This wso can it be done more cheaply?

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Hi was looking at http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...00-orders.html

It looks great doesn't it. Just wondering though if I popped over to fiverr and found a guy willing to do a 10 web2.0 pyramid for $5 +$5 for a tier 2 blast. Then I got 10 unique articles written for say $50 from fiverr. And publish them to each page. That would stand me at $60.

Is there any difference?
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    People at Fiverr don't spend any time to make the web2.0's look decent with custom themes , images , video's and such.

    Some prices that I remember:

    - 500 bookmarks $5
    - 20k comments $5
    - 5000 wiki's $5

    So that comes down to about $60,- when you look at the amounts he offers, he does 350 word articles so that would be $35,- so you could be done for less then $100 instead of $169

    Still I wouldn't spend so much on spam links, better learn these spam tools yourself or invest that type of money in your own PR3-PR4 domains, then you can rank with way less links and a lot less spammy.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Yes it is all about the PBN I know personally from working with you how effective they are.

    It gets so annoying though to constantly have a google update roll out and do serious damage to your business rep especially as your trying to grow.

    I've seen sites like Easy Blog Networks that make the whole thing as headache free as possible. The trouble is finding the expired domains to buy and then you also need cash flow to purchase 20 strong pr3/4 domains as everyone wants them and as it has a steep learning curve im guessing you'll get fingers burned along the way.

    It's fantastic when a client is paying $300 per month for seo you can just outsource to someone like yourself on a monthly plan but when you have clients who pay max $60 per month you need something that works at the lower end.

    I'm considering for these low paying clients as most of them are only interested in local seo to use whitesparks citaiton service as 40 ($160) citations im guessing will see a client on page1 of gmaps pack in serps and it won't do the organic listings any harm will it. Then once they have done the service once you can re use the directories and get a va to do it for cheaper

    What you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      Yes it is all about the PBN I know personally from working with you how effective they are.

      It gets so annoying though to constantly have a google update roll out and do serious damage to your business rep especially as your trying to grow.

      I've seen sites like Easy Blog Networks that make the whole thing as headache free as possible. The trouble is finding the expired domains to buy and then you also need cash flow to purchase 20 strong pr3/4 domains as everyone wants them and as it has a steep learning curve im guessing you'll get fingers burned along the way.

      It's fantastic when a client is paying $300 per month for seo you can just outsource to someone like yourself on a monthly plan but when you have clients who pay max $60 per month you need something that works at the lower end.

      I'm considering for these low paying clients as most of them are only interested in local seo to use whitesparks citaiton service as 40 ($160) citations im guessing will see a client on page1 of gmaps pack in serps and it won't do the organic listings any harm will it. Then once they have done the service once you can re use the directories and get a va to do it for cheaper

      What you think?
      Whitespark is UK based?

      VA's can do 40 citations for something like $15 perhaps cheaper, I think I used to pay $10 for 30 citations or something.

      Totally depends how many similar businesses there are in your town, sometimes you don't even need to do anything at all to show up there if there are only 4-5 companies or something. I did read on this forum that the 7 pack of places has been reduced to 2-3 in many SERP's so you might want to check up on that first, Pigeon update had to do with that.

      You can also test a bit yourself with cheaper domains in the PR1-PR2 range, I can send you a list of registrars that are less known so their auctions are less crowded so you can pick up better deals there in the lower range of things.

      Your UK based and I don't think these go through auctions, could be wrong though, but you can scrape UK authority type of sites and look for links leading to non registered domains, run them through Netpeak checker for some pre-filtering and you can find semi-decent domains for cheap.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      but when you have clients who pay max $60 per month you need something that works at the lower end.
      Why don't you just stop taking clients that are only willing to pay $60/month? Sounds like that would solve a lot of your problems.

      That is ridiculous to expect any kind of results on that sort of budget.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Whitespark is US based but they do citation building service for uk business.

    If you can foward the less known registrars that would be great

    I have tried the XENU sleuth method before but it failed to work for me on many occasions if that is similar to what your suggesting on that last point

    The pbn service you offer sounds v interesting too. Access to 25 sites I'm guessing I could easily use that to give 20 clients 25 strong backlinks. So cost per client would be $199 divided by 20 would be around $10 per month. Do you think that is realistic?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      Whitespark is US based but they do citation building service for uk business.

      If you can foward the less known registrars that would be great

      I have tried the XENU sleuth method before but it failed to work for me on many occasions if that is similar to what your suggesting on that last point

      The pbn service you offer sounds v interesting too. Access to 25 sites I'm guessing I could easily use that to give 20 clients 25 strong backlinks. So cost per client would be $199 divided by 20 would be around $10 per month. Do you think that is realistic?
      Yes I meant the Xenu method indeed.

      It's not really 25 strong links, it's 15 strong links and 10 links on weak but hyper relevant domains. Thing is we look for domains that are hyper relevant and it's not easy to match strength with hyper relevancy so to say so naturally you end up with DA10 domains, but it's good to have for my clients as it's not very natural to only have high PR links and the relevancy can help prevent penalties so it's good anyway.

      But if you look at it from point of value then it comes down to $199/15 = $12 per strong link really (little bit discounted).

      Anyway you have to try it to see if it works, just send me a mail and we'll setup links for a few sites of your clients (1 per site) and then later on you can decide to see if it has the expected results for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    It's cheaper if you do it yourself but you are going to spend more time and if you are not pleased with the quality, you'll have to redo them or correct the mistakes you made yourself. However, if you order that service, you will save a lot of time. Your call.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    How many client websites would you say we could service with that nik0?

    My only concern is some of our clients may not be related although we have strong clusters of clients infact. At the moment we have a cluster of dental practises. Your figure is divided by 15 so would you say it recommended to stick to a maximum of 15 clients with the pbn rental service?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by codecreative View Post

      How many client websites would you say we could service with that nik0?

      My only concern is some of our clients may not be related although we have strong clusters of clients infact. At the moment we have a cluster of dental practises. Your figure is divided by 15 so would you say it recommended to stick to a maximum of 15 clients with the pbn rental service?
      You most likely won't rank 15 clients with a $199/month service, come on be realistic. Even though the competition is low I would first try to see how it works out for 5 clients, that's 5 links per client.
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  • Profile picture of the author codecreative
    Thanks for the feedback Nik0. Well its 15 strong links and 10 relevant links so isn't that 25 links per client? sorry if im missing the point here not trying to be rude or unrealistic.

    And your advice is to stick to 5 clients for best results per $199 per month?
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