Working on a New SEO Software

by seocrawl 17 replies
Hi everyone!

I've been working on a new software for helping me get easy to rank for keywords. The program does not work like long tail pro or market samurai.

My program does not use Google Keyword planner to get keywords, I've found Keyword Planner would leave out some keywords so I have another way to grab keywords from Google. My software is also automated so it works while you sleep looking for golden nuggets.

The way my software ranks SERPs is very different from other software. This is where you guys come in. I'm interested in hearing what you guys want in a Keyword Research tool, what are things you look for when you do competitor analysis. One example I use for my software is if it finds a Yahoo answers in the SERP then rank it easy.

What factors do you guys look for? What features do you want to see?

The goal of the software is to be simple, it gives you a number and the lower the number the easier it will be to rank.

If anyone wants a keyword to test out to see how well it works just post it and I'll have it run it to see what you think about how it ranks. Please only post dummy keywords such as "bacon".

What my software thinks about "bacon". Lower the number the easier to rank.

bacon = 2330
bacon nutrition = 834
bacon nutrition facts = 243
oscar mayer bacon nutrition = 68 = ads
bacon food pyramid = 44
bacon health = 3330 = ads
governor bacon health center = 158
bacon food group = 2804
bacon recipes = 1903
sausage nutrition = 449
bacon health food = 604
oscar mayer thick sliced bacon calories = 51 = ads
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  • Does it come free with bacon?

    I would like it to have a tab that shows the top 10 search results per keyword and list the URLS and DA. Also when you click on the URL it brings to another page that shows you their link portfolio
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ShoeNickel View Post

      Does it come free with bacon?

      I would like it to have a tab that shows the top 10 search results per keyword and list the URLS and DA. Also when you click on the URL it brings to another page that shows you their link portfolio
      Good idea, haven't thought about that one yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by seocrawl View Post

    Hi everyone!

    I've been working on a new software for helping me get easy to rank for keywords. The program does not work like long tail pro or market samurai.

    My program does not use Google Keyword planner to get keywords, I've found Keyword Planner would leave out some keywords so I have another way to grab keywords from Google. My software is also automated so it works while you sleep looking for golden nuggets.

    The way my software ranks SERPs is very different from other software. This is where you guys come in. I'm interested in hearing what you guys want in a Keyword Research tool, what are things you look for when you do competitor analysis. One example I use for my software is if it finds a Yahoo answers in the SERP then rank it easy.

    What factors do you guys look for? What features do you want to see?

    The goal of the software is to be simple, it gives you a number and the lower the number the easier it will be to rank.

    If anyone wants a keyword to test out to see how well it works just post it and I'll have it run it to see what you think about how it ranks. Please only post dummy keywords such as "bacon".

    What my software thinks about "bacon". Lower the number the easier to rank.

    bacon = 2330
    bacon nutrition = 834
    bacon nutrition facts = 243
    oscar mayer bacon nutrition = 68 = ads
    bacon food pyramid = 44
    bacon health = 3330 = ads
    governor bacon health center = 158
    bacon food group = 2804
    bacon recipes = 1903
    sausage nutrition = 449
    bacon health food = 604
    oscar mayer thick sliced bacon calories = 51 = ads
    Lol I'm working on the same thing at the moment, a new keyword research tool that is a lot more reliable then all the existing ones out there as right now it's all crap really.

    Project is in the starting phase, just sorted our which API's we're going to use and basic outline of the tool. We've chosen to go for web based, eg coded in php.

    I don't include any signals like if there is a Yahoo Answers page ranking, we use a pure mathmetical approach.

    With most keyword research tools you depend on the opinion of the creator, eg how much weight he gives certain factors, we take that away by allowing the user to adjust the weights of different metrics their selves. LongtailPro and MarketSamurai are doing a very poor job at that as you might've noticed. The tool will come with pre-settings based on my own experience. We also include a thesaurus type of database to identify synonyms, eg same like Google does, bolding high relevant keywords when you search for something, all existing tools are missing that feature. Heck then even screw up when there is only a symbol in between like "Best Rowing Machine - Reviews That You Can Rely On", all of a sudden it's a lot less competitive cause there is a "-" symbol in between and thus not an exact match, pretty stupid but that's how basic existing tools are. It's like going back to the stone age.

