Okay bare with me please on this, I know that the PIP sales page converts very good, but at the same time it is a rather long page to promote in some places.

I saw the splash pages created, but I was wondering could there be a splash page created that was a small version of the sales page, with all the programs listed, and being very direct to the point, maybe I'm just talking out the side of my neck...lol

If anyone could maybe help me with this idea, because I might not be going in the right direction with what I am trying to say.

[Patrician]

I have to say that I agree with you David. However I always try to keep in mind that Stone knows what he is doing. The proof is in the pudding, and most detractors have not actualized much of anything themselves, so they are just guessing.

However, I think that a shorter version would be good; but, then where do we cut? The testimonials? The various advertisements for the affiliate programs? The long, detailed descriptions of the various components? The bonuses? Each one has a segment of the population that will respond more readily to that particular perspective of looking at it.

I think it could be organized with a menu structure 'click here for testimonials', 'click here for full description of bonuses' and just have bulleted names and lists on the page itself.

My main problem with it I think is that people get lost and confused right in the middle of the 3-steps. I think they should all run together 1-2-3 with nothing in between, as they do when you click the 'join now' buttons.

I am sure there is a 'method to the madness' however and I can remember my first few times going through it years ago. I was awed, and then amazed over and over at all that PIPS included and couldn't stop reading to get to the next thing. I couldn't wait to finish reading it so I could sign up, right from the beginning. So maybe I am not alone here.

I know I am not the average person (non-conformist) and seem not to have the sales gene, so take what I say with a grain of salt - I don't think testimonials are all that and I rarely ever read them. I think these could be way shorter.

I also think that when a page is so lengthly that people will just not read it - and I feel this is the case, since so many ask 'what is this about'? 'How do I make money?' 'I am interested, what should I do now'? 'Why don't I see any money after 2 weeks?'

People see what they want to see and deny the rest - for instance they seem not to ever remember Stone's own story about the years he was working both day and night, and they still expect that having a website is magic - slap it up and collect the money.

I suspect those who quit right away do so as soon as they see there is going to be w-o-r-k involved. It is not about 'it doesn't work' because they never give it a chance (effort+time) - yeh it doesn't instantly materialize like the genie in the lamp, go figure.

Having said all that, although we can use capture pages, splash pages, etc., it is against the PIPS TOS to add or remove anything from the sales page.

[tplahav]

Hi dkrankins,
Why don't you try to create a squeeze page of your own, or a pre-sales page?
let them know in short what is PIPS, offer something, and when they click, they go to the PIPS sales page.

Tanny

See I knew if I posted this thought that I could get it answered they way I was really trying to post it, I just could not get all the wording right.

I trust Stone completely and will never doubt his ability to make something sale, as proven by this PIP site, but I would like to maybe see a shorter sales page if possible, hope I'm not asking too much Stone...

I am working on a personal splash page, but like as stated what do I leave off and what do I keep...now I can see why stone has left it as is...lol

[stone]

Originally Posted by dkrankins

See I knew if I posted this thought that I could get it answered they way I was really trying to post it, I just could not get all the wording right.

I trust Stone completely and will never doubt his ability to make something sale, as proven by this PIP site, but I would like to maybe see a shorter sales page if possible, hope I'm not asking too much Stone...

I am working on a personal splash page, but like as stated what do I leave off and what do I keep...now I can see why stone has left it as is...lol

Hi David,

I'm going to keep this in mind. I will be developing some more PIPS sales tools in the near future and a condensed sales/sign up page would be a good option - just to have in the toolbox.

Thanks for the suggestion. If I haven't completed this by the end of April, private message me through the forum and say... "Ahheemmmm... Stone, you said you'd have that for me by the end of April!"

Thanks again David!

Stone

Thanks Stone!
I will PM you too...lol

[33233]

Originally Posted by dkrankins

Thanks Stone!
I will PM you too...lol

drankins,
From what I have read about direct mail marketing, which is really sales via the printed word, long pages pull better. This is because the person has the time to process in their minds all of their objections and then have them addressed. Direct mail marketing is what they call it offline but online marketing is really direct mail in the form of the internet. Just think of all that crap that comes in your mail box. Some of it many pages long.

[builtin4profit]

Hi,

I really love my pip sales page and i think this is one of the best idea so far lunched by anyone in the internet because it comes with is own website that can be modified
the way we want it i know the sales page is a long page and hard for majority of folks
to read all the way trough but i love the fact that the opt-in sign up is at the top
even if they dont read trough it they still gona be in your auto responder and will
start receiving day after day what you are trying to have them to read in your sales page for that Mr Stone as my top 1 ranking in my mind,

Great work Mr stone and dont stop updating your 30 days success i love it and i am excited to get more!

Home Business Ideas and Opportunities at BuiltIn4Profit.com

I love the PIP sales page also, I'm just throwing up a few suggestion some of my people in my autoresponder have asked if the page could be shorter, some people are so quick to sign up for something before they read the whole page and then they want to get mad when they are not making money.

[talfighel]

I also think that the sales page is way too long. It needs HALF of what is already there to sell.

I don't think that you need to have so many testimonials on one page. Maybe you can have a new page pop up and have all the testimonials there.

Tal

[Kooza]

I actually think the sales page is OK, the more info the better in my opinion. However I think there should be more buttons throughout the page which say "click here to sign up" which go to a separate page.

Then on that page list the instructions of what is needed to sign up rather than incorporating that into the sales page. That page should also be on the pluginprofitsite.com domain so that it can be easily tracked. That way people can also go straight to the instructions of how to join whenever they like without having to find it within the sales page.

I also think that incorporating a video somewhere near the top of the sales page would also help increase conversions. I have seen extremely successful sales pages which basically have a video explaining the opportunity and that's it. You can get a lot of info into a video and they take up very little "real estate" on the page.

I definitely think Stone should use both A/B split testing and multivariate testing provided by Google Web Site Optimizer if he isn't already. Extremely powerful tools for sales letters.

Mike.

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi Mike,

I believe Stone did have a video near the top of the sales page but conversions were not as good....

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Kooza]

plug in profit site

[Kooza]

Click on virtually anyone's signature in this forum and I am sure you will find out quick enough.

Mike.