ton of information online about this topic, so I will include a couple of links that go into detail.

Like Butch has mentioned, if your site has good original content, you will be fine overall. The problem with Panda, is innocent sites got taken out.

Here are 2 good articles that summarizes many sites that got hit. In my opinion, some deserved it due to poor content.

Google Panda Update from Sistrix

Google Panda update from Searchengine land

I hope that helps.

Cheers

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by theinternetdude

Why is Tom taking veretekk to go social? Cause, its the direction of where things have gone and will continue to go. Its the smart thing to do. Its always about building relationships to have a stable business.

The truth is Veretekk has always been a 'social network' before Web2.0 or before anybody started using that term.

Thom Prendergast accomplished this by his use of VoIP web conferencing software (Vereconference)- in his weekly meetings as well as the trainers who have rooms - and now everybody has a room even if they can't pay for one.

Others use what I just call junk for so-called 'webinars' - horrible phone lines with people screaming in the background, beeping, etc - others use a combination of online and phone - so passe'.

He also is one of the only ones to use Skype as a 'social' network - holding group conferences and making even his helpdesk a group on Skype!

As well he was one of the first to have a corporate blog (The BlogFather) - Loads of ways to be 'social' and embrace the concept of 'networking' throughout his organization.

I have been around lots of systems and programs this last 7 years and I will always say there is no system like Veretekk - you will find fragments and imitators - but you will only get the whole pie as far as internet marketing tools with the Cadillac! (my nickname for Veretekk).

(and by the way not to take anything away from PIPS which is not an 'Internet Marketing Tool Suite' but an Affiliate Marketing System)...

[theinternetdude]

Originally Posted by Patrician

The truth is Veretekk has always been a 'social network' before Web2.0 or before anybody started using that term.

Thom Prendergast accomplished this by his use of VoIP web conferencing software (Vereconference)- in his weekly meetings as well as the trainers who have rooms - and now everybody has a room even if they can't pay for one.

Others use what I just call junk for so-called 'webinars' - horrible phone lines with people screaming in the background, beeping, etc - others use a combination of online and phone - so passe'.

He also is one of the only ones to use Skype as a 'social' network - holding group conferences and making even his helpdesk a group on Skype!

As well he was one of the first to have a corporate blog (The BlogFather) - Loads of ways to be 'social' and embrace the concept of 'networking' throughout his organization.

I have been around lots of systems and programs this last 7 years and I will always say there is no system like Veretekk - you will find fragments and imitators - but you will only get the whole pie as far as internet marketing tools with the Cadillac! (my nickname for Veretekk).

(and by the way not to take anything away from PIPS which is not an 'Internet Marketing Tool Suite' but an Affiliate Marketing System)...

I am well aware of Veretekk and yes, I stand corrected - Tom has been using it in a social way, so let me retract that part of my above statement.

Vereconference, I believe uses ivocalizer technology if my memory serves me correct??? Maybe Tom can advise me on that, if its changed.

I used Veretekk for about 3 years extensively, so I know Tom and Butch quite well. I was, 1 of the first, using the beta plat system in a team setting, so totally familiar with all aspects of this system. I don't use the system anymore for my own personal reasons.

Cheers

[theinternetdude]

I will add, that webinar technology has got a lot better over the years. Go to meetings has improved their technology and I think its a pretty decent system. Although, I do think, that vereconference system, is still a better system overall.

[CitizenEra5ed]

What a great thread this is.

I'm brand new to affiliate marketing and up until about a month ago, had never heard of SEO so I think this is going to be invaluable

Bookmarked

Chris

[Thomas Prendergast]

OK Darell,

Checked out your site. Looks impressive, but let me ask for some credentials if I may:

What kind of SEO results can you show us?

How many domains do you own?

What kind of Alexa rankings are you pulling down?

Bottom line, are you finally making money with the Internet?

[designabove]

If you want that your site is looking on top and in the first page then you have to share seo. Many might ask the question "why would you share your SEO knowledge?" That answer is very simple. We have been involved in the SEO industry for years. There is not much that we do not understand, and implement each and every day in our SEO Optimization Business.

