Keyword in domain : I mean EMD:

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While domain names aren't that risky in themselves, domain names with keywords in might be. Consider the anchor text linking issue: if we repeatedly link to that domain, Google might see that as anchor text manipulation. If you do use an exact match domain, make sure it has plenty of great content on it, otherwise Google will assume you're trying to fool people into clicking.
what you said about this confusion
because I see all the EMD ranking high on search engines. I can give you thousand examples for this. Google it seems does not have a standard way of assessing the websites so that webmaster remain confused.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    For me EMD still plays an important role when you try to rank for any keyword. For a strong keyword, it's important and it can give you a boost for an EXACT search... While for a secondary keyword, you don't need the EXACT search as it could be long... Better stick with MAX 3-4 words in the title and try to make them readable!
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    • Profile picture of the author khansaccounts
      Yes Patco EMD works better for Micro Niche Sites and its still working with Google but self branding is more powerful if you go to develop with strong working on keyword research you can beat any keyword by high backlinking either you follow emd or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    So you think Google might have a problem with amazon.com because it's an exact match for Amazon?

    Or do you think Google makes exceptions for brands?

    So much SEO misinformation on forums.

    There is nothing intrinsically wrong with having a keyword in a domain name. There's no downgrade, in fact there is a small boost when Google can parse the keyword: that means either one word domains (seo.tld, money.tld...) or hyphenated (seo-tutorial.tld, online-money.tld...).

    Keyword in domain (and URL: filename) is a ranking factor.

    There is no ranking value ina domain like seotutorial.tld, onlinemoney.tld unless seotutorial and onlinemoney (without a space) are SERPs. Has to be one word or the words separated by hyphens: Google treats a - as a word separator. Matt Cutts has a video on this explaining why hyphens are word separators and underscores aren't.

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author Afiqfikri Daud
    I would prefer recommends you to build your own brand. - not solely rely on EMD

    What makes website ranking higher than the other are:
    - great quality content
    - high quality backlinks

    You need to have 1 mindset = create better website for the users, not for the sake of SEO

    hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Evans
    If you are going for EMD, Keep in mind that do not work for the same anchor text (keyword used in Domain). The work on same anchor text will ruin whole the website. Don't forget about the SEO, which is seriously important. Go for long tail keywords related to your services and the quality content plus highly authoritative back-links to your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author larrypaul
    EMD has been banned by Google and those following the EMD Concept google bannes those site and penalizes the entire domain..
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by larrypaul View Post

      EMD has been banned by Google and those following the EMD Concept google bannes those site and penalizes the entire domain..
      ROTFLMAO! Thank you India!

      Google never said anything about anchor text.....except for anchor text
      in forum sig links! Now aint that too funny? So if you see anyone with
      a link in their sig that is silly-optimized, well, what does that tell you?
      Oh, they probably think nofollow means not seen....sure. Actually,
      nofollow signals untrusted spam...so what does that tell you about
      folks with untrusted spam links in their sig? B I N G O!

      In the end, an EMD does not matter, either way. Never did, in my book. Look me
      up. I've been preaching against EMD-snake oil for years.

      BUT...that does not mean to not use an EMD. Never said that either.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author khansaccounts
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        ROTFLMAO! Thank you India!

        Google never said anything about anchor text.....except for anchor text
        in forum sig links! Now aint that too funny? So if you see anyone with
        a link in their sig that is silly-optimized, well, what does that tell you?
        Oh, they probably think nofollow means not seen....sure. Actually,
        nofollow signals untrusted spam...so what does that tell you about
        folks with untrusted spam links in their sig? B I N G O!

        In the end, an EMD does not matter, either way. Never did, in my book. Look me
        up. I've been preaching against EMD-snake oil for years.

        BUT...that does not mean to not use an EMD. Never said that either.

        Paul
        Totally Agreed with you paul
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    The SEO misinformation is terrible.

    There's a tool called Google which you can use to search for stuff.

    Go search for stuff and you'll find exact match domains throughout the SERPs.

    How can there be so many exact match domains ranking if Google downgrades/bans EMDs?

    A few of my own EMDs ranking top 10 for the EMD.

    Stallion Theme
    Classic Literature
    BDSM Lingerie

    Come on people, use your commonsense.

    David
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by DigitalSuccessAgency View Post

      Yes, I agree with SEO Dave that yes in Google search result still EMD's are ranking well. Just you need to take care that if your domain are Exact match domain and you are promoting that keyword then that can be dangerous also. It is important to take care while doing the promotion of the website.
      What do you mean by take care?

      I have an exact match domain for the SERP Classic Literature, owned the domain since Feb 2004 and not really touched it since about 2006 (using really old SEO techniques, has need a revamp for over half a decade!).

      Every page on the site including half a dozen sub-domains (over 30,000 indexed pages in Google) link to the home page with anchor text Classic Literature Library (ranks number 1 in Google). Have other literature sites with the same link and anchor text, so has a lot of links with anchor text Classic Literature (added when all you needed was exact match anchor text for a SERP).

      Google doesn't treat EMDs per se any different to any other domain.

      How is Google to know a domain is exact match?

      grenill.tld
      partnhty.tld
      sexy-pants.tld
      gripty-yuing.tld

      All 4 domains match a SERP (grenill, partnhty and gripty yuing could be brand names), but a lot of webmasters will only consider sexy-pants.tld as an EMD.

