Different Way Of Setting Up a Private Blog Network - This Is How I Do It Now!

by nik0 Banned
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I actually do it in three different ways now, perhaps it can inspire some others:

Method 1 - Let's call it grey hat:

Sites that host a whole range of topics.

Theme: Any random theme cleared of footer, author, category links

Site structure:
  • Static Homepage
  • Date archives structure using excerpts (to not show the link on archive level)
  • Post level is where the link to the money site shows

Safe for: Googles Algorithm

Not safe for: Manual reviewers, unless they are sleeping / don't care much about their job.


Method 2 - Let's call this grey/white hat:

Sites that host a whole range of topics

Themes:
  • Web directory theme
  • Bookmark theme
  • Newspaper style theme
  • Press Release theme
  • Video sharing theme
  • Image sharing theme
  • Local Listing theme

For these type of sites it's only natural to host a wide range of topics.

Site structure:
  • Featured posts on homepage
  • Category structure using excerpts
  • Post level is where the link to the money site shows

Safe for Googles algorithm

Could be safe for manual reviewers, though this is very dependant on how you dress up the site so to say, think of:
  • Contact / About Us / TOS / Privacy pages
  • Use non commercial anchor text's (instead use brand / generic / image links)
  • Multi layer category system
  • Custom headers / logo / banner
  • Add a blog or news section
  • In other words mimic existing sites
  • Proper / generic domain name, eg not plumbersincalifornia.com


Method 3 - Let's call this white hat:

Disclaimer:

Building links is obvious never whitehat, especially not when repurposing high PR domains but it gets as close as it can get, that being said:

Sites that host multiple topics in the same (somewhat broad) niche.

Theme: Any theme can do really.

Site structure:
  • Homepage: Doesn't matter really, just don't link with obvious anchors from there
  • Category: Can show full content or excerpts, doesn't matter
  • Post: Link only from some of the posts

These sites we keep niche relevant, eg we build a site about local contractors and add multiple categories like:
  • Electricians
  • Plumbers
  • Roofers
  • Landscapers

Each category receives 4+ posts, dedicated to the site we want to rank.

To increase the relevancy even more we can use dynamic widgets to only show recent posts from that category.

You can also interlink the posts to funnel the juice as efficiently as possible.

As for linking out: I only link from 1 of the 4 posts or in case I have more posts maybe from 2 out of 6 posts.

Because the site is completely relevant and only few posts contain a link this site can look just as real as any other site, and cause there are multiple pages it's very likely the site actually starts to rank for keywords the posts might be optimized for and receives traffic.

Cheer this site up with a custom header, logo, favicon, perhaps even banners in the sidebar that you can link out from as it's unnatural for a banner NOT to link out to somewhere.

Heck you can even attach a shop part to the site depending on the niche and monetize it, add custom quote forms for contractor sites, a street map, phone number, what not.

I can show you some sites right now that you would never suspect of being a PBN site, so real they look and there is nothing but the backlink profile of the domain that reveals it's not as it looks like.

The only thing you have to watch out for are outbound link footprints, eg doing this for a number of sites and linking out to the same money sites from each site but imagine everyone would do it like this then link trading with people in your niche becomes very interesting and completely undetectable.

You know of any networks that only allow 1 link per 4 posts? I don't

Yes it's an investment, but if you spend $200+ on a strong domain then $20-$40 for content is really not much for a link that will last a life time.

Hope it inspires you to take your PBN to the next level, now I'm back to work as I have another 400 domains to prepare :S

ps: Avoid SEO or reseller hostings with multiple IP's at all costs obviously, instead go for either shared, cloud, VPS or Dedicated hosting.
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    In addition to that, keep your PBN private at all time , never reveal to anyone else. If you did that, it's no longer a Private Blog Network , that Public Blog Network already.
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  • Profile picture of the author paivadaniel
    I'm see that you use excerpts in the home in method 1 and method 2, but by this way you are hiding the links of the homepage. This works well to you?