    We also build in tons of exception rules so to say as you can't solely rely on metrics.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Based on your "bacon health" keyword I think you still have quite a bit of tuning to do, not sure what you mean with "= ads" though.

      Do you see this result at #9 same like me? (though I'm from Thai IP now):

      hxxp://www.baconismagic.ca/guest-posts/bacon-is-healthy

      It's a PA27 page, boxing with all the PA50+ results, you should ask yourself why that is.

      Sometimes it also helps by looking at what ranks at page two, sure we don't care about ranking there but it gives you a much better idea of how the competition is overall in let's say the top 30. Turns out "bacon health" is really not that competitive as you think, those PA50+ pages mostly rank cause there is a lack of relevant results to show. Most seem to miss that part and stare their selves to blind at metrics only. Hence my earlier comment about exception rules.

      Moz gives it a keyword difficulty of 54 percent, which is a complete joke.

      If it was that competitive then #11 #12 and #13 wouldn't be in the range of PA22-26.

      So what I conclude from this is:

      - you probably give too much weight to PA / DA
      - you give too little weight to relevancy

      As for what people might like to see these days are social metrics as well, not that it has any influence on rankings but opinions are divided, personally I give it zero weight in the pre-settings, but the tool will allow people to give it a certain weight if they wish to do so.
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      • Profile picture of the author seocrawl
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Based on your "bacon health" keyword I think you still have quite a bit of tuning to do, not sure what you mean with "= ads" though.

        Do you see this result at #9 same like me? (though I'm from Thai IP now):

        hxxp://www.baconismagic.ca/guest-posts/bacon-is-healthy

        It's a PA27 page, boxing with all the PA50+ results, you should ask yourself why that is.

        Sometimes it also helps by looking at what ranks at page two, sure we don't care about ranking there but it gives you a much better idea of how the competition is overall in let's say the top 30. Turns out "bacon health" is really not that competitive as you think, those PA50+ pages mostly rank cause there is a lack of relevant results to show. Most seem to miss that part and stare their selves to blind at metrics only. Hence my earlier comment about exception rules.

        Moz gives it a keyword difficulty of 54 percent, which is a complete joke.

        If it was that competitive then #11 #12 and #13 wouldn't be in the range of PA22-26.

        So what I conclude from this is:

        - you probably give too much weight to PA / DA
        - you give too little weight to relevancy

        As for what people might like to see these days are social metrics as well, not that it has any influence on rankings but opinions are divided, personally I give it zero weight in the pre-settings, but the tool will allow people to give it a certain weight if they wish to do so.
        I don't have the same results as you do, I have this as my #9.
        articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/.../eating-bacon.aspx

        The software does not care about PA or DA, its not a ranking factor or anything from Moz.

        The social metrics is a really good idea. It doesn't affect your site directly but it can indirectly.

        Someone else mention allowing each user to have a way to pick the weights they want, I'll try to add that.
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        • Profile picture of the author seocrawl
          Here is the updated list that my program has gathered since posting my first post. These keywords are keywords that the software finds in the niche. I never know what Keywords its going to pick, really helps find keywords I would have never known to look for.

          If anyone is wonder what the "= ads" means.... it just lets me know that there exist ads on the SERP so that must mean advertisers are willing to pay for that keyword.

          The lower the number the easier it should be to rank for.

