SEO what doesn't work anymore?

by Chris Del 50 replies
Hey all,

Can someone please tell me honestly what doesn't work with SEO anymore? Like, keyword stuffing, spammy links etc.

Been on the SEO game running small niches, but want to improve on ranking for competitive keywords.

I keep hearing this and keeping hearing that. So hard to trust people nowadays. Hope we still got some good ppl out there that can tell me straight up.
#search engine optimization #anymore #seo #work
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
    Instead of thinking what currently works, the better strategy is to use SEO methods that will ALWAYS work. Looking natural is the key. Building a social presence or getting links from authority domains are two strategies that will always help your site.

    FWIW
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  • Profile picture of the author sohailglt
    Leave the not working things, just write quality content, build backlinks by writing guest post. You will get good results.
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    • Profile picture of the author kiddoman
      Originally Posted by sohailglt View Post

      Leave the not working things, just write quality content, build backlinks by writing guest post. You will get good results.
      I just want to say that guest post is really a little difficult for those SEOers whose English is not good like me. I have tried to do guest posts before and send my posts to some websites that allow gust blogging. However, nothing happened. I think expect guest blogging, why not try link exchange? I think this is a better, easier and effective way to get high quality backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arttech
    According to Google's spam guru Matt Cutts posting comments on other sites and leaving your sites url doesn't hold to much seo link building weight anymore as it has in the past. However I still believe that as long as you are posting to sites who's content is relevant to your sites than it's still a good thing to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author iisark
    Sapmming blogs and forums,distributing same anchor text all over the net,guest books...The better question would be: "What is still wotk?" and the answer is: quality rather than quantity - get few links but from reputable sources. Make a unique, useful content and you should be fine.
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    What doesn't work are pligg/phpdugg sites mostly those bookmarking sites will put you to penalty.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Del
    Thanks for your replies everyone ! I am noticing quality content really helps with the ranking with some good backlinks to it. I have a 15000 search per month niche that jumped from page 7 - 4 as a result of that. We'll see how this goes
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    Quality content and backlinks from related high PR pages with proper anchor give you good results during time.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Almost everything that used to work still works. The only problem with those methods is that your site won't last long before receiving a penalty. If you want to keep receiving traffic for a relatively long time, create quality content, get natural backlinks, and avoid spam. Also, work towards improving engagement, decreasing your bounce rate, and getting more social shares.
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    1. Keyword stuffing

    2. Getting thousands of backlinks from any source

    3. Focusing on on-page optimization and code to the exclusion of a social media presence

    4. Ignoring longtials

    5. Creating a million crappy pages

    6. Throwing 2000 words onto a page because it's the "the only way to rank."

    Basically, write for human readers and provide valuable info that people want to link to.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    I guess it depends how far back you want to go for what used to work, Google has been around since 1998.

    PageRank sculpting with rel="nofollow" no longer works, worked pre 2009.

    Rather than conserve the PR for the dofollow links, the PR is lost.

    Most things blackhat only work short to medium term before Google finds a way to deal with it.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

      PageRank sculpting with rel="nofollow" no longer works, worked pre 2009.

      Rather than conserve the PR for the dofollow links, the PR is lost.
      Get a followed link from a high PR page & you'll see it blows away a nofollow link. PR isn't lost on a followed link just because other links on the page are nofollow.

      Besides Google is encouraging the unwitting to disavow links which is link sculpting.
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Get a followed link from a high PR page & you'll see it blows away a nofollow link. PR isn't lost on a followed link just because other links on the page are nofollow.

        Besides Google is encouraging the unwitting to disavow links which is link sculpting.
        Nofollow links pass no direct SEO value to the page linked to and damages the page the nofollow link is on (deletes one links worth of PR which won't be used by the followed links).

        For a link to pass direct SEO value it must lack rel="nofollow" or any other method (like some types of javascript links) to hide it from Google.