[Clint Butler]

Butch/Tom,

I want to take the time to thank you guys for providing all this valuable information. As a matter of disclosure I will say that I am a user of the Veretekk system. But more than that I am a student of Tom's and Patrician's and I learned 90% of what I know about internet marketing and 100% SEO from those two wonderful people. I enjoy reading your thread and just wanted to publicly thank you for help bring my dreams to reality and truly succeeding online.

Regards,
Clint

[butchhamilton]

After being involved in the search engine optimization business for many years, it is apparent that there are two distinct types of people, and thought for that matter, that apply here.

You have the purely academic approach.

You have the real time, down in the trenches, working approach.

The academic approach deals with so-called gurus, huddling in different cliques on the Internet that gather to expound on their knowledge about what Google is doing, or not doing. They will banter on incessantly about meta tag keyword density, relevancy of content and form, and the never ending babble about the new ways that Google is indexing sites. The what to do, and what not to do is nothing but confusing to average people trying to make money on the Internet. But, when you take a look at their actual work in the field, they neither have sites that rate well, or sites that make them money. They will come on as pure experts in the field, but in actual working conditions, they are nothing but people who are out there trying to make an impression on how powerful they are.

The hands on workers, the people who are live and work on the Internet for many hours per day, writing the content, building the pages, creating backlinks that point their their sites and getting visitors to that site, are the ones that this whole process called making money on the Internet is all about. These are the people that others should naturally gravitate to, and not the gurus out their pitching their wares about their knowledge and power.

The root of this question has to be. Will SEO make you money? Will a top position on a high traffic keyword on Google put cash in hand? Will touting your claims of power in terms of getting to the top of the search engines on keywords put one thin dime in the pocket?

The answer is NO!

Just having a position on Google, and having site visitors is not the whole story. Unless the person who is working the SEO campaign is willing to talk to the leads that come in on the capture pages and build a relationship with that person, the chances are small, and almost non-existent, that money will be made. In essence, people do NOT join businesses. They join YOU! Anyone that thinks that people are going to fall right into their best MLM or network marketing gig just because they have worked and created one million backlinks for their website, they will wake at the end of the month with zero dollars in their pocket for their efforts.

I have been earning my living, you notice that I say earning my living, on the Internet for over eight years. I have consistently written more content, on more subjects, than most people can fathom. Notice that I say make my living? I did NOT say I am getting rich, but rather I have been able to secure income from proven search engine optimization techniques for years.

That is the deciding factor when newbies, or even seasoned veterans of Internet marketing, choose to follow and pay attention to. Personally, I want to listen to the man or woman who is making money. I will mold and gear my marketing techniques, as they are proven to work. I fly past so-called gurus, as I could care less about their senseless and over educated rhetoric.

You want the keys to marketing online? Do you want to know exactly how to make money online? You want to crack the code on building a business on Google? The answer will be found below.

Go write some stuff!

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by butchhamilton

After being involved in the search engine optimization business for many years, it is apparent that there are two distinct types of people, and thought for that matter, that apply here.

You have the purely academic approach.

You have the real time, down in the trenches, working approach.

The academic approach deals with so-called gurus, huddling in different cliques on the Internet that gather to expound on their knowledge about what Google is doing, or not doing. They will banter on incessantly about meta tag keyword density, relevancy of content and form, and the never ending babble about the new ways that Google is indexing sites. The what to do, and what not to do is nothing but confusing to average people trying to make money on the Internet. But, when you take a look at their actual work in the field, they neither have sites that rate well, or sites that make them money. They will come on as pure experts in the field, but in actual working conditions, they are nothing but people who are out there trying to make an impression on how powerful they are.

The hands on workers, the people who are live and work on the Internet for many hours per day, writing the content, building the pages, creating backlinks that point their their sites and getting visitors to that site, are the ones that this whole process called making money on the Internet is all about. These are the people that others should naturally gravitate to, and not the gurus out their pitching their wares about their knowledge and power.

The root of this question has to be. Will SEO make you money? Will a top position on a high traffic keyword on Google put cash in hand? Will touting your claims of power in terms of getting to the top of the search engines on keywords put one thin dime in the pocket?

