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Unread 18th Apr 2012, 01:55 PM   #1
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My PIPS site now has another problem. For about 4 months, I have been ranking among the first 10 results with my keywords "great home business ideas, home business ideas, great home business and home business" in Google. But it's now two days since my keyword ranking in Google dropped to oblivion. I have tried to search using the same keywords and the site cannot be seen not even in the first 100 results. It's nowhere to be seen.

I am now wondering as to what could have happened and what I can do to rectify the problem. Could it be as a result of:
  • change of serch engine ranking algorithm?
  • loss of link popularity?
  • malware or hacking?
  • the server problems I recently experienced?
  • robot text issues?
  • penalty by Google for violation of some guideline I have not yet known?
  • linking to a bad neughbourhood?
What could really have happened? I have also noticed that at times the site hangs up and takes long to open especially when accessing the dashboard. Could it be a result of that? Can anyone bail me out? I will be grateful for your support.

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Well you know me - right or wrong the first thing I would look at is your slow loading - clear your cache - clean your registry - reboot your computer.

I pulled it right up in Chrome - maybe just a few seconds delay --- CONTACT THE HOST AND ASK THEM. https://gogvo.com/affiliates/login.php - 24/7

Anything technical go to them FIRST because the answer and/or FIX will be FASTER.

but I do get a warning from McAfee site advisor that it is risky - so I don't know why - I get that on a lot of sites I know are not risky - even just logging in to an affiliate account - as if I was the owner (to set up hosting for example)

This can also happen 'bad neighborhood' if they get their panties in a bunch about spam complaints from one of your programs - and just about EVERY program gets on one of those lists from time to time because the AFFILIATES ARE SPAMMERS - NOT THE PROGRAM.

This may or may not be part of the problem.

When I go to Google and type your domain I get About 47,000 results (0.09 seconds) and I see several links on page one that are yours.

I think people put too much worry into 'ranking' - yes it is important - but how much money do you make from ranking? as long as your links come up on page 1 or 2 you could make some money if a human clicks it and buys something - regardless of your 'ranking'.

With that said ranking changes from day to day - but you maybe should find out if there is something you are doing that Google doesn't like you anymore. Use your Webmaster account for one thing - write to THEM -

(like once I got sandboxed for using a link building scheme - too many links all at once - unnatural - penalized for 'gimmick').

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What Pat said and she is 100% correct about checking your GWT account. Be advised that when we have a GWT Account we are expected to follow the rules and more importantly: actively participate. Just keep in mind that GWT can be 'behind' with communications. so it may take a quarterly update or even a Panda update before you see any references to your site.

You do have a few obvious problems Goleza.

1) The home page forces a redirect. Google 2012 considers some types of redirects as deceptive. That may be addressed in GWT. The penalty differs from domain to domain.

2) Your WordPress Permalink structure is wrong and this makes it very difficult for the Google Bots to recognize the navigation structure and categorize the content.

3) There are many pages that are not categorized. Normally that is okay, but the search engines suggest that if you are categorizing content as in #2 above: to create categories for all of the content. You cannot have it both ways in GWT 2012. Why? Duplicate URLs which will be de-indexed.

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The way we set permalinks is for custom /%postname%/

Is there something wrong with that? Or did Charles change his settings?

(he is using his own theme so his settings are probably none that I set up when I configured the PIPS theme).

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The way we set permalinks is for custom /%postname%/

Is there something wrong with that?
Nothing wrong with that unless the there are also HTML pages similar to WordPress Pages. That would step into the GWT Duplicate URL rule.

Matt Cutts suggested this wordpress permalink structure in 2011 as it it is easier for the Google Bots:
/%category%/%postname%/

Charle's permalink structure appears to be:
/%category%/%postname%/

but he has created a parent category literally titled: category and under it he has created child categories with posts titles.

There are also articles that are not categorized.

So, unless that was intentional then yes the permalink structure is wrong because it is a mix of permalinks.

Here is a short list:
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http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/article-marketing/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/business-general/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/business-planning/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/e-commerce/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/email-marketing/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/entrepreneurship/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/internet-marketing/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/online-business-2/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/online-business/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/self-development/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/category/website-traffic/

http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/grow-your-online-home-business-by-learning-from-others/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/ordering-process-how-to-set-up-an-ordering-process-in-your-online-home-business/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/website-sales-copy-how-to-write-an-effective-website-sales-copy/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/online-payment-accept-payment-through-your-website/
http://www.cashwithgoleza.com/back-up-your-files-and-website-to-avoid-disappointment-and-losing-your-online-home-business/
Now, because of the URLs that are not categorized you can see how easy it would be to create similar URLs that GWT identifies as duplicate URLs. In any event GWT will in fact de-index duplicate URLs unless the URLs are resolved in GWT.