        PageRank sculpting tends to refer to controlling PR/link benefit flowing through your own domain. Several methods have worked in the past nofollow, javascript, well though out linking structure (don't add internal links to worthless pages). Today some types of javascript links still work as does a well thought out linking structure (that will always work).

        Disavow is used to disavow links from other domains not internal links, so it's not been using for PR or link sculpting. It's used to try to prevent or recover from Google giving a penalty for unnatural links.

        Some say it doesn't work and does more harm than good since when you get an unnatural links warning Google has already removed the links from the ranking calculation.

        By disavowing links there's a a very good chance you'll disavow links which Google hasn't removed from the ranking calculation and so you'll damage your SERPs.

        To be honest I'm on the fence with disavowing links. Is it better to be proactive BEFORE bad links result in an unnatural link warning so your site is never labeled as a problem domain?

        IME a domain that has had a penalty has to be SEO whiter than white to regain/maintain rankings. Better to avoid a downgrade than recover from one.

        However, by disavowing links are you sending a signal to Google you have unnatural links, please look closer at my site :-)

        Hence why I'm on the fence.

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        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
          Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

          Nofollow links pass no direct SEO value to the page linked to and damages the page the nofollow link is on (deletes one links worth of PR which won't be used by the followed links).
          Inaccurate information. Totally not factual.

          I'd love to see the evidence for this.

          Nofollow links not having value, also, do you really believe that?

          We've tested it..

          Nofollow and dofollow links both give value back to a page.

          You're just being fooled by "hearsay" and not testing.
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          • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
            Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

            Inaccurate information. Totally not factual.

            I'd love to see the evidence for this.

            Nofollow links not having value, also, do you really believe that?

            We've tested it..

            Nofollow and dofollow links both give value back to a page.

            You're just being fooled by "hearsay" and not testing.
            My SEO tests show nofollow links do not pass anchor text benefit to the linked to page.

            Here's one of my public tests Anchor Text SEO Test

            I've got many more I keep private.

            What SEO tests on nofollow have you run and what do you think they prove?

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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

              I wouldn't be suprised if there's more nofollow links than followed links now.

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              Dave,
              I know your new around this sub-section, and you take a lot of heat. And I don't want to come across as a bully of some sort by saying this.

              But let me be honest for a moment.
              Most of what you say in this sub-forum is completely and utterly wrong. I don't know who's SEO WSO courses you're reading, but I'd be hitting the refund button if I where you.

              No-follow is less then 5% of the web and was introduced in 2005, not 2009 FYI.
              No-Follow does not mean, no crawl or no index either FYI.

              You should have tried reading the MattCutts article on link sculpting, instead of just grabbing the post date.
              https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pagerank-sculpting/

              It's a typical noob mistake when looking at SEO in a fragmented way, that dismisses all other ranking factors within their theories and so called "testing". Those other 199 factors you rely upon to defend yourself with, in other posts. Remember those?
              I'm still waiting on that full list btw.

              Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

              My SEO tests show nofollow links do not pass anchor text benefit to the linked to page.

              Here's one of my public tests Anchor Text SEO Test

              I've got many more I keep private.

              What SEO tests on nofollow have you run and what do you think they prove?

              David
              I didn't actually see any test on the pages you linked too, only a blog post with your conclusions. Where are the data sets you based your assumptions on? Or more to the point, where is this test?
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              • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                Dave,
                I know your new around this sub-section, and you take a lot of heat. And I don't want to come across as a bully of some sort by saying this.

                But let me be honest for a moment.
                Most of what you say in this sub-forum is completely and utterly wrong. I don't know who's SEO WSO courses you're reading, but I'd be hitting the refund button if I where you.

                No-follow is less then 5% of the web and was introduced in 2005, not 2009 FYI.
                No-Follow does not mean, no crawl or no index either FYI.

                You should have tried reading the MattCutts article on link sculpting, instead of just grabbing the post date.
                https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pagerank-sculpting/

                It's a typical noob mistake when looking at SEO in a fragmented way, that dismisses all other ranking factors within their theories and so called "testing". Those other 199 factors you rely upon to defend yourself with, in other posts. Remember those?
                I'm still waiting on that full list btw.