    Another question, how many outbound links you use in the maximum for each PBN site? I use 20 in content, none in sidebar, or in some cases 15 in content, 5 in sidebar.

    I always do a planning of the posts in a spreed sheet before start to building for each PBN site, with date of posting, where goes the links and type of link (post/sidebar).

    DATE / PBN / OUTBOUND LINK / POSITION OF THE LINK
    28/11/2014 / PBN SITE A / random post with 1 link to a relevant site / post
    03/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site A / post
    03/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site A / sidebar
    05/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / random post without links / post
    08/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site B / post
    08/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site B / sidebar
    10/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / random post with 1 link to a relevant site / post
    13/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site C / post
    13/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site C / sidebar
    15/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / random post without links / post
    18/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site D / post
    18/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site D / sidebar
    20/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / random post with 1 link to a relevant site / post
    23/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site E / post
    23/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site E / sidebar
    27/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site F / post
    31/12/2014 / PBN SITE A / money site F / post
    02/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / random post without links / post
    04/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / money site G / post
    04/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / money site G / post
    08/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / random post with 1 link to a relevant site / post
    10/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / money site H / sidebar
    10/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / money site H / post
    12/01/2015 / PBN SITE A / random post with 1 link to a relevant site / post

    What do you think about it?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by paivadaniel View Post

      I'm see that you use excerpts in the home in method 1 and method 2, but by this way you are hiding the links of the homepage. This works well to you?

      Another question, how many outbound links you use in the maximum for each PBN site? I use 20 in content, none in sidebar, or in some cases 15 in content, 5 in sidebar.

      I always do a planning of the posts in a spreed sheet before start to building for each PBN site, with date of posting, where goes the links and type of link (post/sidebar).
      Well this is what happened but let me first say that pre-penguin 3.0 I had 900 pageviews a day combined:

      - 17 Oct Penguin 3.0 launched, most of my affiliate sites tanked
      - 25 Oct I adjusted the whole network to use excerpts
      - 27 Nov Penguin 3.0 refreshes or Penguin 3.1 update
      - Most of my affiliate sites recovered

      Now they bring in a combined 1750 pageviews/day, so that was one heck of a recovery while the links should in fact be weaker now as they are more far from the homepage which has all the juice.

      So overall I'd say yeah it works out pretty well, maybe there was already some other footprint that the regular algorithm picks up that now disappeared and that that caused the increase in traffic, who shall say.


      The network explained in method 1 doesn't have outbound links in the sidebar, there are only links on post level present, some sites have a few dozen posts, others have hundreds of posts. There's no max as it's a budget service so slowly posts end up deeper and deeper on the site and thus they should lose strength over time. I mostly set amount of posts per page between 10 and 20.

      For network one and two I don't keep track of things though I do keep reports in each client / or my own site folder in case I ever need to remove them or something.

      For network three I do keep track of everything with an Excel sheet, though most domains only link out to 1 or 2 websites so it's not so hard to keep track of things.

      As for your schedule, I wouldn't link each money site in a post and from the sidebar, looks quite fabricated of course.

      When you setup a 2nd PBN site do you start with money site J? Or do you keep repeating Site A-H again? You have to be real careful with that, I've seen tons of such networks deindexed. It's very easy for Google to detect. I have one of such networks that I'm busy with taking down while I'm writing this post.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        How this relates in terms of linking to a money site, maybe useful:

        - Method 1: I only use this network for affiliate sites of mine to test how profitable a new niche is, kind of low quality stuff so to say, and I have one huge low budget client that buys a ton of links here so I keep it as I make good money from it, and he seems happy with it.

        - Method 2: Money sites receive links from max 10 of such domains

        - Method 3: Basically I add about 5-8 domains to each money site.

        That's enough to rank most niches.

