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Perfect On-page SEO without any Off-page SEO = Zero Rankings

by Val22
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I've built new sites times without number and each time i build a site, i notice one thing: It's very difficult to get it to rank up in Google search results without adequate off-page seo i.e. backlinks.

Google considers backlinks as the bed-rock of search engine optimization. Without backlinks, your site won't be found on Google - even it's found, it will be around page 20 or deeper where no one goes.

So, when building new sites, make sure that your On-page seo e.g. keywords in headings, high quality content are all intact - then go out there and source for backlinks because that's how Google will even recognize that your site exists and then rank it up.

This is a piece of advice though.
#offpage #onpage #perfect #rankings #seo
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    that's true if you are over optimized Google can identify it and they will kick that website from search engine rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author IMLab
    Originally Posted by Val22 View Post

    I've built new sites times without number and each time i build a site, i notice one thing: It's very difficult to get it to rank up in Google search results without adequate off-page seo i.e. backlinks.

    Google considers backlinks as the bed-rock of search engine optimization. Without backlinks, your site won't be found on Google - even it's found, it will be around page 20 or deeper where no one goes.

    So, when building new sites, make sure that your On-page seo e.g. keywords in headings, high quality content are all intact - then go out there and source for backlinks because that's how Google will even recognize that your site exists and then rank it up.

    This is a piece of advice though.
    On-Page optimization alone is truly not enough. Internet Marketing is not only SEO as well. All kinds of marketing methods must be used in a balanced and natural way to get the best results - As in SEO, SEM, SMM and of course offline marketing when applicable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Val22
      Originally Posted by IMLab View Post

      On-Page optimization alone is truly not enough. Internet Marketing is not only SEO as well. All kinds of marketing methods must be used in a balanced and natural way to get the best results - As in SEO, SEM, SMM and of course offline marketing when applicable.
      Yes. I believe this because social media traffic and others are beginning to play huge roles in determining a site's search rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author drinstech
    If you optimize (On-page) your website/blog and all pages and post properly, Not over optimized. You will get some traffic from search engines within a short period of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author creat1veone
    I just wrote a long post on my smartphone and a wrong touch made it all be gone.

    Anyways, I was talking about how I'm getting decent SE traffic even though I didn't do any kind of backlinking at all. I add a personal touch to my blog posts and those get direct traffic the next day.

    Its a fairly new niche but theres competition from sites who have been live for years, and my site is one month old. Don't even have hosting its a free WP blogsite with a custom domain.

    Got about 7 pages of Google indexed for the domain. I've noticed a lot of post tags get indexed and these sometimes outrank everything lol.

    Btw I'm talking about only few hundred visitors per day, had about 300 max in one day.

    So according to this, no off-page optimization doesn't equal to NO rankings at all. In the past week I have dropped to Google page 2, while Bing and Yahoo show #1 search rankings with a couple of my keywords.

    I have however, made social network profiles with my site links but these are not backlinks as far as I know. (I'm really new with SEO).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by creat1veone View Post

      Anyways, I was talking about how I'm getting decent SE traffic even though I didn't do any kind of backlinking at all. I add a personal touch to my blog posts and those get direct traffic the next day.
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      Personal touch hs nothing to do with ranking. If no one is reading then personal touch goes unnoticed. You are experiencing traffic because being a new niche you have weak competition and because sometimes google ranks newer content (caled QDF). That probably why the sites is dropping to page two and most likely will continue to
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      • Profile picture of the author creat1veone
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Personal touch hs nothing to do with ranking. If no one is reading then personal touch goes unnoticed. You are experiencing traffic because being a new niche you have weak competition and because sometimes google ranks newer content (caled QDF). That probably why the sites is dropping to page two and most likely will continue to
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        To be honest, I no longer believe anyone not working directly with this stuff at Google can say anything for sure, I now wonder how some people have the guts to claim something to be 100% true. I believe a personal touch does have meaning, and there are people reading, like I said in my first post.