                I didn't actually see any test on the pages you linked too, only a blog post with your conclusions. Where are the data sets you based your assumptions on? Or more to the point, where is this test?
                It would be easier to teach 2 year olds to understand Shakespeare than try to teach many on this forum basic SEO.

                Try reading the comment I directly linked to, the comment includes the test details.

                Where did I say nofollow was introduced in 2009?

                Where did I say Google can't follow a nofollow link to spider a page or that a nofollowed link means the linked to page can't be indexed?

                Please supply the quotes.

                I said anchor text benefit is NOT passed via a nofollow link. Do you even understand what that means? Feel free to show me a test that excludes all other SEO variables that shows anchor text benefit is passed via nofollow links.

                Calling me a noob is hilarious, I made a living as an SEO consultant for about a decade. I don't follow idiotic WSO courses here, I run my own SEO tests and have done so for as long as I've owned websites which I bet is longer than you have?

                If you want a serious conversation about SEO techniques etc..., feel free, otherwise get a life as I've been dealing with people like you since the earlier 2000's and rather than debate the message, you attack the messenger because you lack the skills to prove your argument.

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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  You guys are misunderstanding each other I think.

                  What Dave is saying that if you have:

                  - 9 dofollow links on a page
                  - 1 nofollow link on the same page

                  That only 90 percent of juice is being passed through those 9 dofollow links and the remaining 10 percent is eaten up by the nofollow link. (let's ignore whether a page passes 100 percent of juice or 90 percent or 85 percent in total just to keep things easy).

                  Because of that 10 percent juice lost he defines that as damage.
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                  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    You guys are misunderstanding each other I think.

                    What Dave is saying that if you have:

                    - 9 dofollow links on a page
                    - 1 nofollow link on the same page

                    That only 90 percent of juice is being passed through those 9 dofollow links and the remaining 10 percent is eaten up by the nofollow link. (let's ignore whether a page passes 100 percent of juice or 90 percent or 85 percent in total just to keep things easy).

                    Because of that 10 percent juice lost he defines that as damage.
                    Yeah, someone actually understands the SEO concept :-)

                    Did you do the research Nik0 (I'm far from the only person who believes the above) and do you now agree having nofollow links on your site is SEO damaging?

                    For the record there's no harm to a site in having nofollow links pointing at their site, there will be indirect SEO benefit from a nofollow link same as if I wrote go to www dot amazon dot com to buy books, some will visit the link even though there's no direct SEO value in that link format.

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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

                      Yeah, someone actually understands the SEO concept :-)

                      Did you do the research Nik0 (I'm far from the only person who believes the above) and do you now agree having nofollow links on your site is SEO damaging?

                      For the record there's no harm to a site in having nofollow links pointing at their site, there will be indirect SEO benefit from a nofollow link same as if I wrote go to www dot amazon dot com to buy books, some will visit the link even though there's no direct SEO value in that link format.

                      David
                      I read it a couple of times from reliable sources that I long forgot about, besides that from past conversations I remember that this is a topic that most agree on so I was a bit surprised how this conversation went so only conclusion I can draw is that there is a misunderstanding going on, hence my post.

                      As you know I always thought that Yoast nofollows pages when I use the noindex option, kind of silly as that check button clearly says "noindex/follow" lol. That function turns out pretty handy for part of my PBN now though, as I now do it like this:

                      - Static homepage (to make the site look real)

                      - Date archive instead of categories (looks much more natural then having dozens of different named categories), I also noindex/follow those date archives to avoid having many irrelevant links on the same page. Thanks for pointing that out.

                      - Posts, where the link from the customer is present so we went from 3 links per domain to 1 link, which is good.

                      Now I just wonder about one thing now that the date archives or categories are noindexed/followed. How much juice would reach my posts? Some clients complain that the link is too far from the homepage now but does it really matter.

