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Fiverr and Negative SEO

by karismasand
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Hi there!

If you believe that Fiverr is a major cause for negative SEO please follow my initiative from here
#fiverr #negative #seo
  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I actually thought it was a petition.

    Aside Fiverr, there are other micro sites like SEOclerks and there are lots of illicit backlink softwares in the hands of webmaster terrorists that needs to be recovered and destroyed.

    Largely, i actually blame Google though if you make your site an authority you can go to sleep and fear no negative pranks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sage SEO
    I understand where you're coming from, but this won't stop negative SEO in any way.
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    • Profile picture of the author patco
      Originally Posted by Sage SEO View Post

      I understand where you're coming from, but this won't stop negative SEO in any way.
      Absolutely agree with you... There will always be more and more different ways to do a NEGATIVE SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author jurojin
    Originally Posted by karismasand View Post

    Hi there!

    If you believe that Fiverr is a major cause for negative SEO please follow my initiative from here

    I appreciate your initiative but have in mind that if your site sticks to the rules and has value, no one can really hurt it, not even with an Xrummer blast to 250,000 websites/forums with your url. It may sound hard to believe, but it's true. When it comes to SEO and ranking, online sabotage is a myth, and any experienced webmaster should know this by now.

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by jurojin View Post

      I appreciate your initiative but have in mind that if your site sticks to the rules and has value, no one can really hurt it, not even with an Xrummer blast to 250,000 websites/forums with your url. It may sound hard to believe, but it's true. When it comes to SEO and ranking, online sabotage is a myth, and any experienced webmaster should know this by now.

      Cheers!
      You're joking, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author jurojin
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        You're joking, right?
        No. No I am not. Check out what Matt Cutts has to say about it .

        Assuming that you will be a victim of Google bowling/negative SEO, you can always use the the disavow links feature. Look it up.

        Hope this helps..
        Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Oh yeah, good idea.

    Use a video from Matt Cutts from two years ago and just ignore the wealth of information out there about people's websites getting tanked from bad links. I guess all those people are just lying.

    Have you been living under a rock?

    And Disavow... lol... Does basically no good when Google has not updated Penguin in over a year.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnnyPlan
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Oh yeah, good idea.

      Use a video from Matt Cutts from two years ago and just ignore the wealth of information out there about people's websites getting tanked from bad links. I guess all those people are just lying.
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      Surely, Google is smart enough to know about the slime that would use negative SEO. If it was so easy to knock a big company off of Google search, then some noobie retail site would have knocked Walmart or Amazon off Google by now with a billion blast backlink negative SEO package. Not going to happen though.

      As for people's site's 'tanking' due to bad links, there are still some people out there buying those 'link' packages. Not very smart, but they do it. Google sees those people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dellco
        Originally Posted by JohnnyPlan View Post

        Surely, Google is smart enough to know about the slime that would use negative SEO. If it was so easy to knock a big company off of Google search, then some noobie retail site would have knocked Walmart or Amazon off Google by now with a billion blast backlink negative SEO package. Not going to happen though.

        As for people's site's 'tanking' due to bad links, there are still some people out there buying those 'link' packages. Not very smart, but they do it. Google sees those people.
        Google is definitely smart alright. But did you know the most evil folks on this planet have always been very smart? No exceptions.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by JohnnyPlan View Post

        Surely, Google is smart enough to know about the slime that would use negative SEO. If it was so easy to knock a big company off of Google search, then some noobie retail site would have knocked Walmart or Amazon off Google by now with a billion blast backlink negative SEO package. Not going to happen though.
        I did not say that you can knock off Walmart or Amazon. Negative SEO will not work on sites of that size.

        It doesn't mean it is not possible.

        It's what Penguin does. Penguin penalizes sites for bad backlinks. It has no way to tell if they were created by the owner or someone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author jurojin
    Disavow links is a feature that allows you to tell Google which links to ignore. Horror stories have been here since the beginning, and will continue to be here for a long time. Those people aren't lying, they simple don't understand how the algorithm works and they blame their failure on "bad links" sabotage. A quality website that has a lot of value cannot be affected by negative SEO. It's like adding a drop of wine into a big bottle of water and being afraid that you will get drunk after drinking it.

    About the living under a rock thing, you should show some respect even to those people with whom you don't agree. Just my 2 cent.

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by jurojin View Post

      Disavow links is a feature that allows you to tell Google which links to ignore. Horror stories have been here since the beginning, and will continue to be here for a long time. Those people aren't lying, they simple don't understand how the algorithm works and they blame their failure on "bad links" sabotage. A quality website that has a lot of value cannot be affected by negative SEO. It's like adding a drop of wine into a big bottle of water and being afraid that you will get drunk after drinking it.