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The way we set permalinks is for custom /%postname%/

(he is using his own theme so his settings are probably none that I set up when I configure the PIPS theme).
Exactly! Also, if there was a Cpanel to Cpanel transfer to a new host it "is" mandatory to reset the permalinks and other settings on the theme after the transfer is complete.

It is common for a new theme to use its default permalink settings. Charles may or may not have known to changed the permalink structure when he changed themes only he would know this.

In any event, the site may be dropping PR, backlinks, etc. not due to a change of hosts. Actually it should improve since the new host is superior to the old host. My opinion is the drop is due to Bots having difficulty with the site navigation and in WordPress it starts with the permalinks.

Also, this has yet to be proven, but the last Panda Update suggests that more than three ads on any page is considered excessive. Webmasters are still arguing how that works. Some of the PIPS sites I maintain have more than three ads per page and they were not penalized, yet others were.Kinda makes you want to pull your ghair out at times. BTW, I am partially bald anyway, smile.

This is a know historical fact.. when you do change hosts,

When I buy existing websites and change hosts, permalinks, etc. it does trigger the Bots into a scurry of new activity It is usually temporary and we see ups and downs in both PR and backlinks. Personally, I watch GWT closely for the first thirty days and fix as I go. After thirty days the cards will fall where they may. Usually for the better.

Also, other reasons for the problems are:
1) It is not the default PIPS theme
2) Work on the site was performed by PIPS Help

Therefore, all of Pat's work has pretty much been overridden and changed to the point that it is only natural that problems are in order.

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A great big Thank You to our SEO Guru, Jeffery!

(especially when I have been absolved!)

You have the true Warrior Forum Spirit of Giving VALUE!

If I was paying you I would give you a raise and bonus!

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Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

What Pat said and she is 100% correct about checking your GWT account. Be advised that when we have a GWT Account we are expected to follow the rules and more importantly: actively participate. Just keep in mind that GWT can be 'behind' with communications. so it may take a quarterly update or even a Panda update before you see any references to your site.

You do have a few obvious problems Goleza.

1) The home page forces a redirect. Google 2012 considers some types of redirects as deceptive. That may be addressed in GWT. The penalty differs from domain to domain.

2) Your WordPress Permalink structure is wrong and this makes it very difficult for the Google Bots to recognize the navigation structure and categorize the content.

3) There are many pages that are not categorized. Normally that is okay, but the search engines suggest that if you are categorizing content as in #2 above: to create categories for all of the content. You cannot have it both ways in GWT 2012. Why? Duplicate URLs which will be de-indexed.

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Thanks Jeffery for helping me to identify those problems and I believe there are many more. Just for clarification, by GWT you mean Google Webmaster Tools?

Secondly, from my observation the problems mentioned really need someone who is a SEO specialist and conversant with Wordpress like you. Is it possible to help me to work on them? It's my humble request. Alternatively, you can guide me on how to go about each of them, I will be grateful.

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Jeffery really deserves it. Thanks Pat for your kindness and for thanking him in a special way. Well done. Bravo Jeffery !!!
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A great big Thank You to our SEO Guru, Jeffery!

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Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

Well you know me - right or wrong the first thing I would look at is your slow loading - clear your cache - clean your registry - reboot your computer.

I pulled it right up in Chrome - maybe just a few seconds delay --- CONTACT THE HOST AND ASK THEM. https://gogvo.com/affiliates/login.php - 24/7

Anything technical go to them FIRST because the answer and/or FIX will be FASTER...............
Yes I have gone to GVO and had a chat with them. Nothing much could be done as it's completely outside the field of work. They say the site is ok and didn't change anything.

Incidentally, I got to learn about the transfer of the site to GVO recently and do not have much info about it. I may need to know when my site's hosting period expires so that I renew early enough in order not to be caught offside.

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Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

What Pat said and she is 100% correct about checking your GWT account. Be advised that when we have a GWT Account we are expected to follow the rules and more importantly: actively participate. Just keep in mind that GWT can be 'behind' with communications. so it may take a quarterly update or even a Panda update before you see any references to your site.
Jeffery, I logged in to my GWT Account and discovered the following warnings on the Sitemap supbmitted on Jan 9, 2012 and processed on April 16, 2012.

1. Warnings
URLs not accessible
When we tested a sample of the URLs from your Sitemap, we found that some URLs were not accessible to Googlebot due to an HTTP status error. All accessible URLs will still be submitted.
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HTTP Error: 404
URL: /website-sales-copy-how-to-write-an-effective-website-sales-copy/

2. Warnings
Some URLs in the Sitemap have a high response time.
Some URLs listed in this Sitemap have a high response time. This may indicate a problem with your server or with the content of the page.

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URL: /spend-money-wisely-to-make-money-online-%E2%80%93-no-doubt-no-tricks/

How can I have those issues resolved? Could they be the ones causing the current problem?

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Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

A great big Thank You to our SEO Guru, Jeffery!

(especially when I have been absolved!)

You have the true Warrior Forum Spirit of Giving VALUE!

If I was paying you I would give you a raise and bonus!

