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10 years ago

The good news is that you all have a lot more time to live and work on your business. I do appreciate the time you all have spent as its a job that i would never have taken on. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with the additional time.

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paulgl 10 years ago

I can't even imagine what it's like to mod this forum.

Crazy, would be one way that comes to mind.

Paul
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accessted

10 years ago

Thanks for your help guys...

Now I can start spamming

J/K

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godoveryou

10 years ago

It's pretty evident at this point that they:

A) Really don't care about the community.
B) Have no idea how digital marketers and SEOs operate.

If they wanted DigitalPoint, they should have just bought it instead of clumsily creating a duplicate over a 2-3 year period.

Well, at least I still have a VB license when this finally hits that point of no return...

Thanks for your time and effort Mike and Yukon. Pearson, I never knew you but thank you as well... it's a hellish task to be a moderator at times.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

It's pretty evident at this point that they:

A) Really don't care about the community.

I'm going to disagree with that point my man. Nothing wrong with wanting their own people to run the forums. To be honest a mod here and there (not referring to Mike, yukon or Pearson)clearly were not on the same team looking and comparing back to previous ownership. I would have shown the door to some myself. Allen sold out. he was not pushed or voted out. Freelance has gotten too much heat just for buying a forum that obviously was for sale and exercising their ownership rights..

Well, at least I still have a VB license when this finally hits that point of no return...

VB SUCKS. IPB FOREVER !!

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godoveryou

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'm going to disagree with that point my man. Nothing wrong with wanting their own people to run the forums. To be honest a mod here and there (not referring to Mike, yukon or Pearson)clearly were not on the same team looking and comparing back to previous ownership. I would have shown the door to some myself. Allen sold out. he was not pushed or voted out.

In another thread I said that I understood the logic, which was exactly that they wanted the take it in-house. Ultimately as the owner of an asset you want to have full control over it and having an in-house moderation staff is just a continuation of that line of thought really. It makes sense.

That having been said, I'm going to stand by my point and if for no other reason - the fact they didn't even tell some of the mods and they just found out on their own this morning pretty clearly demonstrates their lack of ... respect.

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VB SUCKS. IPB FOREVER !!

I do like IPB... I just happen to have a lot of VB specific scripts already

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

That having been said, I'm going to stand by my point and if for no other reason - the fact they didn't even tell some of the mods and they just found out on their own this morning pretty clearly demonstrates their lack of ... respect.

I hear you but the truth is there has been a ton load of disrespect aimed at new ownership. I don't know if that played a part in how things wet down but I gotta tell you if i had bought WF I'd have booted some people long ago and I am not talking mods but the old buddy boys old guard that have been nipping at alaister for every single change made. This place belongs to Freelancer and allen was no boyscout. WSOs became what they are under his ownership. He sold, got paid and good for him. Time for the forum to move on with people on the same team.

I'm not saying mods in general were not on the same team but considering the sniping and nipping hostile environment aimed at Alaister I can see why Freelancer might want their own people at the helm.

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Tim3

10 years ago

As a member I would like to take the opportunity to thank you Yukon and also Mike Friedman for having done a sterling job moderating this section of the forum.
The unseen effort you all put in is most appreciated.
Special thanks to PearsonBrown who has been a mod here since I joined the WF and probably long before.

and being fair minded, having read the thread Yukon posted.
I would like to add that was an unprofessional way to terminate your modships.

Common courtesy costs nothing.

Thanks again for your hard work guys.

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godoveryou

10 years ago

I can see why Freelancer might want their own people at the helm.

As can I. I just don't agree that the approach taken was the best route considering the natural of discussion and the characters the industry typically draws to it and beyond that, I feel it displays ignorance of the various elements at play.

I feel that if they were concerned about keeping the community stable, they wouldn't completely destabilize it at the top - particularly by making a mockery out of any of the good moderators that weren't nipping at Alaister. It's careless and looks like a spoiled brat that is going home and taking his ball with him - to me at least.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

As can I. I just don't agree that the approach taken was the best route considering the natural of discussion and the characters the industry typically draws to it and beyond that, I feel it displays ignorance of the various elements at play.

I feel that if they were concerned about keeping the community stable, they wouldn't completely destabilize it at the top - particularly by making a mockery out of any of the good moderators that weren't nipping at Alaister. It's careless and looks like a spoiled brat that is going home and taking his ball with him - to me at least.

