[Po]

Hi all Pipsters....

I've been reading the 30 day trainings and really looked at the pips system carefully....

So my question or comment....

Why not make GetResponse a part of the core PIPS program? How about income stream #6?

I mean... everyone that joins PIPS have to sign up with GetResponse anyway... besides that how about replacing Clickbank with GetResponse....

There is no benefit when people sign up for Clickbank...

Pipsters.... what are your thoughts?

[JJonesRN3]

Hi,


It makes alot of sense to include getresponse as a 6 income. I wonder what is Stone's reason
for not doing what seems so obvious to most PiPS owners. I've read post by experienced PIPS
owner addressing this issue. The questioned has been asked already. I wonder what the official reply was if any. Web prosperity would be atleast a descent program if it had a great autoresponder you can use for all your on line business. So you have an autorespnoner you donot make money on (getresponse) and if you joined web prosperity you have a autoresponder for only one of your six businesses, and your paying for both. Now does that make sense? As my mother would say sometimes common sense is not to common.


To your success and happiness,

[Roy J. Keller]

Originally Posted by Po

Hi all Pipsters....

I've been reading the 30 day trainings and really looked at the pips system carefully....

So my question or comment....

Why not make GetResponse a part of the core PIPS program? How about income stream #6?

I mean... everyone that joins PIPS have to sign up with GetResponse anyway... besides that how about replacing Clickbank with GetResponse....

There is no benefit when people sign up for Clickbank...

Pipsters.... what are your thoughts?

Hi Po,

In the past the best answer that has been given for this question is that since Stone wrote the entire email series that he gives all PIPSTERS for FREE that it is his affiliate ID that each of us sign-up under. Which makes common sense to me.

Once you sign-up to Getresponce you too are an affiliate and can promote it(outside of PIPS) and if some one signs-up under you then you would make money. But in your promotion you can only offer the Getresponce program itself unless you have your own personally written email series(not a copy of Stones') that you can load for them. Also in any PIPS related ads the link would be Stones'. At least that is how I understand it to be.

I am sure if I have spoke out of turn or wrongly some wiser PIPSTER will correct me, but I do think this is how it works. Stone did the work therefore he gets the rewards, only the right thing. And if you promote GR outside of PIPS the rewards would be yours, rightfully so.

Regards,
Roy

[Jeff Schuman]

Roy explained it very well and I agree with him. I always thought it was fair for Stone to get credit for all GetResponse sales. That is the only real guaranteed income for him off of the PIPS sign-ups as everyone else gets to make money on SFI, Empowerism etc. even if they are not in Stone's downline. Of course he can personally sign up new PIPS members too, and he has proven to be a real leader in that.

[Patrician]

yes - well i actually still think that after Stone pays for everything including my salary to set up the sites free of charge, provide the training, and all the rest free of charge * , that he does deserve to get one commission from Getresponse - and it is not even required - it is optional.

*including $25 rebates that go to encourage YOUR downline, and comes right straight out of his pocket for YOU.

...and remember, it is your sponsor that gets paid for you joining all the affiliate programs - not Stone unless of course he is the direct sponsor.

Don't forget I am me, a PIPS member and sometimes that is who is talking, not the MSD/Mod or anything on Stone's behalf. So here we go with the familiar bee in my bonnet:

I cannot for the life of me understand when people have no appreciation for all that Stone has provided and resent that he is able to make commissions from his own program. I am actually embarassed by the rudeness.

[ramiro99]

Hi Patrician,

I agree that Stone deserves the commissions of GetResponse. ; ) Because he provides the PIPS set up free and the 400 prewritten letters.

My only feeling is that sometimes I think that he suggests something in the 30 days to success more thinking in getting a commission that in helping us , like in Adminder Guaranteed Visitors that all of us knows that 000`s of guaranteed visitors = 1 , 2 or 0 targeted visitors.

P.S. In general terms I believe PIPS is the best program out there.

Regards,

Ramiro

[Alan Mater]

Originally Posted by ramiro99

My only feeling is that sometimes I think that he suggests something in the 30 days to success more thinking in getting a commission that in helping us , like in Adminder Guaranteed Visitors that all of us knows that 000`s of guaranteed visitors = 1 , 2 or 0 targeted visitors.