        I do have to add that I don't buy cheap expired domains, all the domains have real strength and are in the PR3-PR4 range with a solid backlink profile.

        I either do 4 PR3's and 1 PR4, or 6 PR3's and 2 PR4's, depending on what's needed or how much the client pays me. That's quite an investment though as most PR4's cost me around $200-$250 and the PR3's are mostly in the range of $50-$100 so costs add up quickly but they push some real power so you don't need tons of them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          I do have to add that I don't buy cheap expired domains, all the domains have real strength and are in the PR3-PR4 range
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          Its a now well known fact that google will no longer be updating PR. Pagerank is a thing of the past for everyone outside of Google offices. Those still caught in the past are spending extra cash for a metric that is over a year out of date. Some of the best deals out there do not have pagerank at all (pretty common since most sites are taken offline before they expire and once there is no site the PR goes to N/A.)

          So you can waste your money but theres no reason for everyone to do so.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Its a now well known fact that google will no longer be updating PR. Pagerank is a thing of the past. Those still caught in the past are spending extra cash for a metric that is over a year out of date. Some of the best deals out there do not have pagerank at all (pretty common since most sites are taken offline before they expire and once there is no site the PR goes to N/A.)

            So you can waste your money but theres no reason for everyone to do so.
            I still find PR (though a year out dated) way more reliable then any of the other metrics so it's still a good starting point before looking at the actual links and my broker doesn't charge too much, in fact he lowered his prices a bit and the backlink profiles look more impressive.

            I compared them to his PR4's that are 4-5 times more expensive and the backlink profiles don't look much more impressive so it's not worth it paying $200-$250 for them these days, most in fact look more like PR3's. Luckily I still had a ton of PR4's which are being repurposed now.

            Nice find that DomCop btw, thanks for that, those Indians rock lately, I have a few projects in development with an Indian company as well, never expected they'd be so professional.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Nice find that DomCop btw, thanks for that, those Indians rock lately, I have a few projects in development with an Indian company as well, never expected they'd be so professional.
              Did not know you had got the tip since you CLAIMED to not be reading me any longer

              Good for you that you are still learning from me

              Indian Programmers are the best. completely opposite to Indian SEO. I have a number of projects with them and one US based (Jinx here at WF - he has a PBN manager that is coming along nicely).

              Since you claim PR is so reliable than any other metric maybe you want to grab this one up.

              literatibycredo.com

              As a matter of fact pagerank was always the worse metric to find good deals for the reason I listed before..
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      • Profile picture of the author paivadaniel
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        So overall I'd say yeah it works out pretty well, maybe there was already some other footprint that the regular algorithm picks up that now disappeared and that that caused the increase in traffic, who shall say.

        When you setup a 2nd PBN site do you start with money site J? Or do you keep repeating Site A-H again? You have to be real careful with that, I've seen tons of such networks deindexed. It's very easy for Google to detect. I have one of such networks that I'm busy with taking down while I'm writing this post.
        To put the excerpts you just change the theme of the PBN sites? Did you see an even worst fall in the beginning, after did that?

        Do you use just wordpress in your PBN? I´m looking for another plataform, like drupal, joomla, but have to be practical and easy as wordpress. Do you recommend another plataform?

        I didnt follow a pattern for example money site A - money site H for the PBN postings, I work extending the dates that the same money site gets links, I always keep at least 5-7 days to a money site receive links from PBN, and the same period to the PBN sites produce links to my money sites.

        Man, until yesterday, I have 3 money sites that was penalized, and its very funny because in a hour they figure in the #1 page, another hour they figure in #8 page, and continues alternating all day, this happens just for the sites that was penalized. This happened to you too?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by paivadaniel View Post

          To put the excerpts you just change the theme of the PBN sites? Did you see an even worst fall in the beginning, after did that?

          Do you use just wordpress in your PBN? I´m looking for another plataform, like drupal, joomla, but have to be practical and easy as wordpress. Do you recommend another plataform?