                      Simple math, assuming PR4=500 points, PR3=100 points, PR2=20 points:

                      Scenario 1:

                      Homepage with 5 date archives 500 points total

                      Date archive 1 receives 100 points and there are 5 posts present with a total of 10 links (5 interal to the posts , and 5 external to the sites they link to) so that's 10 points per link.

                      Post itself, receives 10 points, and as there is 1 OBL on the post it passes those 10 points to the site it links to as well.

                      Total: 10 points from category/archive and 10 points from post makes 20.


                      Scenario 2:

                      Homepage with 5 date archive 500 points

                      Date archive that is noindexed/follow and thus kind of ignored but passes juice

                      Posts, 25 in total (5 on archive * 5 archives), each receives 20 points.


                      So despite the fact that it's 2 pages away from the homepage it should still be able to pass the same amount of juice, right?

                      For people with sticky posts I was thinking to do some generic links from homepage to their post to still pass the amount of juice they paid for.

                      Now to make it a little more complicated, to make this all match as described, there should not be a date archive widget present in the sidebar on post / archive level or does "what comes around go's around" apply here?

                      We've been very busy getting rid of all nonsense links to author / category pages on post / archive level as well as footer links.
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                      • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        I read it a couple of times from reliable sources that I long forgot about, besides that from past conversations I remember that this is a topic that most agree on so I was a bit surprised how this conversation went so only conclusion I can draw is that there is a misunderstanding going on, hence my post.

                        As you know I always thought that Yoast nofollows pages when I use the noindex option, kind of silly as that check button clearly says "noindex/follow" lol. That function turns out pretty handy for part of my PBN now though, as I now do it like this:

                        - Static homepage (to make the site look real)

                        - Date archive instead of categories (looks much more natural then having dozens of different named categories), I also noindex/follow those date archives to avoid having many irrelevant links on the same page. Thanks for pointing that out.

                        - Posts, where the link from the customer is present so we went from 3 links per domain to 1 link, which is good.

                        Now I just wonder about one thing now that the date archives or categories are noindexed/followed. How much juice would reach my posts? Some clients complain that the link is too far from the homepage now but does it really matter.

                        Simple math, assuming PR4=500 points, PR3=100 points, PR2=20 points:

                        Scenario 1:

                        Homepage with 5 date archives 500 points total

                        Date archive 1 receives 100 points and there are 5 posts present with a total of 10 links (5 interal to the posts , and 5 external to the sites they link to) so that's 10 points per link.

                        Post itself, receives 10 points, and as there is 1 OBL on the post it passes those 10 points to the site it links to as well.

                        Total: 10 points from category/archive and 10 points from post makes 20.


                        Scenario 2:

                        Homepage with 5 date archive 500 points

                        Date archive that is noindexed/follow and thus kind of ignored but passes juice

                        Posts, 25 in total (5 on archive * 5 archives), each receives 20 points.


                        So despite the fact that it's 2 pages away from the homepage it should still be able to pass the same amount of juice, right?

                        For people with sticky posts I was thinking to do some generic links from homepage to their post to still pass the amount of juice they paid for.

                        Now to make it a little more complicated, to make this all match as described, there should not be a date archive widget present in the sidebar on post / archive level or does "what comes around go's around" apply here?

                        We've been very busy getting rid of all nonsense links to author / category pages on post / archive level as well as footer links.
                        If I understand correctly you are trying to reduce wasted link benefit so links out to clients pass maximum SEO link benefit whilst not making your site look like it's run by an SEO service company (the date archives: a bit of anti-SEO). Other than the date archives rather than categories** it's a good plan for your clients.

                        ** This depends on what the sites are for. If the articles you post are all over the place niche wise (no strong niche) going to be hard to optimize categories, so all the archives do is pass link benefit through the site to the posts. I'm an SEO purist, everything has to be SEO'd, but I understand the logic if the main aim of the site is just to accumulate PR which you pass on to clients via the articles rather than squeeze every SERP out of Google for your sites. When I used to sell links I went for both, though that in itself is a risk because if you start to rank high, there's more scrutiny from your competition (have been the victim of my own success many times!).