        That said, I was just explaining what I'm doing since I have no real off-page skills to talk about. I am aware that it could just continue dropping, or it could stay the same, or it could get higher rankings like I got on Yahoo and Bing.

        No matter what the case, I'll continue posting excellent content, will be reaching out to some related niche blogs for hopefully guest posting.

        Could someone explain the importance of having my own hosting? Does it DIRECTLY increase OR AT LEAST have a potential of increasing site rank JUST because its hosted specifically and not on a free WP network?

        Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by creat1veone View Post

          To be honest, I no longer believe anyone not working directly with this stuff at Google can say anything for sure, I now wonder how some people have the guts to claim something to be 100% true. I believe a personal touch does have meaning, and there are people reading, like I said in my first post.
          Just because its Google and the internets does not mean its an alternate universe where common sense doesn't apply. Computers do not have the ability to sense "personal touch" and personal touch is ABSOLUTELY NOT (100% true) a factor in a computer algo. Thats not to say that you should not write good content or that it cannot have indirect benefit (people like it and link to it) its to say its not algo factor causing ranking.

          Could someone explain the importance of having my own hosting? Does it DIRECTLY increase OR AT LEAST have a potential of increasing site rank JUST because its hosted specifically and not on a free WP network?
          Why ask? According to what you just wrote no one can know anything about SEO for sure and shouldn't have the guts to say they do.

          So asking any question here is pointless.

          Lets close the forums because any and all answers are conjecture unless Matt Cutts drops in or maybe only Sergei?
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          • Profile picture of the author creat1veone
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Just because its Google and the internets does not mean its an alternate universe where common sense doesn't apply. Computers do not have the ability to sense "personal touch" and personal touch is ABSOLUTELY NOT (100% true) a factor in a computer algo. Thats not to say that you should not write good content or that it cannot have indirect benefit (people like it and link to it) its to say its not algo factor causing ranking.

            Why ask? According to what you just wrote no one can know anything about SEO for sure and shouldn't have the guts to say they do.

            So asking any question here is pointless.

            Lets close the forums because any and all answers are conjecture unless Matt Cutts drops in or maybe only Sergei?
            Dear Mike, bro, you've been on these forums way more than I have and I'm sure that you've felt the same way at some point. Ever since I started researching SEO, do you know what I came across the most? Different set of opinions, on everything, "this is king, no this is, this isn't, this kills SEO, nope you're wrong" - almost every thread here consists of these kind of conversations, and this had obviously led me to believe people only speak from their POV and personal experience, while it may be that the subject they're talking about had no determinable influence to their success or failure.

            Yes, I'm new here, new to SEO, short time ago I was only aware that the term SEO exists and its what people do to rank their businesses on SEs. I thought its clear about everything, like a set of rules etc. guidelines which you follow to get ranked, then I learned these rules change with every Google update (I started to notice animals like pandas and penguins and I was like what? freaking penguins, SEO!?)

            That alone was very confusing not to mention the fact that you got dozens of sites with "pro SEO knowledge" where a lot of them are contradicting each other, this has led me to believe no one can say anything and be 100% sure about it, (maybe 99.9% but 100%, nah).

            For example everyone flew their rocket ships full of opinion to the Moon with their gracious and holy knowledge of Penguin changes concerning the importance of anchor text links and stuffing of them, turns out they were somewhat if not completely and utterly wrong.

            Now to tell me not to ask any more questions if I think that way, is just kinda childish.I won't take anybodies opinion as the universal truth, but will gladly ask for advice from experienced members here, hopefully including you.

            Originally Posted by SEO Power View Post

            Are you talking about self hosting a WordPress blog vs using a free wordpress.com blog? If that's what you are referring to, it doesn't impact your rankings. It only gives you the ability to host your articles on your own domain name.
            I'm using a free wordpress blog and I added (bought) a custom domain for it. I was wondering would having a hosting directly influence ranking possibilities (e.g. giving Google a trust signal).
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by creat1veone View Post

              For example everyone flew their rocket ships full of opinion to the Moon with their gracious and holy knowledge of Penguin changes concerning the importance of anchor text links and stuffing of them, turns out they were somewhat if not completely and utterly wrong.
              by all means go ahead and spam the index all with the exact same anchor text since they were all completely and utterly wrong (see how fast this newb is to proclaim something umm 100% utterly and completely wrong??? He works for google no doubt)

              Now to tell me not to ask any more questions if I think that way, is just kinda childish
              No whats childish is trying to float that computers can detect A "personal touch" to rank websites and getting your hair in a snizzy because someone rightfully told you that its 100% sure not something an algo can detect.

