What ELSE works besides PBN's

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So I MIGHT be doing SEO for a local business in need.

Ideally, I'm hoping they'll let me build out a nice big beautiful PBN on unique IPs, Hosting Accts, Priviate WhoIs etc.

Done that before and had great results, needless to say I know it's what the big boys do (myself included) and it works like a charm.

BUT - in the even they don't go for that, what else is working these days?

There is also Brian Deans SkyScraper Technique - which takes work but is SOOOOOOOOO amazingly powerful.

What else is working, needs to be professional and 90% white hat.

Thanks

Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    Web 2.0 PBN`s (:
    Less expensive, also very effective and quite safe, I think they are even safer than PBN`s.
    Build a blog on wordpress.com, publish 10-15 unique high quality articles and see how fast will comes organic traffic, it`s incredible, of course you need to keep publish it frequently to increase them and do some backlinks but the beauty of this method is you can build a lot of such parasite websites and gain referal traffic from them, high quality and safe.
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    • Profile picture of the author patco
      Originally Posted by npoint View Post

      Web 2.0 PBN`s (:
      Less expensive, also very effective and quite safe, I think they are even safer than PBN`s.
      Build a blog on wordpress.com, publish 10-15 unique high quality articles and see how fast will comes organic traffic, it`s incredible, of course you need to keep publish it frequently to increase them and do some backlinks but the beauty of this method is you can build a lot of such parasite websites and gain referal traffic from them, high quality and safe.
      Not really sure why do you suggest only one website? He should create different websites (for example 5) and post those 15 articles to them (3 per website for example). Then create A LOT of tier 2 backlinks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Tiered link building is another technique that works amazingly well. It's a method that leverages the considerable amount of link juice that can be gotten from tons of spammy links while keeping your money site safe from the negative effects of building tons of spam links to your site.

    It entails publishing free blogs on web 2.0 sites, linking to your site from them, and building fairly spammy links to the web 2.0 sites. The last step involves building lots of extremely spammy links to the fairly spammy links.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkgg
    SAPE but mainly for churn and burn projects
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Outreach still works fairly well, but in my opinion is very niche dependent.

    Citations.

    A little bit of a spin off the PBN idea is a private network of citation sources. It's fun building citations for clients that you know the competitors can never duplicate.
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    • Profile picture of the author accessted
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Outreach still works fairly well, but in my opinion is very niche dependent.

      Citations.

      A little bit of a spin off the PBN idea is a private network of citation sources. It's fun building citations for clients that you know the competitors can never duplicate.
      Can you explain?

      Do you mean like local citations? Brownbook,judysbook,merchant circle etc.? How would you do this method? I am in a local niche.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by accessted View Post

        Can you explain?

        Do you mean like local citations? Brownbook,judysbook,merchant circle etc.? How would you do this method? I am in a local niche.

        You mean how would I use private networks to get more citations?

        Sorry, but I'm not sharing that one here.

        If you meant just my comment about citations, then yeah, BrownBook, MerchantCircle, Manta, Yellowbook, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author accessted
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          You mean how would I use private networks to get more citations?

          Sorry, but I'm not sharing that one here.

          If you meant just my comment about citations, then yeah, BrownBook, MerchantCircle, Manta, Yellowbook, etc.
          Never hurts to ask

          Seems like a cool concept and I certainly understand you not sharing..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    1. Reverse engineering your competitors links.
    2. Credible business directories (yellow pages, true local etc)
    3. High end paid directories (yahoo business, business.com etc)
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Mike is there any definitive proof that citations actually make a positive difference in terms of rankings?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Mike is there any definitive proof that citations actually make a positive difference in terms of rankings?
      I've seen it help for local projects. For anything else, no.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    You referring to low end stuff like local plumbers, computer technicians etc?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      You referring to low end stuff like local plumbers, computer technicians etc?
      Insurance, dentists... but yeah, in local market searches, not on national level searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    Thanks for the help guys, very much appreciated… This is actually for a rather large mortgage company, so I think the out reach that should work… As well as of course quality kick ass on page Seo
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      Thanks for the help guys, very much appreciated… This is actually for a rather large mortgage company, so I think the out reach that should work
      I'd say yes then - link outreach

      I'll even surprise some people (coming from me) and say you should skip any PBNs. A large mortgage company ought to be able to get organic links working the housing, real estate insurance niches - if its really a mortgage company and not just an agency.

      P.S. I'd definitely skipped tiered all together for a real business. Most people expect Google to slap it more and more
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Of course, onpage should have been mentioned. I often see sites perform very well simply with good onpage.

    Outreach takes a considerable amount of time I've found, but can be worth it.

    Here's a few search query operators that you might find useful.

    "<keyword>" + "add a site"
    "<keyword>" + "submit a site"
    "<keyword>" + "add your website"
    "<keyword>" + "add your business"
    "<keyword>" + "list in our directory"


    [niche keyword phrase] + "write for us"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "powered by Wordpress"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "submit"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "author guidelines"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "writer guidelines"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "guest post"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "article submission"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "Guest contributor"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "Guest posting guidelines"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "submit content"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "submit an article"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "author submission"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "Submit a guest post"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "article submission guidelines"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "online magazine"
    [niche keyword phrase] + "online newsletter"
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    Of course, I know on page like a ninja and can optimize with the best of them, as for back linking though… Blog networks have been my go to strategy lately along with blog and website out of reach, but I was curious what else was out there this working… This is very helpful, thanks for the response everybody :-)

    Edit: thank you As well for the search queries
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOWizard417
    Yep, the previous posters hit it in the head. Either go with web 2.0s and tiered link building or outreach. Directories can work really well too for low comp local stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author xaviel
    Press releases are also valuable.
    Citations too.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    If this is for a mortgage company it should be fairly easy to do outreach to real estate agents and offer guest posts for their sites. Most agents have blogs that they do very little with. Most will jump at the chance to get content for their blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author flesterking
    Build more sites promoting your main site and SEO them. Double work but you reap the benefits at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    Anything else is working for large corporate sites lately? Thank you again, this is great information… i'm definitely thinking link reach out, does anybody have any amazing tricks for that besides Brian is skyscraper technique message?
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