      About the living under a rock thing, you should show some respect even to those people with whom you don't agree. Just my 2 cent.

      Cheers!
      I'm well aware of what the Disavow Tool is. It does no good though when Google has not refreshed Penguin in a year.

      A website absolutely can be tanked by bad links. What in the world do you think the Penguin algorithm does?

      A quality website absolutely can be impacted by negative SEO. A big authority site, like Amazon, will not be. But "quality" websites have been hit by negative SEO all over the place. You can ignore the stories if you want to, but don't try lying to people here telling them it is not possible.
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      • Profile picture of the author jurojin
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        You can ignore the stories if you want to, but don't try lying to people here telling them it is not possible.
        Me and Matt Cutts are lying and you are the Supreme Holder of the Absolute Truth. Here! happy now?
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        • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
          Originally Posted by jurojin View Post

          Me and Matt Cutts are lying and you are the Supreme Holder of the Absolute Truth. Here! happy now?
          Things like these is what makes me not to get into a debate with people.

          If you don't know something the best thing you can do is keep MUTE.
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          • Profile picture of the author jurojin
            From my point of view, this is a constructive, friendly debate.

            Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

            Things like these is what makes me not to get into a debate with people.

            If you don't know something the best thing you can do is keep MUTE.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by jurojin View Post

      Disavow links is a feature that allows you to tell Google which links to ignore. Horror stories have been here since the beginning, and will continue to be here for a long time. Those people aren't lying, they simple don't understand how the algorithm works and they blame their failure on "bad links" sabotage. A quality website that has a lot of value cannot be affected by negative SEO. It's like adding a drop of wine into a big bottle of water and being afraid that you will get drunk after drinking it. Cheers!
      Oh really? One of my affiliate sites tanked after receiving negative SEO. I better go and e-mail Mr. Cutts, advising him that I'm being discriminated against because jurojin doesn't believe it's possible and has factual evidence to back his claims.

      Irrespective of the fact that I've experienced it first hand, and there are dozens of case studies out there from both the spammers and the victims. I even read a post about a guy who specialized in it and got paid from it - tanking competitor sites.

      If Google doesn't penalize "negative SEO", then there would be no algorithm. After all, if you build 100 links yourself, and get penalized, you'd just disavow them and scream "IT'S NEGATIVE SEO AGAINST ME!!!!".
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      • Profile picture of the author karismasand
        Guys my idea is very simple:

        Let's say i'm a good faith webmaster and i'm going to fiverr to make some link-building for my site/s and i find a gig or more .... here comes my idea... i go to order the gig and before seller to start the job i must prove that i ask link-building for my site/s and in order page will appear a meta tag verification ... i take that meta tag, paste in my website and push a check button, once that verification was made i remove the meta-tag from my wesite/s because i don't want to let footprint for Google and the seller can start the job.


        Right now anyone can order link-building gigs for sites that they don't own in all the case is for negative seo.

        I believe that will not stop negative seo but will be a signal for other sites and seller to reduce this "disease"

        Also good faith webmasters will not be affected by this action.


        Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author jurojin
        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

        Oh really? One of my affiliate sites tanked after receiving negative SEO. I better go and e-mail Mr. Cutts, advising him that I'm being discriminated against because jurojin doesn't believe it's possible and has factual evidence to back his claims.

        Irrespective of the fact that I've experienced it first hand, and there are dozens of case studies out there from both the spammers and the victims. I even read a post about a guy who specialized in it and got paid from it - tanking competitor sites.

        If Google doesn't penalize "negative SEO", then there would be no algorithm. After all, if you build 100 links yourself, and get penalized, you'd just disavow them and scream "IT'S NEGATIVE SEO AGAINST ME!!!!".

        If there is an algorithm, how come it only works for smaller size websites and not for the big ones? After all, it's all automatic, and the same algorithm applies for all 861,379,000 in the world. Otherwise, Google would be discriminating. The thing is, the new algorithm doesn't rely on links as much as it did in the 90's. Things like how much time visitors spend on your website, how often they return and how many authoritative sites are naturally linking to your content/pages weight much more now when it comes to ranking.

        A lot of SEO's still think that bringing tons of links to your website is enough to rank. My experience tells me that links that you build or that others build (with the purpose to penalize your site) don't weight as much as they used to, therefore those links alone don't have enough power to rank or tank your site, especially when we are talking about long-term. Again, this is just my opinion and I respect your right not to agree with me. You should do the same
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by jurojin View Post

          If there is an algorithm, how come it only works for smaller size websites and not for the big ones? After all, it's all automatic, and the same algorithm applies for all 861,379,000 in the world. Otherwise, Google would be discriminating. The thing is, the new algorithm doesn't rely on links as much as it did in the 90's. Things like how much time visitors spend on your website, how often they return and how many authoritative sites are naturally linking to your content/pages weight much more now when it comes to ranking.