My sincere appreciation will have to suffice.

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Thank you for the cake and the sentiment. It is very nice of you Pat and very much appreciated.

I thank you kindly,

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Originally Posted by goleza View Post

Thanks Jeffery for helping me to identify those problems and I believe there are many more. Just for clarification, by GWT you mean Google Webmaster Tools?

Secondly, from my observation the problems mentioned really need someone who is a SEO specialist and conversant with Wordpress like you. Is it possible to help me to work on them? It's my humble request. Alternatively, you can guide me on how to go about each of them, I will be grateful.
Hi goleza, Charles?

Yes, GWT = Google Webmaster Tools.

Actually it is a very complicated and time consuming project that is one of my highest paid services. It involves full access to your site Cpanel and WordPress and GWT. I am sorry, but I can not extend the service free because it does cost me money to provide the service.

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Alternatively, you can guide me on how to go about each of them, I will be grateful.
I am sorry, but I can not extend the service free because it does cost me money to provide the service.

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Originally Posted by goleza View Post

Jeffery, I logged in to my GWT Account and discovered the following warnings on the Sitemap supbmitted on Jan 9, 2012 and processed on April 16, 2012.

1. Warnings
URLs not accessible
When we tested a sample of the URLs from your Sitemap, we found that some URLs were not accessible to Googlebot due to an HTTP status error. All accessible URLs will still be submitted.
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HTTP Error: 404
URL: /website-sales-copy-how-to-write-an-effective-website-sales-copy/

2. Warnings
Some URLs in the Sitemap have a high response time.
Some URLs listed in this Sitemap have a high response time. This may indicate a problem with your server or with the content of the page.

1
URL: /spend-money-wisely-to-make-money-online-%E2%80%93-no-doubt-no-tricks/

How can I have those issues resolved? Could they be the ones causing the current problem?
My best advise is: First fix the permalink structure and the navigation structure as discussed in a previous post. Next, fix the un-accessible URLs/links in GWT so that they are not de-indexed.

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How can I have those issues resolved? Could they be the ones causing the current problem?
Simply find the URLs and fix them. The next time the GoogleBot spiders the site the links will be accessible. It may take time for GWT to reflect the change and that is normal.

You need to understand those issues are not causing the problem. Rather they are issues as a result of the permalink structure and navigation structure.

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hi.
i want to know my google ranking for my website. How can i see that? Is there any tool for it?

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Hi goleza, Charles?

Yes, GWT = Google Webmaster Tools.

Actually it is a very complicated and time consuming project that is one of my highest paid services. It involves full access to your site Cpanel and WordPress and GWT. I am sorry, but I can not extend the service free because it does cost me money to provide the service.



I am sorry, but I can not extend the service free because it does cost me money to provide the service.

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It's understandable Jeffery. It cannot be free. I have tried to fix the articles that I had not categorised. I think now that issue will be resolved.

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My best advise is: First fix the permalink structure and the navigation structure as discussed in a previous post. Next, fix the un-accessible URLs/links in GWT so that they are not de-indexed.



Simply find the URLs and fix them. The next time the GoogleBot spiders the site the links will be accessible. It may take time for GWT to reflect the change and that is normal.

You need to understand those issues are not causing the problem. Rather they are issues as a result of the permalink structure and navigation structure.

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Thanks Jeffery for your advice. I would like once again to ask you how I can fix the un-accessible links in GWT so that they are de-indexed. Some simple guideline on this please?

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Thanks Jeffery for your advice. I would like once again to ask you how I can fix the un-accessible links in GWT so that they are de-indexed. Some simple guideline on this please?


..."Actually it is a very complicated and time consuming project that is one of my highest paid services. It involves full access to your site Cpanel and WordPress and GWT. I am sorry, but I can not extend the service free because it does cost me money to provide the service."

Also, you have not fixed the redirect and I can see you have not fixed the categories: permalink structure. Not knowing exactly how you did it all it is impossible to create a simple guide. See where I am going with this?

Again, there is no simple guide to fix the extent of your issues because the issues are not simple.

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I'm wondering why nobody suggested that Google might have discovered an "unnatural linking pattern" meant to "manipulate search rankings" and that all of those links might have been devalued, causing a plummet. (or did I miss it?)
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Google keeps on changing the algorithm so that the low quality sites from the search engine results page are removed and the contents are relevant, quality and authoritative. The key to Google ranking is Excellent Quality Content which will tolerate the challenges of Google algorithm any-day, doesn't matter how Google changes.

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Google keeps on changing the algorithm so that the low quality sites from the search engine results page are removed and the contents are relevant, quality and authoritative. The key to Google ranking is Excellent Quality Content which will tolerate the challenges of Google algorithm any-day, doesn't matter how Google changes.
True, care to add something that has not already been said?

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Finally my ranking has improved thanks to the support I got from Pat and Jeffery. You have actually made this forum so resourceful. Please keep up the spirit

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