[zhuuraan]

Hi all!

I've just cancelled my account with PushButtonLeads as in the first 15 days, I only got 1 subscriber.

I have also talked to someone who said they only got 6 subscribers in a year.

While I am sure there may be one or two people who have had luck with this one, I have spoken to several who have not.

Assuming we take the example of the person with 6 subscribers in a year at $20 per month, that works out to $40 per subscriber which just isn't worth it. Even if you double it to 12, that's $20 per subscriber, which to me still isn't worth it.

I can't speak for everyone, but $40 per subscriber just doesn't sound right to me. I don't think it's worth promoting in 30 Days to Success.

Even worse, it would really stink for some newbie who doesn't have a clue what they are doing to get ensnared in something like this and throw away their money that could be put to better use.

I'm glad I noticed before it got out of hand. I'm on extremely limited income, probably more limited than almost anyone else on this forum.

Anyway, if you've used PushButtonLeads, what is your take on it?

Do you think the 30 Days to Success should be used on more worthwhile ventures?

[zhuuraan]

Oh yeah, meant to say too, I know we're looking at quality over quantity for list building here, but the few leads people I've talked to actually get from them is still not enough to justify spending that much, unless you have it to spend, and even then it could be used on more lucrative ventures.

[Alan Mater]

I did the trial and got a few leads. I can't remember exactly how many as it was a couple of years ago. I agree, though, that it's not worth it at all.

Another one we could drop or replace is Adminder. Guaranteed visitors is a joke. I think I ordered something like 10,000 visitors that resulted in nothing. They're supposed to be targeted, but they obviously weren't.

It's just something you try when you're new and starting out. If you want to build your list I highly recommend using GetResponse Power Leads. For $90 you can get 200 leads, which equals .45 per subscriber. These are very targeted, and the ones I've gotten are pretty responsive. Just log into your GetRespone account to learn more.

Another route to build your list for free is to check out rent-a-list.com. You can also create a free ebook or something else and then add it into a JV Giveaway where people will have to join your list in order to download the ebook. They work well.

Hope these suggestions help.

[talfighel]

The best leads are the ones that you generate from your website. I would not recommend you buy them from PBP.

Go to your website and add a code so that when leads opt in, they go to your Getresponse autoresponder.

Tal

[Alan Mater]

Originally Posted by talfighel

The best leads are the ones that you generate from your website. I would not recommend you buy them from PBP.

Go to your website and add a code so that when leads opt in, they go to your Getresponse autoresponder.

Tal

Yes, that's the best way to build your list. The code should already be in place on your website. Make sure you entice your visitors to sign up to your list by offering a free ebook or something that has value.

[zhuuraan]

Thanks Alan.

I have gone the GetSubscribers route, and although I probably didn't really have the money for it, I'm getting a trickle of about 3 subscribers per day primarily from them. Last I checked I had about 26 subscribers. I'll try that rent a list thing though. Especially if it's free, it's definitely something I'd be interested in.

I also agree about removing adminder. Although I haven't used it myself, it seemed a little too pricy for my liking for one thing, and I have seen people that have had issues with it for another.

That's just the point about being something that newbies try. I feel it's a waste of my time and money to do those programs that everyone here says are not worth it anyway and it's true that most people don't have the money to do these things.

Honestly I think I'd get more traffic from Free Traffic Bar or something. Not saying I'd endorse that either as I just joined it, but it looks more promising than PBL or Adminder.

That's why I don't think PBL should be promoted in 30 days. Maybe mention it on the forums, but still make sure the truth is clear in the thread so that people can make more informed decisions about joining.

I did not have access to the forum when I joined as I had not found it yet and if others are like me, they may find themselves getting into a bunch of useless stuff. Luckily I am on limited income or I might have joined some of the other useless stuff because it sounded good.

[zhuuraan]

The code is already there, yes. It was put there when the site was set up.

I do plan to offer something up but right now I am working on modifications to teh site.

I have the code on my computer and am slowly modifying it every day.

I am currently working on unique content and SEO optimization.

I attempted split testing, but since I don't get many visiors, it didn't work too well.

I plan to modify the site and try to drive more traffic to the new site. Then I can hopefully start split testing again.

I am currently in the process of writing a new, personalized feature article that is optimized to my keywords.

That being said, I got the article started in Notepad. I should finish it so that I can update it on the page.

[zhuuraan]

I finished my new feature article. I think relatively soon I will upload my new version of the site. That'll help the search engines since it'll be new content and it'll get something personalized up there, although I still have a lot of work to do.

[alloke613]

I was lack of money in my debit card when my PBL trying to charge me and after that I never renew it. I did not see any charges to my card.

After a few months, I saw in my mailbox that 3 people are trying to sign up for my newsletters from PBL. I manually added them as I may not set PBL properly. This is really weird but it does happen.

[Alan Mater]

I hated to spend the $90, but I've gotten a great deal of responsive subscribers, so I feel it was worth it. In fact, I finally got my 200th subscriber this week. It probably took around 6 months or so to get them all. I'm also getting a decent amount from my website. The more traffic you get, the more subscribers you'll get. Like all good things, it just takes time.