The answer is NO!

Just having a position on Google, and having site visitors is not the whole story. Unless the person who is working the SEO campaign is willing to talk to the leads that come in on the capture pages and build a relationship with that person, the chances are small, and almost non-existent, that money will be made. In essence, people do NOT join businesses. They join YOU! Anyone that thinks that people are going to fall right into their best MLM or network marketing gig just because they have worked and created one million backlinks for their website, they will wake at the end of the month with zero dollars in their pocket for their efforts.

I have been earning my living, you notice that I say earning my living, on the Internet for over eight years. I have consistently written more content, on more subjects, than most people can fathom. Notice that I say make my living? I did NOT say I am getting rich, but rather I have been able to secure income from proven search engine optimization techniques for years.

That is the deciding factor when newbies, or even seasoned veterans of Internet marketing, choose to follow and pay attention to. Personally, I want to listen to the man or woman who is making money. I will mold and gear my marketing techniques, as they are proven to work. I fly past so-called gurus, as I could care less about their senseless and over educated rhetoric.

You want the keys to marketing online? Do you want to know exactly how to make money online? You want to crack the code on building a business on Google? The answer will be found below.

Go write some stuff!

Once again, I turn to Alexa.com. Downloading the Alexa toolbar, and researching sites, is the best way to learn why different sites are working, and others are nothing but needless digital trash. Using that guideline to choose effective keywords, and researching the whys that a particular site reached the top, draws traffic, and probably earns money, is the deciding factor. Until people are willing to take that step into the real world of marketing and building a business online, all the rest is nothing but needless time wasting energy.

If you think for one moment that simply coming in, joining a business, and getting to the top of Google is going to make you rich, then you my friend, are totally uneducated in the process. It is time for you to make a positive move in the right direction, and only use, and listen to the people who ARE making money, ARE earning their living on the Internet, and ARE willing to teach train and mentor others in that pursuit.

[theinternetdude]

Originally Posted by Thomas Prendergast

OK Darell,

Checked out your site. Looks impressive, but let me ask for some credentials if I may:

What kind of SEO results can you show us?

How many domains do you own?

What kind of Alexa rankings are you pulling down?

Bottom line, are you finally making money with the Internet?

I have many seo results, some that you were fully aware from a few years back. Others I simply would not disclose to you by choice.

I don't have an alexa ranking such as veretekk as you are probably aware. However, some of my sites are coming along nicely. I'm sure you can simply look on the alexa toolbar and discover for yourself what my ranking is.

Yes, Tom I do make money.

I own a few dozen domains. Not really why you think that is necessary to know, since it makes no difference whether I own 5 sites or 500.

Cheers and have a great day

[shakmoney]

Can you contact me on skype i sent you a message from chaldoray, i have a lot of questions on SEO. We hired many SEO guys, all scammers, and take our money. I am getting tired of it, just need to talk about our niche it's not competitive, and will pay for your help.

[butchhamilton]

Originally Posted by shakmoney

Can you contact me on skype i sent you a message from chaldoray, i have a lot of questions on SEO. We hired many SEO guys, all scammers, and take our money. I am getting tired of it, just need to talk about our niche it's not competitive, and will pay for your help.

You can find my contact info on my Warrior Forum Blog

[butchhamilton]

Webinar Invitation

I am personally inviting any, and all people here at The Warrior Forum, to come to my webinar today, concerning building a professional profile on Google.

This is a timely webinar, and is geared to the professional marketer, or the newbie, who is looking to establish themselves properly on the Internet for their name, and their business.

Butch Hamiltons Webinar Invitation

Just follow the instructions listed on the link above. I look forward to seeing you there!

[DDavis]

Originally Posted by shakmoney

Can you contact me on skype i sent you a message from chaldoray, i have a lot of questions on SEO. We hired many SEO guys, all scammers, and take our money. I am getting tired of it, just need to talk about our niche it's not competitive, and will pay for your help.

can you do your signature section and i will have a look at your site for you, as im using a product that a few SEO experts use to rank on the first page of google with as well as some SEO on your site.

Easy way to create signature in Warrior Forum