If l Want to Do Wordpress Apps, What is The Next Step?

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Hi, or more specifically, what language would l need to learn and where is the best place to go?

Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author jaasmit
    If you want to learn programming languages then you have to fix it first that in which sector do you want to work. If you are interested in web development then you should learn html,css,javascript,php.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Right, so if l wanted to do an App, to allow special tabs on either side of the WP blog screen, l would need to learn the lot?

      Or l would need to learn the lot in order to do a wide range of apps for WP?

      Shane
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      • Profile picture of the author DJL
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        ... an App, to allow special tabs on either side of the WP blog screen ...
        FYI: in case you haven't seen it, there is currently a very well-reviewed WSO offering this exact functionality:
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        • Profile picture of the author DJL
          I forgot to mention, you might want to check out this book:
          WordPress Plugin Development by Vladimir Prelovac.

          It explains the basics very succinctly, and walks though the development of a plugin from scratch. You can find it on Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leanne King
    presume you are referring to wordpress plugins which would require you to learn php, a bit of html and javascript wouldn't go astray either.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      presume you are referring to wordpress plugins which would require you to learn php, a bit of html and javascript wouldn't go astray either.
      Yeah, l know a fair amount of html, l spent years working on a site that used html.

      Javascript, wouldn't have a clue.

      And PHP, l have installed some software into Cpanel, and have some unpleasant memories of the experience, but l could learn it if necessary.

      So, l would need to get a Dummies Guide, to PHP and Javascript, and get stuck into it?


      The main reason l am looking into this is because l am currently using programmers to do some projects that l can sell. I am waiting for one, that is taking a lot longer to complete a task, that l would like.

      And another that works a lot more quickly, but seems to be taking a long time to complete a relatively simple WP app. Or more to the point, l have to repeat myself, and hammer home what things l want done.

      Then they say the project is complete according to what l want, eventhough there are plenty of things left, that have ot be done!

      Arrgh, so you can see if l knew the basics of the language maybe l could cut the crap, and do the finishing touches myself or do the lot!

      Or maybe my mistake is going with cheap programmers, overseas instead of paying 3 times as much in AU, instead?

      I would appreciate some feedback from seasoned IM's, about which is the best path to take; l won't want to have to force a programmer to do something for me, everytime, if l don't have to!

      Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author IronMike
    Congratulations on taking the bull by the horns to get things done yourself. The WordPress Codex has everything you need to know about making plugins once you have a better grasp of PHP.
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  • Profile picture of the author IronMike
    It's nothing new but leaving things undone and time wasting is more of a symptom of lazy, unorganised(usually cheap) freelancers rather than programmers in general.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Right, so from what you have said, if l pay more l will usually get it done quickly and completely, without all the stalling crap!

      But on the downside it may cost me, $35 an hour instead of $12!

      And if you were wondering the current project that is getting done, albeit in a stop and start way, is one of the best cheap company's l could find in Freelance.

      Which will probably mean, l would most likely have to go through this, sort of thing, every time. And the WP App l am getting done, is the quickest and easiest project l could find online that sells well! :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author lordspace
    I guess your question should have been what is the first step and not the next one.
    You've got to learn how to use WordPress as a user first. Then learn php => then learn the basics of plugins
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  • Profile picture of the author msu
    Quick reality check on a couple of points:

    $35 an hour is not expensive for a decent programmer who isn't going to mess you around like you have been.

    Installing a few things via Cpanel is not going to help you in any way with learning PHP. You'd just as well say, "Hey I can swim, why can't I fly?".

    You're talking about learning an entire programming language - which will take months, probably years to do with any degree of success - just to do a WordPress plugin. Unless you have a burning desire to learn how to program - and from your answers it seems you don't - you'll almost certainly find it a frustrating, depressing experience.

    I think you've made the mistake of believing that because you pay some chimps $12 an hour to do something it must be easy.

    Don't get me wrong, I wish you luck and it's great you want to take a more hands on approach to your business, I just think you're not being realistic about what's involved. That'll lead to disappointment.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Quick reality check on a couple of points:

      $35 an hour is not expensive for a decent programmer who isn't going to mess you around like you have been.

      Installing a few things via Cpanel is not going to help you in any way with learning PHP. You'd just as well say, "Hey I can swim, why can't I fly?".

      You're talking about learning an entire programming language - which will take months, probably years to do with any degree of success - just to do a WordPress plugin. Unless you have a burning desire to learn how to program - and from your answers it seems you don't - you'll almost certainly find it a frustrating, depressing experience.

      I think you've made the mistake of believing that because you pay some chimps $12 an hour to do something it must be easy.

      Don't get me wrong, I wish you luck and it's great you want to take a more hands on approach to your business, I just think you're not being realistic about what's involved. That'll lead to disappointment.
      Yeah, you have some good points! I did learn basic in the past and a bit of assembly language, so as you are saying l may be taking on more than l can chew, if l want to have the option of doing any WP app from scratch.

      I think that learning Wordpress, would be fun more than anything else, but PHP, might be a bit of a nightmare?

      Hmmm, sounds like l really just need a quality programmer that listens and does a quick job! But l will still look into learning WP. l have spent the last 4 years learning how to create a website, graphic design, etc. So learning isn't a problem, but whether l stick with it, or give up because it is a technical nightmare, only time will tell.

      Fair enough about the hourly rate! At the moment l am just starting out so, that is why l am mucking around with cheap programmers; l can afford $300 for a facebook product store, but can't afford $900 for a more local programmer!

      I will probably look into a more expensive programmer when some cash comes in, could be worth it for the stress relief!

      Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author msu
    That was what I was thinking - that the DIY route might seem an easy answer but might end up giving you a bigger headache than your current programmer.

    You could always try learning PHP and see how you get on. You might really enjoy it, in which case you'd probably pick it up quicker.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      FYI: in case you haven't seen it, there is currently a very well-reviewed WSO offering this exact functionality:
      Aaarrrrrggggghhhhh, crap! I was going to develop an app with video capabilities!

      Back to the electronic drawing board! :rolleyes:

      Shane

      PS thanks for all the advice l will keep it in mind, when l have time to look into it. Thankfully one of my programmers is getting on the ball, so l should have one WP app, on the WF, fairly soon. And best of all it does have some bells and whistles that isn't available anywhere else!
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron Stuart
    This is where I started learning about WP plugins just a few months ago, I found it very helpful:
    Create a Custom WordPress Plugin From Scratch | Nettuts+

    Even if you continue to outsource it will still be extremely useful to know the basics yourself, apart from auditing the work you are paying for it will help you to spec out projects as well. If you already know programming then the basics if WP and plugins are not that hard.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Even if you continue to outsource it will still be extremely useful to know the basics yourself, apart from auditing the work you are paying for it will help you to spec out projects as well. If you already know programming then the basics if WP and plugins are not that hard.
      Thanks Byron, bookmarked that one! And everyone else!
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