      For this to be the case Google would have to have a database of all words and all brand names to add a meteric into the algo. Not saying Google couldn't do this, but why would they?

      The domain name is one metric of at least 200 ranking factors, when lots of blackhat SEO's started to use hyphenated EMDs the easy solution was reduce how much SEO benefit the URL passed. For the sake of argument if the domain could account for 10% of a SERP, today it could be 1%.

      There is no reason for Google to generate an over the top solution when webmasters discover a way to game Google, all they have to do is change how much value a metric passes or how the metric works.

      When PageRank sculpting using nofollow became a problem, Google changed how nofollow worked: the link benefit went from being available to the dofollow links to the nofollow link benefit is lost! This solved the issue of aggressively protecting PR through nofollow overnight and hurts blackhat SEO's who use nofollow for PageRank sculpting: problem solved.

      When lots of backlinks with exact match anchor text became a problem, Google changed the algo so other metrics were more important devaluing exact match anchor text.

      Webmasters see a change in the algo, my EMD dropped from page one to page 3 and wrongly conclude Google bans EMD's, don't use EMD's anymore!!!!!

      David
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    Congratulations.

    A wall of text for something that doesn't even matter for SEO.

    Turn off Dragon Naturally Speaking.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Congratulations.

      A wall of text for something that doesn't even matter for SEO.

      Turn off Dragon Naturally Speaking.
      Well done Yukon, again showing your lack of SEO knowledge. Domain name is an SEO ranking factor, so is important.

      My name is Yukon, although there are over 200 ranking factors, I only use three of them, the rest doesn't matter.

      Do you ever do any SEO research or just spend your time posting the same basic out of data information thousands of times?

      David
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

        Well done Yukon, again showing your lack of SEO knowledge. Domain name is an SEO ranking factor, so is important.

        My name is Yukon, although there are over 200 ranking factors, I only use three of them, the rest doesn't matter.

        Do you ever do any SEO research or just spend your time posting the same basic out of data information thousands of times?

        David
        Lol, so your SEO is buying an EMD (figures).

        Keep up the good work.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Lol, so your SEO is buying an EMD (figures).

          Keep up the good work.
          Where did I say that I only buy EMD's?

          Most of my 130ish domains are not EMD's.

          Domain name is ONE factor, only covers one or a small number of SERPs. If I can find a hyphenated EMD I like I'll buy that over a random domain name, but I've bought loads of domain names which have no domain name SEO value.

          Figures you understand SEO so little, you concentrate on a small number of factors you understand and forget about the rest. I bet you only know how to do SEO on static HTML pages, I started that way over a decade ago :-)

          Real SEO experts try to cover as many ranking factors as possible, domain name is a small factor if I can have domain name SEO benefit I'm taking it.

          BTW you ever heard of speed typing, some people can type fast. Another skill I have you lack apparently, I don't need speech to text software, can type fast.

          David
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

            Domain name is ONE factor, only covers one or a small number of SERPs.
            Your EMDs aren't ranking because they're EMDs.

            Wake up it's not 2004.
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            • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Your EMDs aren't ranking because they're EMDs.

              Wake up it's not 2004.
              Which EMD's aren't ranking because they are EMD's?

              Here's a few of mine

              stallion-theme.co.uk : number 1 for Stallion Theme
              classic-literature.co.uk : number 3 for Classic Literature
              free-funny-jokes.com : outside top 10 for Free Funny Jokes, ranks for thousands of Funny Jokes SERPs

              Three successful websites on EMD's. There are milions of successful EMD's in Google.

              Domain name is one of many factors, having a domain like competitive-phrase.tld will not gain the Competitive Phrase without other more important SEO factors.

              I'm saying what most reputable SEO experts are saying, EMD is a positive ranking factor, but it's a small factor.
              Yukon is saying EMD is a negative SEO factor, once again Yukon proved wrong.

              Yukon you should spend more time out of this forum in the real world, this is the sort of SEO myth forums generate all the time. Go do some real research.

              Each time you try to argue you know more than me you make a fool of yourself.

              David
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    BTW Yukon love the new sig, any chance of changing it to

    Domain name is an SEO ranking factor, so is important. - SEO Dave

    Then others will know you are quoting me, there's lots of Dave's around. I used to have a group of about 5 friends and three of them were called David (4 of us :-)).

    David
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

      BTW Yukon love the new sig, any chance of changing it to

      Domain name is an SEO ranking factor, so is important. - SEO Dave

      Then others will know you are quoting me, there's lots of Dave's around. I used to have a group of about 5 friends and three of them were called David (4 of us :-)).

      David
      I'm sure there's no confusion, there's only one Dave when it comes to SEO LOLs.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlackWoods
    Personally I don't think EMD is "banned", "downgrade", "blacklist" by Google or anything.
    It all come down to what you do with your EMD.
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    • Profile picture of the author khansaccounts
      Originally Posted by BlackWoods View Post

      Personally I don't think EMD is "banned", "downgrade", "blacklist" by Google or anything.
      It all come down to what you do with your EMD.
      dear Blackwood EMD is not totally banned
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  • Profile picture of the author Djeims
    EMDs will not on the top results forever. If you want to risk go for EMD domain but avoid them for long-term strategy.
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