I think what soppy old GoY is trying to say here, is that he loves you guys and what you do around here. Won't be long before they ban me so,

Let me go read this thread.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

well this kind of illustrates my point. Alaister said he did email mods. Perhaps it wasn't with enough lead time or I don't know maybe he didn't. However theres a whole set that are not going to give any benefit of the doubt to new ownership whether they know he didn't or not.

That gets tiring plus sorry but all the forum posters claiming freelancer doesn't know IM, they don't have the experience etc etc. Why is it they had the money to buy WF and the forum posters didn't? Government grant? or because hey they must have done something right in running freelancer to be successful enough to buy it.

haters going to hate and Lol If goylancer bought WF them suckers would be outta here faster than your products are ready to go after a romantic date.
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CRIMSON ASH

10 years ago

Thank you guys.... I''m sure you did a great job as mods!

I have read a number of threads in some other sections here and to me the forum furniture seem to think they have part ownership here with their little cliques.

On a side note: I had an issue with a service provider here and everything was resolved in a few minutes by Alaister and what is more surprising is that I never even reported the issue. I think in-house will be more impartial when exercising the rules of the forum and from my earlier experience.... much more decisive as well!

Just my opinion, of course!

Ash

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by CRIMSON ASH

I have read a number of threads in some other sections here and to me the forum furniture seem to think they have part ownership here with their little cliques.

Don't get me started. There is a whole clique here not just of mods who thought they did and are just ticked no end because the clique no longer has sway.

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Dennis Gaskill

10 years ago

Originally Posted by CRIMSON ASH

I have read a number of threads in some other sections here and to me the forum furniture seem to think they have part ownership here with their little cliques.

Every forum of any size develops cliques, it's inevitable. If one or more is broken up, one or more will develop to take their place.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'm not saying mods in general were not on the same team but considering the sniping and nipping hostile environment aimed at Alaister I can see why Freelancer might want their own people at the helm.

Whoever is the public face of a place this large and diverse is going to take some heat. That goes with the territory. Paul took it for years, and took a lot worse than Alaister has seen; but now Alaister is the man, so he will be the target.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Whoever is the public face of a place this large and diverse is going to take some heat. That goes with the territory. Paul took it for years, and took a lot worse than Alaister has seen; but now Alaister is the man, so he will be the target.

Dennis that observation will work with someone who has not been around for years but its just utterly false. Paul never got heat from any significant group of regulars here the way new ownership has - not in the five years I have been here. There may have been issues people disagreed with but the same group blasting new ownership were the first to come to his rescue. This was a clique close to ownership and Paul and they had their way and a lot of people are now just upset because that group is no longer in.

Trying to claim Alaister is getting the same disrespect or respect as Paul from them is just utterly false. Freelancer has been pretty wronged by that group and theres no doubt about it.

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Dennis Gaskill

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Dennis that observation will work with someone who has not been around for years but its just utterly false. Paul never got heat from any significant group of regulars here the way new ownership has - not in the five years I have been here. There may have been issues people disagreed with but the same group blasting new ownership were the first to come to his rescue. This was a clique close to ownership and Paul and they had their way and a lot of people are now just upset because that group is no longer in.

Trying to claim Alaister is getting the same disrespect or respect as Paul from them is just utterly false. Freelancer has been pretty wronged by that group and theres no doubt about it.

Mike, I didn't refer to specific groups, and I didn't comment about the fairness or unfairness of the criticism. Apparently you've either missed or forgotten some of the posts made against Paul, because I've seen a lot worse things written about him and to him in the discussion areas than I have Alaister. And with Paul, a good deal of it was made personal. With Alaister, most of what I've seen has been about Freelancer and the perceived direction the forum is moving.

Let's not turn this thread into a discussion about that, though. I was merely pointing out that the whomever the public face of the forum is, is going to take some heat. That's always been so, and likely always will be, because no matter what you do, not everyone is going to be happy about it.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Mike, I didn't refer to specific groups, and I didn't comment about the fairness or unfairness of the criticism. Apparently you've either missed or forgotten some of the posts made against Paul, because I've seen a lot worse things written about him and to him in the discussion areas than I have Alaister

You don't know what I have missed or forgotten so don't pretend to inform me of where my memory has lapsed. I know what I am talking about. the unrelenting criticism of everything that freelance and Alaister do was not the norm for Paul . Good night Allen raised the prices to post a WSO overnight and it was met with thanks, he banned link spam tools , it was thanked. he reversed course because sales fell off and brought it back and still thanks. Practically nothing that New ownership does is met with support by the group I and the other poster referenced. Its overly critical and maybe you are the one that has missed some things - its been mean spirited even accusing motives and using the word "evil". liars and on and on. I really don't care how you try to misconstrue it and as I said it was not the habit for a group of regulars to do so. The lack of respect is appalling. It is not the norm and your attempt to justify it or equalize it as the norm is categorically false

Let's not turn this thread into a discussion about that, though. I was merely pointing out that the whomever the public face of the forum is, is going to take some heat. That's always been so, and likely always will be, because no matter what you do, not everyone is going to be happy about it.