Personalizing your site is important and recommended. People like to know who they're doing business with and are more likely to sign up to your list or buy something if they can find out more about you. Keep up the great work.

[zhuuraan]

Thanks Alan, yeah I definitely wanted to get it personalized. I want to drive more traffic, but I think personalizing it at least a little more will make a difference. Once I've done that, I'll try to drive traffic and use split testing to test any minor touchups I need to make. I think I still have a long way to go, but I'll get there.

[dcmilam]

Hi,

I'm NOT a fan of PBL! I used them for two months. My ad rotated three times and had one sign up. Not "very good" is an understatement. It is one of those places that has more sellers than buyers. I signed up for the newsletters as required and then was spammed.

The contact link for their email does not work. I wrote them through PB Publishing and then a few days later got a reply. They canceled my account with no questions ask.

I've been buying leads from Get Response. The turn around is not very fast and they may be a little pricey, but the drop out rate is very, very small. I will reload again after my current campaign ends.

That's my two cents worth,

Dan

[buylikemad]

Hi Guys

I want to set up another page to sell e-books, mainly. What is the best way to do it?
By the way it is Pips. So basically a shopping cart type page with the ability to take payment and a list of items. And how do you upload it without stuffing your website?

Thanks..

[Alan Mater]

Originally Posted by buylikemad

Hi Guys

I want to set up another page to sell e-books, mainly. What is the best way to do it?
By the way it is Pips. So basically a shopping cart type page with the ability to take payment and a list of items. And how do you upload it without stuffing your website?

Thanks..

If you plan on selling your own products and not ClickBank or other affiliate products, your best option would be to use PayPal Buy Now Buttons, or integrate a PayPal shopping cart.

You can see an example of the PayPal buttons on my web page here... Professional and Affordable Proofreading Services.

That would probably be the easiest thing to do. It's not hard to set up at all. As far stuffing your website, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

[dang]

I agree that PushButton leads is useless and it isn't good value for money.
After one month of using their service i barely received 2 leads who opted out anyway.


My opinion: Take it away from 30days training.

Regards
Dan

[zhuuraan]

I wonder if Stone has seen this thread yet?

If not, someone should send him to it. There seem to be several people in this thread that agree with me it's a waste of time. In fact, I haven't seen a single person who has said they actually like PBL or that it has been useful to them.

Somehow, I think that's saying something. It needs to be pulled, if for no other reason than to keep the newbies from wasting their money. I mean if recommended programs are useless, they won't want to hang around.

I've had most success with TrafficSwarm and Getsubscribers, though I can't afford to keep paying for GS, at least not unless I start pulling in some cash.

[yourprofitsonline]

I agree that PBL should be removed from 30 days to success. I also found adminders "guarunteed visitors" to be a TOTOAL RIPOFF. In adminders tracking(which seems pretty good), there was a very high CTA(click to action) rate with the guarunteed visitors, but absolutely NO ACTUAL SUBSCRIBERS. I think iT is a FREAKING SCAM. It almost seems to me that Stone is promoting sites that benefit HIM, and not his downlines(promoting his affiliate id, and reaping in the dough). Don't get me wrong, I think PPS is great, and his services have helped me tremendously as a newbie, but there's MASSIVE room for improvement.

[Alan Mater]

Originally Posted by yourprofitsonline

It almost seems to me that Stone is promoting sites that benefit HIM, and not his downlines(promoting his affiliate id, and reaping in the dough). Don't get me wrong, I think PPS is great, and his services have helped me tremendously as a newbie, but there's MASSIVE room for improvement.

That's exactly what's going on. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with him getting commissions on something that could benefit all of us. But, when the program is an absolute joke and isn't helping us build our business and wastes our money, I don't know how he can feel good about it and still endorse it.

This should be a lesson to all new PIPSters to first check with other members before trying a particular program, even if it's in the 30 Days Guide. Just because it's in there, doesn't mean it's a worthwhile investment.

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi Folks,

Just move on.....this has been going on for years.....and its really not going to change.....I did 2 studies on PBL and the results were dismal and I usually know what I am doing..LOL

If your not happy just cancel your PBL service and move on....no reason to beat a dead horse....trust me this horse has been dead a long time...

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[zhuuraan]

I agree Alan.

I've got nothing against promoting a program if it puts money in my pocket, but if the program really is total crap, I wouldn't endorse it.

I think PIPS is great but there are some changes that really should be made. It took me a few days to find the forum, and in a few days time, if some newbie tries to get through the 30 Days before their time, they could easily get ensnared into this one.

I understand Stone wanting to line his pockets in latinum, as the Ferengi would say, but promoting a useless service helps no-one.

[Matt Helphrey]

I would vote for removing it. They are leads Ill give em that much, but getting your own leads is really the best way to go about it.

Not everyone can see that Stone is trying to make money as well and feel that they have to be involved with all the programs he suggested. I understand it, but I agree that PBL should be removed.

My suggestion would be to take the 30 day training and put it into a video format that tells us step-by-step how to go about making money with our PIPS site with actual methods that work and not just make someone else more money.

I could be wrong, but I can't imagine that the retention rate among PIPS members is that high. Maybe we should work on that...

Matt