          I didnt follow a pattern for example money site A - money site H for the PBN postings, I work extending the dates that the same money site gets links, I always keep at least 5-7 days to a money site receive links from PBN, and the same period to the PBN sites produce links to my money sites.

          Man, until yesterday, I have 3 money sites that was penalized, and its very funny because in a hour they figure in the #1 page, another hour they figure in #8 page, and continues alternating all day, this happens just for the sites that was penalized. This happened to you too?
          I adjusted the themes, it's quite easy, just go to Appearances --> Editor, and find a file named something like archive.php / category.php or content.php, then use the search function in your browser and search for: the_content, replace the_content with the_excerpt and job is done.

          I tried 7 different platforms and find them a hell to work with, most are also much more sensitive to updates, eg php versions need to be updated or your whole site breaks, had that numerous times. Other CMS's also seem to be much more vunerable for hacking attempts. Now I'm back to only using WP again as I reduced the number of domains I need to rank hugely so there's no need for other CMS's anymore.

          Obvious it would be nice to have all different platforms but when you look at all the work involved, heck to even change a simple widget in a sidebar you often need to dive into the code to get it changed, not very user friendly.

          I don't really look at dates of posting to be honest, I do spread it out a bit but don't give that too much attention as I never saw any evidence or signals that it didn't work cause of that.

          Right now like I said we do 10 diverse links and 5 dedicated domains, the first 3 domains were setup a few weeks ago, the other one is being setup this week, and the last one next week but that's just cause of the bulk of work we are processing now. The 10 diverse links were build quite some time ago already and all placed the same day. We never experienced any problems with that.

          I see a LOT of movement right now, it's real crazy, though most of the movement is upwards so I'm pretty satisfied so far.
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          • Profile picture of the author paivadaniel
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I adjusted the themes, it's quite easy, just go to Appearances --> Editor, and find a file named something like archive.php / category.php or content.php, then use the search function in your browser and search for: the_content, replace the_content with the_excerpt and job is done.
            Tks.

            Did you see an even worst fall in the beginning, after did that?

            another question, did you use the same PBN site to post 2 articles for the same money site?

            For example in day 1 I write an article and put 2 links to site A, in the day 20 I write another article and put 1 link again to the site A. According to Alex Becker, a good number of outbound links of a PBN site to the same money site is 3, more than that loses efficiency. What do you say about that?
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by paivadaniel View Post

              Tks.

              Did you see an even worst fall in the beginning, after did that?

              another question, did you use the same PBN site to post 2 articles for the same money site?

              For example in day 1 I write an article and put 2 links to site A, in the day 20 I write another article and put 1 link again to the site A. According to Alex Becker, a good number of outbound links of a PBN site to the same money site is 3, more than that loses efficiency. What do you say about that?
              Sorry missed that question.

              No I didn't see a worst fall in the beginning, few reasons for that:

              1) Most of my affiliate sites were tanked already due to Penguin 3.0 and we changed the network right after that.

              2) I don't keep track of the rankings of my one time clients, and the network was mostly used for them.

              Ok half of the links to my monthly clients also came from that network but half of them tanked as well , the ones that didn't tank seemed to remain stable though.

              After all the adjustments about 60 percent of the clients recovered and most are ranking better then ever, the other 40 percent has tons of links from elsewhere that I didn't build so can't do much about that besides taking the other network down where we left huge OBL footprints and then I expect a decent percentage of them to recover as well.

              I have no direct experience in what amount of links is most efficient per linking domain. I did hear a story from someone that kept on adding links forever, and he said he was able to rank for different / new pages each time but I can't confirm that as I never saw his sites or kept track of it.

              Maybe the fact that he linked to different pages each time helped?
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              • Profile picture of the author paivadaniel
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Maybe the fact that he linked to different pages each time helped?
                For sure in my opinion.