If you don't want to turn the discussion into a discussion about that then lead the way by not continuing to post on it - not post on it then say you don't want to in order to attempt to have the final word.

Its simple. This has nothing to do with everyone agreeing with anything. The person you responded to and myself were in fact referencing a particular clique. It has not always been been the case that a group of regulars here so consistently attempt to undermine ownership and nothing you say will change that it has not always been so.

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Dennis Gaskill

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

If you don't want to turn the discussion into a discussion about that then lead the way by not continuing to post on it - not post on it then say you don't want to in order to attempt to have the final word.

Fair enough. I'll reply to this post by PM tomorrow and we can finish our discussion that way.

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Mark Singletary

10 years ago

Mike, there haven't been a lot of major changes the last few years. When there were major changes there was plenty of flack but you weren't here then or didn't notice it. For example:

When we switched forum software twice and the transition wasn't bug free.

When they opened the forum to outsiders.

When they started the Warrior Alliance.

When they closed the Warrior Alliance.

When every post was premoderated.

When WSO quality started their decline in quality.

When they made a bunch of subforums without prenotice.

When they had a membership fee.

When they took away the membership fee.

Etc.

There were a bunch of those people some may consider to be part of Paul's Good Ole Boy Club that let him have it very loudly, very clearly, and very publicly.

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nik0 Banned 10 years ago

If I would run a forum I would have invisble mods to avoid any nagging / disagreements, just to keep things smooth running. If people would re-start the same thread/post that got removed they would get a warning followed up with a 1 month ban and after lifetime ban and all in an automated way. Most is blatant spam anyway.

If you run a large business you don't want your staff (or what appears as it) to end up in public discussions with members.
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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Singletary

There were a bunch of those people some may consider to be part of Paul's Good Ole Boy Club that let him have it very loudly, very clearly, and very publicly.

Mark

Well,

A) I have stated that there were issues that people complained about but that it was not this non-stop tearing down and lack of respect that freelancer has encountered so the list really doesn't touch that.

B) its pretty easy to say there was the same issue when you cite a list without references in order to neutralize the present behavior - especially when no proof is being offered

C) if it even were true (which I am obviously not buying just because some one claims there was the same thing) then the same group having gone through that that are now claiming almost utopia for the past regime should think that we are possibly heading to great things since issues they disagreed with in the past worked out so well. Do they? why not?

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godoveryou

10 years ago

If goylancer bought WF them suckers would be outta here faster than your products are ready to go after a romantic date.

I suppose what I'm trying to illustrate here is that if goylancer bought them, it would be because goylancer cut his teeth in internet/affiliate marketing, seo, etc - not by providing a marketplace for freelancers. There's a distinct difference in expertise and familiarity there as it applies to the forum's membership that I don't think has ever really been taken into account by them.

None the less, it's not really worth debating any further because it is what it is.

Now I've got some pumping to do if you don't mind... and you know what kind of pumping I mean...

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

I suppose what I'm trying to illustrate here is that if goylancer bought them, it would be because goylancer cut his teeth in internet/affiliate marketing, seo, etc - not by providing a marketplace for freelancers.

Bleh not buying it. Goylancer would buy anything they thought would make them a good chunk of change and sorry its not a totally separate expertise. If anything creating an online platform and launching it and making it successful demonstrates a far greater level of expertise in internet marketing than affiliate marketing.

Now I've got some pumping to do if you don't mind... and you know what kind of pumping I mean...

Now If only you had someone to share it with

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jinx1221 10 years ago

Originally Posted by godoveryou

Now I've got some pumping to do if you don't mind... and you know what kind of pumping I mean...

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Now If only you had someone to share it with
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zowmmo

10 years ago

The good news is that you all have a lot more time to live and work on your business. I do appreciate the time you all have spent as its a job that i would never have taken on. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with the additional time.