taking the PBN inside

yukon

Banned 9 years ago

I think Google is smart enough to know a sub-domain requires a root domain.

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I think Google is smart enough to know a sub-domain requires a root domain.

Not sure what you're implying. Obv Google knows a sub-domain requires a domain - so what? I said I was gonna be open about my "inside" PBN. Just like other platforms. There's no secret here. No gaming the system. Just good content connected to other good content with a common bond.

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nik0

Banned 9 years ago

I had to read it twice and now I see what you're saying in regards to PBN.

Make it look like a free blog platform and you can link to any type of topic really.

Thing is that this is just one way of setting up a site and one link ain't gonna rank clients so from that point of view it's just another addition to sites setup in different ways that can link to any topic like:

- web directories
- local listing sites
- image sharing sites
- video sharing sites
- press release sites (looks a little better then article directory I suppose)
- online news sites
- bookmark sites

I just list these cause I got them all covered, but anyway, solid enough idea for another type of site to add to the arsenal.

Though same as with everything, don't overdo it, don't build a whole PBN like that, as there is obvious nothing natural about a site receiving only links from sub domains, besides that it's quite time intensive to setup a seperate sub domain for each client. Especially cause a sub domain is on it's own and thus it could quickly get flagged as a link from a weak domain. Which has proven to result in unnatural link notices.

To go on about unnatural link notices and why I advise againt people buying weakish domains (that are for sale all over the board lately) is the following:

- Two years ago I bought 200 brand new domains and categorized them in 40 niches
- 5 sites per niche that is and clients received links on 5 of such domains
- A number of clients received an unnatural link message in Google webmasters
- Back then Google showed some example links.

And guess what?

Not a single PR3/PR4 domain of mine ever showed up in these examples but on regular base those brand new weak domains DID show up. Less then a year later and after seeing my links appear in these unnatural link messages at least a dozen times I took this network down and let the domains expire.

It wasn't just a penalty for thin sites, most sites had gained 10+ posts at least, some way more, and all very relevant to each other so it wasn't that bad at all. It was just that it was published on very weak domains.

That makes me think unnatural link penalties aren't based on links on thin sites, but on sites that lack a certain amount of trust / authority.

It's just too much of an coincedence that my much worse setup PR3/PR4 domains linking out to 100's of completely different topics never ever appeared in those unnatural link notices and my much better setup, highly relevant weak domains did appear numerous times.

So be careful with that, one link from the root domain doesn't pass on all the authority to the sub domain, it's just 1 link, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm also busy with a case study as we speak, I bought 12 hyper relevant but weakish domains, after a few weeks all the links were placed and the ranking started to dwindle instead of improving, Ok this is not the best test as all the domains are registered the same day and hosted on the same IP, which obvious leaves a footprint (whether Google does something with that remains the question).

But it did fresh up my memory about this 200 site network from the past that resulted in people receiving unnatural link notices so I obviously cancelled the whole idea of adding it to my service as it seems more of a risk then a benefit and obvious we can't have that.

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PBMax 9 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

A number of clients received an unnatural link message in Google webmasters.

Wouldn't registering your PBN site with Google WMT or analytics be an invitation to Google to poke around? Seems like asking for trouble, but perhaps I'm wrong.
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- nik0 Banned 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by PBMax
  
  Wouldn't registering your PBN site with Google WMT or analytics be an invitation to Google to poke around? Seems like asking for trouble, but perhaps I'm wrong.
  
  Obvious I didn't register my PBN sites with Google WMT.
  
  The money sites that received links from that PBN received those messages.
  
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

That makes me think unnatural link penalties aren't based on links on thin sites, but on sites that lack a certain amount of trust / authority.

I'm sorry but your theories just get dumber and dumber. Now any blogger or site owner that legitimately links to you but doesn't have any authority themselves is an unnatural link.

That means all new sites give unnatural links because none of them have authority
Every single new blog is an unnatural link
Every site out there that has done no SEO and no one much has linked to is going to potentially give you an unnatural link

ON the flip side it would mean all you have to do to change an unnatural link to a natural one is point a PR4 or up link to it. Voila!! natural link no matter how crappy the page or site is. So silly.