                        Regarding the number of links, some link sellers go the opposite route, they'll max out internal links and talk about unique outbound links like to Google there's a difference between PR passed through internal and outbound links (there's no difference).

                        They might have a post with 100 internal links and a few outbound and the seller will try to argue because there's so few outbound links they pass more PR, whilst the reality is if you have a page with a total of 100 links, 99 internal and 1 to a client(s) sites, only 1% of the PR from that page is passing to your client.

                        For those buying/trading links always look at the total number of links including nofollow links. If there are a total of 100 links and you get one, you gain 1% of the PR that can pass from that page, it's not a lot of link benefit. A page with 10 links and one is yours, you gain 10% of the PR that can pass from that page. A page with 200 links and you get 1, your share is 0.5%!

                        Pages with less links = good, pages with more links = bad :-)

                        Anyway, your two scenarios sound pretty good for clients, minimizing internal linking which means each post is passing more of the PR that page has accumulated. If public PageRank still updated you'd be able to show how much value the links pass, I used to use a simplified PR formula described at Google PageRank Explained

                        Simplified Formula
                        pr points = pr
                        dampening factor = 0.85
                        number of links from the page = lks
                        pr * 0.85 / lks = PR points transferred through one link

                        You would take the PR of the page linked from (PR4 for example), read of how many pr points a PR4 is worth from the table below (4096), replace lks with the number of links from the page:
                        pr points = PR scale
                        PR1 = 8 pr points
                        PR2 = 64 pr points
                        PR3 = 512 pr points
                        PR4 = 4,096 pr points
                        PR5 = 32,768 pr points
                        PR6 = 262,144 pr points
                        PR7 = 2,097,152 pr points
                        PR8 = 16,777,216 pr points
                        PR9 = 134,217,728 pr points
                        PR10 = 1,073,741,824 pr points
                        Example.

                        PR4 = 4096
                        50 links

                        4096 * 0.85 / 50 = 69.632

                        Read of the table what PR value is closest to 69.632 and that's roughly how much PR is passed per link. So in this example a link from a PR4 page with 50 links would probably generate a PR2 page.

                        Not as valuable as it used to be since PR hasn't updated for almost a year. Still a good way to understand the relative value of links from different pages. If I asked you which is worth more?

                        PR7 link from a webpage with 300 links
                        PR6 link from a webpage with 75 links
                        PR6 link from a webpage with 10 links
                        PR5 link from a webpage with 60 links
                        PR5 link from a webpage with 20 links
                        PR4 link from a webpage with 10 links

                        You wouldn't know without some math and the formula above makes it easy.

                        It's easy to use the simplified formula to rank them in terms of which passes most PR per link. The real PR formula uses multiple iterations, so this is just a rough estimate.

                        PR7/300 link 5942 points = PR4
                        PR6/75 link 2971 points = strong PR3 or weak PR4
                        PR6/10 link 22282 points = strong PR4 or weak PR5
                        PR5/60 link 464 points = weak PR3
                        PR5/20 link 1393 points = PR3
                        PR4/10 link 348 points = strong PR2 or weak PR3

                        The best link in terms of PR is the PR6 with 10 links, worst is the PR4 with 10 links, but the PR5 with 60 links is barely any better than the PR4 with 10 links. If you were buying/trading these links you'd understand which has most value and which least in terms of PR value. You can see the PR7/300 link is only worth twice as much as the PR6/75 link, but the PR6/10 link is worth almost 4 times what the PR7/300 is worth.

                        With regards your scenarios you can see by sending PR through any archive it costs PR, have you considered with so few articles per site (25 isn't a lot) to link them all from the home page and have no archives?

                        Let's say you have a PR5 home page and you link to all 25 posts from the homepage, no archives.

                        32,768 * 0.85 / 25 = 1114.112

                        That's 25 above average PR3 pages.