                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                No I didn't see a worst fall in the beginning,
                I will try it.

                tks.

                I sent to you a pm about one of my PBN sites for have your opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by paivadaniel View Post

          Man, until yesterday, I have 3 money sites that was penalized, and its very funny because in a hour they figure in the #1 page, another hour they figure in #8 page, and continues alternating all day, this happens just for the sites that was penalized. This happened to you too?
          Daniel you might have something else going on. Penalties do not generally leave you on the first page. much less alternating with the first spot.
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    I try to build them real and then everything seems to work better.

    Nice to see others that do the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


    You know of any networks that only allow 1 link per 4 posts? I don't

    I do. Pretty common for TRULY private networks. Most of the PBNs I build for people end up having very few links - some 2 links or less on a PAGE. When its a truly private network there is no reason to stick a lot of links on a page.

    Plus for people who cannot afford to buy PR4s and up ...they can get nearly the same amount of juice to their home page as they would with a service provider because they are not sharing the page with all the other customers of the PBN service
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I do. Pretty common for TRULY private networks. Most of the PBNs I build for people end up having very few links - some 2 links or less on a PAGE. When its a truly private network there is no reason to stick a lot of links on a page.

      Plus for people who cannot afford to buy PR4s and up ...they can get nearly the same amount of juice to their home page as they would with a service provider because they are not sharing the page with all the other customers of the PBN service
      I removed you from ignore cause I was curious what you had to say.

      I changed my service completely btw, we don't use the PR3-PR4 network in our monthly service anymore, though it's still used as I have one huge client there that places tons of orders so I keep it available just for him and to test some niches for myself. I also cancelled the 5 OBL network.

      Now the service mainly consists of PR3-PR4 domains dedicated to clients, the service fee is kind of changed to rent, as an extra we do some posts at my diverse networks but not more then a dozen, it's good for some additional anchor diversity as we only use generic / brand anchors there from now on.

      I'm thinking to start renting out PR3 domains as well, where people can rent as little as 1 domain, we do the setup and take care of content + hosting, completely hands free, people can expand when they need more strength and perhaps we add a buy now function after x months, though I'm not so sure about that as I want to build each site out, eg if a client cancels the rent we remove the links but not the content, that way we get sites full of content with even fewer outbound links.

      Great concept for me, and great for clients as well that look for a totally hands free solution without having to worry about anything like most of my clients appreciate as they are service providers their selves and can't be bothered with all the details, they just want something that works.

      Received positive responses from my largest clients after I showed them some sites that I already transformed so I'm pretty excited about it.

      A bit less excited about turning 400+ sites into real sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I'm thinking to start renting out PR3 domains as well
        You've been essentially renting links for some time which is why you have had so many domains deindexed. rental services are not the way to go either for the seller and certainly not the buyers who Google now deindexes along with the rental network domains. I am surprised you have not learnt that lesson yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          You've been essentially renting links for some time which is why you have had so many domains deindexed. rental services are not the way to go either for the seller and certainly not the buyers who Google now deindexes along with the rental network domains. I am surprised you have not learnt that lesson yet.
          Lol you never stop with your pathetic rants do you?

          Spreading false information as usual so let me say it once again:

          'Back then we had a number of domains deindex cause they were still hosted at SEO hosts, and they were the weakest of all so we didn't give them much priority to get moved"

          Had nothing to do with renting out links.

          Back on ignore again as I really don't want to waste any time on all this nonsense that is coming through your mouth.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Had nothing to do with renting out links.

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            Sigh.....Yes Nik0 Google does not go after networks that rent links to the public. ALL the major deindexings have been publicly rented networks but it has nothing to do with it.