Your "studies" are always so badly done. the last one was how you used a redirect on a penalized site to move you up two slots because you dind't know that penalized sites don't pass juice and actually quoted Cutts as backing you up when he never did.

Just junking up the board ...more than the newbies who always get blamed for that. Plus making up all kinds of things that suit you combating loss of sales to people who are building small PBNs instead of using your services.

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jinx1221

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Just junking up the board ...more than the newbies who always get blamed for that.

Exactly. I'd rather scroll down through the one sentence replies than go cross-eyed reading paragraph after paragraph of nothing but jibberjabber from Nik0.

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nik0

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by jinx1221

Exactly. I'd rather scroll down through the one sentence replies than go cross-eyed reading paragraph after paragraph of nothing but jibberjabber from Nik0.

Would like to see the color of your tongue after all the licking.

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jinx1221

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Would like to see the color of your tongue after all the licking.

Oh go recommend Sape links again and be done

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ill-works.html

All you do is bloat your ideas to 20 paragraph posts to make you look smart, as hopefully people will buy your services. I have nothing against sharing knowledge if it's helpful, actually that's what's good about the forum. You are in no way helpful at all and contributing to it's recent garbage. Peace out.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by jinx1221

Oh go recommend Sape links again and be done

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ill-works.html

WOAH.....Guy mixed sape links and his own network to a money site. What a silly move.
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nik0

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by jinx1221

Oh go recommend Sape links again and be done

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ill-works.html

All you do is bloat your ideas to 20 paragraph posts to make you look smart, as hopefully people will buy your services. I have nothing against sharing knowledge if it's helpful, actually that's what's good about the forum. You are in no way helpful at all and contributing to it's recent garbage. Peace out.

You should try to test some things yourself instead of complaining at others that do.

I have never seen you contribute anything at all, while I do contribute heaps of useful content based on facts and tests.

But hey keep on nagging pal, guess you have nothing better to do with your time anyway.

I can understand it though, must be tought times for you, finally finished with your tool and tons of people giving up on SEO and all the trust in PBN's lost. Ay ay ay.

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Would like to see the color of your tongue after all the licking.

Gross little fellow in Thailand. Doesn't do a thing to save that silly theory.
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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

It's not really a PBN (network), it's more like internal links.

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PBMax 9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

It's not really a PBN (network), it's more like internal links.

Exactly, I couldn't think of a better name at the time. It's internal linking on steroids.
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- Mike Anthony 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by PBMax
  
  Exactly, I couldn't think of a better name at the time. It's internal linking on steroids.
  
  Sorry it achieves nothing special .You will never create enough content to make anyone think that you are a blogging service and the over all link pattern you create will look as spammy as can be. You would be much better just staying withing a wide niche and doing a magazine style site withe different categories without the subdomains.
  
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hpasha

9 years ago

PBN have very strict rules of operations. You can't call it a a PBN hosting blogs as subdomains.

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SEO Power

9 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

If Blogger and Wordpress can do it big, I can do it small (and smart.)

site . com
industry1 . site . com
industry2 . site . com
industry3 . site . com
industry4 . site . com

Basically, subdomains simply acting like individual websites (which they are) but instead of trying to hide and ninja around Google, you straight up show that you're a blog hub (a la Blogger) and you (and your writers) are experts on everything.

Send links, shares and likes towards the (amazing) content you present across your subdomains and then use those sites to link out to your clients - hence, the inner PBN.

BONUS: Since you're not hiding AND providing great info, you can use each sub to link back to your main site (like Blogger, Wordpress, etc) and it's totally natural and legit.

BONUS 2: You can use your main site to link to your subs because, again...natural.

BONUS 3: If you scoop up a solid high DA domain name with great existing backlinks in place, then you're ahead of the game from the jump.

You can do this to be broad across multiple niches OR laser focus this domain/sub-domain network towards one niche, broken down into sub-niches across the subs.

Whaddya think?

There's no way that is going to be effective because you are using subdomains and each subdomain is treated like a new site with no authority. Even if you send links to them, they will all be new links and so won't transfer the kind of link juice that aged links would.