                        If you have the 5 archive option, so the home page has 5 links from it only.

                        32,768 * 0.85 / 5 = 5570.56

                        That's 5 above average PR4 pages, but those are the archives so we have to consider their calculation. Let's look at one to see what the 5 articles will be.

                        5570.56 * 0.85 / 5 = 946.9952

                        Still PR3, but rather than 1114.112 pr points it's 946.9952 pr points, so weaker PR3's.

                        In the real world you'd have some inter linking, the dated archives might be linked sitewide, home page linked sitewide.

                        The way to look at this is every page you link to costs link benefit, whether you noindex it or not. By sending PR through intermediate pages (the archives) you loose the dampening factor (~15%) worth of the pr points.

                        Limit the number of intermediate pages, limits the pr points spent on pages you don't value. That's why I use SEO'd categories, they tend to be well linked (in our example above if your 5 archives were categories they'd be PR4) and makes sense to me to try to gain traffic to them (target SERPs). when I used to sell links I'd sell links from categories as well, added the ability to add links from WordPress categories because they tend to hold so much PR.

                        All that being said if you have lot's of PR you don't have to worry about it too much, so if you are good at link building you can afford to spend PR on categories/archives you don't index/rank.

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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                  Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

                  I've been dealing with people like you since the earlier 2000's
                  I know you better then you might think, perhaps I was under a different persona back then, It changes from place to place.

                  Aren't you the guy who kept getting publicly Pwned by Joost de Valk (SEOYoast) when you where trying to spin off the same kind of nonsense years ago?

                  In all those years comparatively, how do you think your idea's stood up against his facts? I guess he must of just had a better marketing team then you.

                  But you're right in a way, being life's too short to try re-educate the ignorant to the facts that are right in front of them. You rock on and keep spitting out the nonsense, and the rest of us will spend our lives correcting you repeatedly.

                  It's all good in the hood.
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                  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                    Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                    I know you better then you might think, perhaps I was under a different persona back then, It changes from place to place.

                    Aren't you the guy who kept getting publicly Pwned by Joost de Valk (SEOYoast) when you where trying to spin off the same kind of nonsense years ago?

                    In all those years comparatively, how do you think your idea's stood up against his facts? I guess he must of just had a better marketing team then you.

                    But you're right in a way, being life's too short to try re-educate the ignorant to the facts that are right in front of them. You rock on and keep spitting out the nonsense, and the rest of us will spend our lives correcting you repeatedly.

                    It's all good in the hood.
                    That's it Kev, attack the messenger again, NOT the message.

                    Waiting for the quotes, will you post them?
                    Waiting for your SEO argument regarding anchor text of nofollow links passing benefit?

                    When was I "publicly Pwned by Joost de Valk"?

                    Had a few discussions online with him via comments on his site/my site and the wp-hackers mailing list (3 discussions in total over 4 years: I've had more interaction with you Kev).

                    Don't want to keep posting to my own site, you guys get Nancy about it :-) so non-clickable links.

                    stallion-theme.co.uk/wordpress-seo-plugins-and-seo-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-952

                    stallion-theme.co.uk/yoast-wordpress-seo-plugin-review/comment-page-1/#comment-30

                    https://yoast.com/wordpress-seo-theme/ (a few comments)

                    That's it.

                    One pissing up a wall contest and two reasonable SEO discussions. Please show when was I "publicly Pwned by Joost de Valk"?

                    And yes you are correct, Yoast has a really good marketing strategy. If he sold marketing as a service I'd be tempted, but SEO services per se, no thanks.

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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

          ...and damages the page the nofollow link is on (deletes one links worth of PR which won't be used by the followed links).
          Anyone that believes that BS is crazy in the head.
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          • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Anyone that believes that BS is crazy in the head.
            As opposed to "crazy in the knee".