          The algorithm does discriminate. It has a bias programmed into it for what Google feels are the most relevant and user-friendly sites. In many ways, for many search terms, it is programmed to discriminate against smaller websites and to favor bigger, more established sites.

          That is one of the many reasons that sites like Amazon, Wikipedia, and WebMD show up in so many search results.

          It is not a level playing field. You can not just create a piece of content that is better than all the other similar content out there, put it on a brand new domain, and expect it to rank.

          Again, I would ask you, if you really think that spammy links cannot hurt a website, then what in the world do you think that Penguin does?
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  • Profile picture of the author Xelaetaks
    It's not true, I have seen first hand quality sites that may even top in their niche and respective keywords tank in rankings regardless of how quality their site is.

    If you get hit by Penguin it doesn't matter how quality your site is.

    As for negative seo people have made comments like this on some sites but if someone offers to give someone tons of links from fivver they would likely rather not have that happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sage SEO
    Yeah, negative SEO is definitely real.

    Google opened Pandora's box when they started penalizing links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sage SEO
    Let's be honest, it's Matt Cutts' job not to tell the whole truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliatez
    It seems everything has its two "background" , white and black hat , so its not fair play to build thousands of links to the competitors so that the website is caught by gg bot as a spammy action. We cannot avoid this, just need to learn how to remove those bad link by disavow tool which issued by gg to prevent this negative seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author karismasand
      Originally Posted by affiliatez View Post

      It seems everything has its two "background" , white and black hat , so its not fair play to build thousands of links to the competitors so that the website is caught by gg bot as a spammy action. We cannot avoid this, just need to learn how to remove those bad link by disavow tool which issued by gg to prevent this negative seo.
      I tell you how to remove all the bad links ... go to fiverr, order ALL the link-building gigs available for a fictive site and when the sellers send you reports take all that links into txt files and submit into your disavow WMT just to prevent if someone, sometimes will decide to buy a gig to get down your site/s.

      Also you can buy tools that find sites where you can comment and put that all site again into your disavow to avoid a negative effect of negative seo.

      I believe you don't know what you are talking about

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author djbootleg
    how is fivver negative? itsn't it different with each seller and how they do it
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by djbootleg View Post

      how is fivver negative? itsn't it different with each seller and how they do it
      They can't provide anything other than total crap for $5.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    I dont know what you really mean by "negative" SEO ... but Fiverr is a great place for outsourcing and the SEO help is working for so many people right now!

    I guess you are talking about negative SEO in a sense where people are hurting each other on purpose! .. now that is mean and fuked up!! ... but it is what it is right!

    Anyways... great topic!!

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author nicktyler
    You can use the disavow tool but if you are trying to disavow 250k bad links form a 'negative SEO attack' within a 3 million strong link profile that is going to be very time consuming. As time is money this could possibly be considered as bad as receiving no traffic from SEO because your site tanked.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xelaetaks
    The big sites have a very high domain authority - so a site like CNN probably isn't gonna get tanked by negative SEO. Smaller businesses that don't have tens of thousands or more visitors around the world and other big authority sites linking to them are much easier to tank with links.

    It's also true - the algorithm can't exactly detect if the site owner is making fivver links or if it is from someone doing negative SEO.

    Discriminating or not - companies like Amazon and CNN can put millions into advertising and can easily get tons of natural links all the time including from big websites so again to negative SEO a site like that would be pretty hard to effect with negative SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author flesterking
    what do you expect for $5, its pure crap when it comes to link building on fiverr.
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  • Profile picture of the author jangotrick
    I was threatened with negative SEO attack and my site experienced a DDOS attack soon thereafter. Can anyone advise if I can report the seller to Google as she has a major footprint over the webspace. FTC complaints and law enforcement complaints have been filed as well. More here www.fiverrhorrorstory.blogspot.ca.

    Any advise will be appreciated. our teams are following the webspace diligently for any malicious activity and I know about the Disavow Tool but as you can see this person threatened a little more than negative SEO. Unfortunately as the person is outside of North America, not much can be done unless more information is found about her.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Giorkas
    Fiverr is NOT the cause of negative SEO.

    Negative SEO derives FROM peoples GREED.

    You get excited when you see 1000 (crappy) backlinks sold only for $5.

    Yes, this method actually hurts your rankings.

    There are SEO services that are Full of Value and quality. Try buying one Backlink at a time from Websites that have high PR and don't look like crap..
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