          Let me know if any of the numbers don't seem right.



          bacon = 2330
          bacon nutrition = 834
          bacon nutrition facts = 243
          oscar mayer bacon nutrition = 68 = ads
          bacon food pyramid = 44
          bacon health = 3330 = ads
          governor bacon health center = 158
          bacon food group = 2804
          bacon recipes = 1903
          sausage nutrition = 449
          bacon health food = 604
          oscar mayer thick sliced bacon calories = 51 = ads
          how to cook bacon = 2797
          calories in thick cut bacon = 91
          calories in breakfast = 6045
          sausage patty nutrition = 53
          governor bacon health center nursing home = 80
          breakfast sausage nutrition = 77
          bacon health risks = 168
          can you eat bacon on a diet = 195
          bacon dessert recipes = 353
          calories needed breakfast = 760
          how to cook bacon in the oven = 892
          calorie counter thick cut bacon = 62
          calories in breakfast pizza = 414
          italian sausage nutrition = 93
          oscar mayer bacon nutrition facts = 101
          jimmy dean pork sausage nutrition facts = 98
          oscar mayer bacon nutrition = 66
          is bacon bad for a diet = 753
          calories in red baron breakfast pizza = 67 = ads
          oscar mayer thick sliced bacon calories = 49
          cooked bacon nutrition facts = 45
          governor bacon health center history = 245
          how long to cook bacon = 1693
          extra thick cut bacon = 636 = ads
          jimmy dean breakfast sausage nutrition = 97
          all bacon food truck = 814
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by seocrawl View Post

          I don't have the same results as you do, I have this as my #9.
          articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/.../eating-bacon.aspx

          The software does not care about PA or DA, its not a ranking factor or anything from Moz.

          The social metrics is a really good idea. It doesn't affect your site directly but it can indirectly.

          Someone else mention allowing each user to have a way to pick the weights they want, I'll try to add that.
          That someone else was me

          What I like about PA is that it also takes internal links in account to determine the strength of a page, kind of similar to pagerank really. In non spammed niches it's a quite reliable metric to determine strength so this will be one of our core metrics that gets the most weight. Sometimes it's a bit tricky though as brand new pages from Amazon could show as PA1 while they have a ton of juice pointing at them already due to the internal linking, therefor I need a good set of exception rules where we ignore such exceptions and take an average of the others.

          That's why your example keyword "bacon health" can make it difficult as most results are PA50+ and thus it would indicate that it's a competitive keyword. So perhaps instead of exception rules I have to downgrade/upgrade the PA based on the relevancy.

          Quite some puzzling it will be What a human eye can see quickly is not always easy to program.
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    • Profile picture of the author seocrawl
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Lol I'm working on the same thing at the moment, a new keyword research tool that is a lot more reliable then all the existing ones out there as right now it's all crap really.

      Project is in the starting phase, just sorted our which API's we're going to use and basic outline of the tool. We've chosen to go for web based, eg coded in php.

      I don't include any signals like if there is a Yahoo Answers page ranking, we use a pure mathmetical approach.

      With most keyword research tools you depend on the opinion of the creator, eg how much weight he gives certain factors, we take that away by allowing the user to adjust the weights of different metrics their selves. LongtailPro and MarketSamurai are doing a very poor job at that as you might've noticed. The tool will come with pre-settings based on my own experience. We also include a thesaurus type of database to identify synonyms, eg same like Google does, bolding high relevant keywords when you search for something, all existing tools are missing that feature. Heck then even screw up when there is only a symbol in between like "Best Rowing Machine - Reviews That You Can Rely On", all of a sudden it's a lot less competitive cause there is a "-" symbol in between and thus not an exact match, pretty stupid but that's how basic existing tools are. It's like going back to the stone age.

      We also build in tons of exception rules so to say as you can't solely rely on metrics.
      Glad to see I'm not the only one.

      The synonyms idea is a great one! and the "-" symbol is also a good one which I'm going to add too!

      I'm going after a much simpler approach, kind of a add on to other keyword tools. The goal of my software is to crawl and find new keywords and do a simple calculation to see how competitive it is. Once you have a list of words you would go through another keyword tool to make sure its worth pursuing.

      I would be very interested in your keyword tool.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by seocrawl View Post

        Glad to see I'm not the only one.

        The synonyms idea is a great one! and the "-" symbol is also a good one which I'm going to add too!

        I'm going after a much simpler approach, kind of a add on to other keyword tools. The goal of my software is to crawl and find new keywords and do a simple calculation to see how competitive it is. Once you have a list of words you would go through another keyword tool to make sure its worth pursuing.

        I would be very interested in your keyword tool.
        I just pull keywords from Google Adwords API so both our tools are quite a bit different indeed.