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  • Even though no follow links have no ranking value i always have a few of them just to look organic to the search engines. It would look really strange to have nothing but dofollow backlinks
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by ShoeNickel View Post

      Even though no follow links have no ranking value i always have a few of them just to look organic to the search engines. It would look really strange to have nothing but dofollow backlinks
      If a site gets popular it will generate plenty of nofollow links.

      Few examples.

      Most scrapers will nofollow links back.

      Trackbacks.

      Links from Facebook, Google+, Twitter....

      Links from forums like Warrior Forum...

      Most links from blog comments.

      You don't have to go looking for nofollow links, they'll find you. I wouldn't be suprised if there's more nofollow links than followed links now.

      David
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Evans
        Go for the SEO Myths and guide at Moz. It'll surely help you to guide in latest SEO.

        And the practices included that dosn't work anymore are:
        Only meta tags
        Keyword Stuffing
        Search Engine Submission
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  • Profile picture of the author cchandran
    Try to build quality backinks using social bookmarking,forums, blog commenting, write unique content and share it through social networking sites, use social media in a right path to get more traffic. Nowadays this is the new SEO strategy that i am following. Try this to get
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Ford
    Firstly i want to know that Which SEO method you have used ?
    SEO methods depend on a better strategy works.
    And must be learning about SEO first.
    If you learn more then you can earn more.
    Domain authority, Natural Keyword, Unique & updated content etc is also a big part of SEO. Always avoiding spamming..
    Hope you will get success. But Don't forget to learn more about SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author roysrooter
    Don't use keywords stuffing with contents or blog.just work with effective off page techniques or use quality or original content.
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    Link Dropping is a forum sin.

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  • Profile picture of the author IMLab
    Google changes and updates its algorithms on daily basis. As a golden marketing rule, always focus on the techniques that will "always" work.

    Those are as follows:

    1. Building high quality unique content.
    2. Interacting with your fans on social media networks.
    3. Buying ads in well reputable relevant websites.
    4. Building relationships with other relevant blogs and guest posting when possible.
    5. Building high quality, natural, relevant and diversified backlinks.
    6. Properly optimize your website according to the latest on-page SEO factors.

    (Note: You can find some free tutorials at my signature area).

    When you are using automated link building programs, suspicious SEO services or black hat techniques then surely you will have tough times seeing the results you desire.

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    Links still reign supreme but you need to avoid getting hit by the penguin filter and penguin has always targeted over-optimized links inside of spun content on low authority domains, do the opposite and you're fine...
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  • Profile picture of the author Masondavis
    If you just write quality content, build quality backlinks by writing a guest post. You will find a very good result in SEO work.
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  • Profile picture of the author BennyP
    You should focus on what you know works and think about link acquisition through sociable content. Offer something of value and links will come to you. Tutorial articles and videos work well, as do infographics, people like and share these. You can blow-up on reddit with 1 good image. Outreach to others in your niche, set up relationships. All it takes is an email. Backlink for traffic, not for the sake of a backlink.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Jacoby
      There's no substitution for quality content. The reason Google got as big as it is, is because they give people what they are searching for better than other search engines do. So they are always going to try to provide people with the best content possible. If you want something that's going to last long-term, just focus on adding great quality content and go from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author TallCoolOne
    Originally Posted by Chris Del View Post

    Hey all,

    Can someone please tell me honestly what doesn't work with SEO anymore? Like, keyword stuffing, spammy links etc. .

    If you're going to drive traffic with SEO, you should follow Google's rules. If not, sooner or later, you'll get slapped. High quality original content added daily is the best place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Here is my simple guess, probably all what you have been doing ain't working otherwise you won't be lamenting.

    Avoid spammy links and spun content and you will be all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    There are so many techniquest that don`t work anymore it`s waste of time to list them here all (:

    Backlinks from trusted top authority domains are the safest way of building backlinks these days, even PBN`s are getting penalized if someone treat them the wrong way.
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  • Profile picture of the author dewalds86
    Guest blogging is basically dead as well as social bookmarking
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  • Profile picture of the author AaronHarris
    Originally Posted by Chris Del View Post

    Hey all,

    Can someone please tell me honestly what doesn't work with SEO anymore? Like, keyword stuffing, spammy links etc.