Ramiro

I totally agree with that. Some of the promotions in the guide are completely worthless, not to mention a waste of money. No doubt that PIPS is a great system. I just wish Stone would put more effort into helping people by providing a guide more focused into actual working strategies.

Just my 2 cents

[Po]

Roy.... Thanks for the clarification!

But Pat....

Originally Posted by Patrician

I cannot for the life of me understand when people have no appreciation for all that Stone has provided and resent that he is able to make commissions from his own program. I am actually embarassed by the rudeness.

Before you go saying "people have no appreciation" ... "resent" ..."rudeness"...

As much as I admired your PASSION for the PIPS program..... comments like that are not healthy for anyone ...

I would think that you [especially when you're a moderator] would want to MOTIVATE fellow pipsters... to succeed and not to put anyone down....

when all they're asking is what other pipsters think about it.....

Making GetResponse a possible income stream #6....

I sincerely believe PIPS is one of the best program to make money online....

And I'm planning to take the PIPS program long-term......

[Patrician]

Hi Po - no offense was intended and although you are the OP in this thread, I often speak in generalties because 99% of the time a topic like this will bring the haters out of the woodwork. Sorry if I over-reacted. (when passion becomes defensive)

The other alternative is to just delete a topic outright before the nasty comments start. This would be censorship and I try never to do that (although one remark was deleted that maybe you never noticed in the first place, so you don't have my frame of reference either generally or particular to this thread).

Walk in my shoes for a minute:

I have been around as a PIPS member for more years than I have been a moderator or the member support director.

I have seen and responded to this same issue probably 100 times (phrased or staged in different ways), so please forgive me if you feel offended (and I admit I do 'fly off the handle' when the stress is overwhelming like today).

You said 'Pipsters what are your thoughts' - well I am a PIPster and those were my thoughts.

Being a moderator or anything else does not make me anything but a fallible human being -and I am still entitled to my opinion.

I do want to encourage you and everyone else. However I can't be phony about my feelings on this subject and I can't encourage you in this regard.

Actually Po, I feel honesty is more important than being patronizing or politically correct. I think we were both honest. Hopefully we can keep that dynamic going.

I will grow on you (I hope).

[JJonesRN3]

Hi,


Okay, Thank you for the clarifications. It makes a lot of sense to me now why get response is not the 6 income stream. I new the experience PIP owners had a logical and sensible answer. Thanks for enlightening us newbies about the ins and outs of the Pips business.

[maxxoudd]

The problem here is you don't read between the lines of the sales page carefully. Let me put it this way. You never put yourself on commission in a system when you own that system :confused:...What? You get 100%

[jinmin]

I agree about making Getresponse as Income Stream #6. I think it would be great too if GDI to be part of PIPS, maybe to replace Empowerism ? I believed will be glad and more likely to signup for GDI compare to Empowerism as it costs only $10.00 /month.

[Alan Mater]

You can cancel your Empowerism subscription later and still earn commissions from people that you refer. Read over their comp plan for free members.

[Patrician]

For Empowerism Free you can earn fast-start bonuses $20 but NO referral commissions. This would be for 3 months only - then you would earn nothing.

This is the last I heard - Alan is this the same info you have?

[Alan Mater]

Originally Posted by Patrician

For Empowerism Free you can earn fast-start bonuses $20 but NO referral commissions. This would be for 3 months only - then you would earn nothing.

This is the last I heard - Alan is this the same info you have?

Hmm... I thought it was different when I last checked. I'd have to look again and see.

If my memory serves me right it said about receiving a recurring commissions from paid members, but not as much as you could receive as being a paid member yourself.

:confused:

[Patrician]

Yes - fast start $20 for 3 months as a free member, but no monthly referral commissions (paid members get both) -

... after 3 months free, then nothing...

It hasn't been too long since I checked this but the way things change, you never know...

[jinmin]

That's new info for me... Thanks Patrician and Alan for sharing this.

[markw2006]

I think its right thatStone should get the referrals for Get Response. After all its his 400 emails we're using over the course of a year.

Surely he should get something for that hard work

Mark