        Perhaps we could stay in touch and promote each others tools as an OTO, it seems they compliment each other.

        I'm hoping to have the tool functional in January, then it's a matter of testing and tweaking the algorithm behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    The usual factors:

    - Keyword in title
    - Keyword in url (not so important)
    - Weak sites in the top 10 (e.g. forums and Yahoo answers)
    - Root domain authority and PR
    - Authority and PR of ranking page
    - Number of root domains in top 10
    - Other affiliate sites in top 10
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      Originally Posted by SEO Power View Post

      The usual factors:

      - Keyword in title
      - Keyword in url (not so important)
      - Weak sites in the top 10 (e.g. forums and Yahoo answers)
      - Root domain authority and PR
      - Authority and PR of ranking page
      - Number of root domains in top 10
      - Other affiliate sites in top 10
      Other affiliate sites in the top 10 mean very little these days, most serious affiliate marketers use PBN's to rank their sites and block crawlers, making them look pretty weak to beat but that will disappoint you big time in most cases.

      More and more people are also into ranking parasites so to say, as it takes longer to rank new domains, some time ago I even saw someone ranking for SEO service in the top 3 with a thread on this forum, he pointed 1000's of paid links at it.

      Funny multiple people keep mentioning it as a weak signal though but wake up it's 2014, not 2008 when those guides were written.
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    Interesting, but i would like to receive the sample of work before trying this software,
    due this i can confirm what i am expecting with the sample results.
    Right?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    Concept sounds interesting especially if you allow the user to set the weights of each factor.

    The bacon list which makes me want a bacon sandwich, I love bacon :-) would be more useful with Google AdWords monthly traffic figures.

    Because all the current keyword research tools are shit I do my research manually, find the keywords with traffic using Google AdWords keyword planner and all other decisions are manual.

    No point using an SEO tool that provides the wrong information :-(

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      Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

      Concept sounds interesting especially if you allow the user to set the weights of each factor.

      The bacon list which makes me want a bacon sandwich, I love bacon :-) would be more useful with Google AdWords monthly traffic figures.

      Because all the current keyword research tools are shit I do my research manually, find the keywords with traffic using Google AdWords keyword planner and all other decisions are manual.

      No point using an SEO tool that provides the wrong information :-(

      David
      That's one of the reasons why I decided to develop one of my own, I think I can do it a thousand times better then all existing ones, even Moz (a multi million dollar company) can't come up with anything reliable, partly cause it's purely based on their own (far from complete) database of links and for the other part their heavily over weighting of domain authority. Yes I do believe that Amazon and other DA90+ sites have "some" advantage, but it's nowhere near some claim it to be.

      They just show up cause there's nothing better to serve, and if Google has to chose from the most irrelevant ones, heck why not chose the ones with the highest authority. Sure Google could fill the page with more relevant results but it also has to keep quality in mind, eg not showing sites from the year 1998 or some crappy shit.

      I have a pretty clear idea of how to determine competition but I also have certain ways of building sites.

      For example, despite the relative low competiton of "bacon health" you ain't gonna rank for it with a single page website or a single page on a website that covers tons of topics, you do have to have a site dedicated to that topic or at least dedicated to bacon, to compete on the first page.

      So for me the keyword competition could be as low as 20 percent, while for others it might be as high as 54 percent like Moz outlines as the competition relates very much to the type of site you plan to build.

      That PA27 or something page that showed up, shows up there cause it's a 1000+ site about bacon. A crappy EMD PA27 page most likely wouldn't rank there.

      So yeah the final competiton number / percentage relates very much to what you have to offer so maybe the software should have an option to select how many time / how much content you plan to spend on optimizing for the selected keyphrase.

      Most use the competition percentage to see how much link juice is needed to rank for such phrase, at least I'm often guilty of that while we all (should) know that it's more then just about links.

      Heck Ive had tons of clients that didn't rank anywhere and once they adjusted the site according to my recommendations they popped all of a sudden up in the top 3 out of literally nowhere.

      Maybe I should launch it with a disclaimer / site requirements.
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