    Been on the SEO game running small niches, but want to improve on ranking for competitive keywords.

    I keep hearing this and keeping hearing that. So hard to trust people nowadays. Hope we still got some good ppl out there that can tell me straight up.
    To tell you honestly, it articles that are spun. Also using keywords that aren't related to your link.

    Hope, I helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    OMG the SEO math.
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    • Profile picture of the author abs007
      too many low quality links no longer work ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        I thought about linking directly from the homepage but then again what anchors to use, unless we use some 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 etc. anchors.

        But 25 was just used as an example, some sites have 250+ posts.

        Now I'm a bit in dubio whether I'm going to remove the archive widget on archive level and only have it present on homepage level instead so that it becomes a real funnel that doesn't get affected by the dampening effect too much (if that still applies these days).

        With 8 archives and 8 posts per archive that would come down to:

        PR4 homepage - 8 internal links to archives
        PR3 archive page - 8 internal links to posts (no links to other archives)
        PR2 posts - only 1 OBL to client site (no footer, no link to home, no link to archives)

        That way a PR4 could in theory create 64 PR2 posts and thus the client would get the full PR2 juice.

        What I'm doing now in my new service with PR4 domains is:

        - 1 static homepage that links to client
        - homepage linking to 4 pages from other clients

        So that kind of comes down to a strong PR3 link with 1 OBL for each client and one of them a PR4 link on a page with 5 links (4 to pages 1 to client). I suppose the client that ends up on the homepage has a stronger link then the rest but they get multiple so it evens itself out.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    Nik0, if aiming for natural looking you should have a lot of posts that don't link to any client sites or anything external unless it made sense to link out.

    Picture a 250 post site with a different external link from each post, that's not normal.

    I've done what you are doing (no longer sell links, used to).

    IME the best setup is minimal categories, create enough categories so the categories with sold links never have posts with sold links on page 2 of a category archive.

    I wouldn't sell one link each from 250 posts (250 sold links), I would limit each domain no more than 15% of posts include sold links and one sold link per post. So for a 250 post site wouldn't sell much more than 40 links.

    On the posts that links aren't sold don't worry about them being in deeper categories. Also add additional internal links to the posts you've sold links on to funnel more link benefit.

    This keeps a site looking natural and hides your sold links while concentrating link benefit to the posts with sold links.

    If every post on a site has a sold link it looks unnatural and a manual review could catch you out. It's more work, but safer, even then you'll be caught by Google from time to time since Google knows the likes of Expedia are buying links, so if you have Expedia links on your sites that are obviously sold the entire domain won't pass PR to any clients.

    Yep, have to be careful who you sell links to, if you sell links to the big players Google might find you as a seller. Search google for "Expedia Paid Links" to see the issue.

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  • Profile picture of the author windsurfgirl
    But how can I get strong backlink? I have only weak links to my surf site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hudson White
    I can say link exchanging and building backlinks from low quality websites or irrelevant websites doesn't work anymore.

    Although people still do off-page activities but backlinks doesn't owe that much value what it use to be.
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  • Thanks for all the replies..This will also help me with our new website.
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    Originally Posted by Chris Del View Post

    Hey all,

    Can someone please tell me honestly what doesn't work with SEO anymore? Like, keyword stuffing, spammy links etc.

    Been on the SEO game running small niches, but want to improve on ranking for competitive keywords.

    I keep hearing this and keeping hearing that. So hard to trust people nowadays. Hope we still got some good ppl out there that can tell me straight up.
    Aside from long, quality articles over a period of months with real, relevant back links, SEO doesn't work with old tactics.

    That is why so many are paying for adwords or other PPC marketing. The game has changed and is only getting harder.
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  • Profile picture of the author windsurfgirl
    I want to be a Hyperactive User too ! is it difficult?
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