              But hey you are the new wave of newbs messing up the forums that don't know SEO , tell people you don't know SEO but can tell us all what we can't know anything for sure because you are all so freaking brilliant you figured out we don't know anything for sure even though you don't know enough to know if we do.


              but will gladly ask for advice from experienced members here, hopefully including you.
              Hope on. You disqualified yourself from my assistance and hopefully a lot of other people who cant be bothered with this mess. The only advice I have for you is when you do build links buy anything with PR 3 and above and forget checking the backlinks to it...(waste of time) because well we all don't work at google so you never know for absolutely sure. Who says Pr doesn't have juice without links? the guts of them to say so.

              I am going to go and give my site some personal touches so they can rank number one. Who knows? A big enough hug and it might even rank above Google adwords in the organic column.
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              Both on page and off page seo help you to get ranking .
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
          Originally Posted by creat1veone View Post

          Could someone explain the importance of having my own hosting? Does it DIRECTLY increase OR AT LEAST have a potential of increasing site rank JUST because its hosted specifically and not on a free WP network?

          Thanks!
          Are you talking about self hosting a WordPress blog vs using a free wordpress.com blog? If that's what you are referring to, it doesn't impact your rankings. It only gives you the ability to host your articles on your own domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author jezter6
    I rub my balls on my monitor before I submit all my posts. If that's not "personal touch" I don't know what is.

    Everything ranks really high when I do this.

    If I post from work and can't whip my balls out, those posts never rank.

    PERSONAL TOUCH is king of SEO now!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jezter6 View Post

      PERSONAL TOUCH is king of SEO now!
      Laugh all you want. You don't work for Google so what do you know? I am going to go buy me a big touch screen. BestBuy.com for SEO every time.

      I'm using a free wordpress blog and I added (bought) a custom domain for it. I was wondering would having a hosting directly influence ranking possibilities (e.g. giving Google a trust signal).
      We don't work for Google so we don't know what trust signals they use but wordpress.com is a PR 9 so go forth and conquer. You never know
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      • Profile picture of the author creat1veone
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Laugh all you want. You don't work for Google so what do you know? I am going to go buy me a big touch screen. BestBuy.com for SEO every time.

        We don't work for Google so we don't know what trust signals they use but wordpress.com is a PR 9 so go forth and conquer. You never know
        First, dude seriously you need to chill. Have I offended you so much by having an opinion? How old are you anyway?

        I'm wondering about your age because you just did what immature people do, take another person's argument and twist it in a way it suits your point best, women actually do this best, personal experience there

        That experience thought me its an endless street, so I won't indulge that sort of behavior with you anymore, at least not here, its off topic.

        Anyways, I'd suggest we stop spamming this thread and take our discussion privately, if you're interested in a Skype conversation PM me.

        Cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by creat1veone View Post

          Anyways, I'd suggest we stop spamming this thread and take our discussion privately, if you're interested in a Skype conversation PM me.
          What in the world do we have to talk about privately? If someone is new to SEO thats one thing . Its another thing to not be mature enough to take responsibility for your own statements. People have made fun of the claim that putting a personal touch on your site is a ranking factor because its ridiculous. That was YOUR statement and you stood by it no one twisted it. If you insist on something patently ridiculous and chide others for pointing out its surely false then you will get ridiculed on many forums. Thats just life.
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          • Profile picture of the author bind
            There are two phase for website optimization, one is off page and next one is on page and as per my opinions website ranking is based on number of relevant and quality back link that will is done with help of off page. On page SEO just make your website compatible for search engine and there guide line.
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