            Yes please I liked you better ignoring me (as if you really ever do). Less incredible fabrications to respond back and forth to.
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  • Profile picture of the author paivadaniel
    I have sure that is a penalty, because occurred in 17 october, same time for 3 sites, all the pages fall, one site have 40 pages, all fall, but for many kw I was the #1 result, and with the penalty I went to #8, #10, the kws that I was #50-70 just disappeared.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Thre was an algo change on that date. Generally you can recover from those the next Penguin update. Actual penalties are something else
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  • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
    I'm not a big fan of blog networks, I really don't see the point in spending money to keep them going at a risk. If your blog network gets took down, your whole business goes at the same time.

    It's like putting all your eggs in one basket. To me , the risk isn't worth the money or time.

    I would hate to risk my business using a blog network, having to wake up every morning worried in case my business goes down the pan.

    Fair play to you all who use them and are seeing success but it's just time till Google finds your network and take you down and then your back to the drawing board.

    All said with full respect to each and everyone's business strategies.

    I'm seeing some good success with white hat SEO and using guest blogging as my main link building strategy.

    Regards
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

      I'm not a big fan of blog networks, I really don't see the point in spending money to keep them going at a risk. If your blog network gets took down, your whole business goes at the same time.

      It's like putting all your eggs in one basket. To me , the risk isn't worth the money or time.

      I would hate to risk my business using a blog network, having to wake up every morning worried in case my business goes down the pan.

      Fair play to you all who use them and are seeing success but it's just time till Google finds your network and take you down and then your back to the drawing board.

      All said with full respect to each and everyone's business strategies.

      I'm seeing some good success with white hat SEO and using guest blogging as my main link building strategy.

      Regards
      Larry
      I'm not a big fan of guest blogging, I really don't see the point in spending the time to outreach to potential link partners. If your unsuccessfully able to convince enough webmasters to link to you, your business never gets off the ground.

      It's like putting all your eggs in one basket. To me, the risk isn't worth the money or time.

      I would hate to risk my business using guest blogging, having to wake up every morning worried in case my business goes down the pan.

      Fair play to you all who use it and are seeing success but it's just time till Google cracks down harder on guest blogging and takes you down and then your back to the drawing board.

      All said with full respect to each and everyone's business strategies.

      I'm seeing some good success with private networks as my main link building strategy.

      Regards,
      Mike


      Not much different really.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post


      I'm seeing some good success with white hat SEO and using guest blogging as my main link building strategy.

      Regards
      Larry
      You might have gotten away with the whole PBN thing is dangerous (at least to the newbies) but wups had to go talking about guest blogging as an alternative

      https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/guest-blogging/

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      • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You might have gotten away with the whole PBN thing is dangerous (at least to the newbies) but wups had to go talking about guest blogging as an alternative

        https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/guest-blogging/

        5 SEO Techniques You Should Stop Using Immediately
        I totally agree, people should stop "guest blogging" on "spamed" sites. Most people are too lazy to either sit and write an article which provides some value too.

        Most people look for the easiest sites to target for guest blogging too. You should be targeting big sites with good authority.

        Notice, Matt Cutts talks about "spam" a lot, and low quality content. If your putting out good high quality, unique and engaging content on top quality sites, you don't have anything to worry about from guest blogging.

        If your sitting spinning content then there is no wonder people are being penalized, they are asking for trouble.

        Iv not been hit yet and Iv been using guest blogging since I started online. In fact, it's the method Iv used to rank a number of websites with no problems.

        Some people wont agree with me and to be honest I don't even care because it works for me. We all do what we think works.

        I don't agree with people who say guest blogging dead and all that, it's just rubbish.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

          I totally agree, people should stop "guest blogging" on "spamed" sites. Most people are too lazy to either sit and write an article which provides some value too.

          Most people look for the easiest sites to target for guest blogging too. You should be targeting big sites with good authority.

          Notice, Matt Cutts talks about "spam" a lot, and low quality content. If your putting out good high quality, unique and engaging content on top quality sites, you don't have anything to worry about from guest blogging.

          If your sitting spinning content then there is no wonder people are being penalized, they are asking for trouble.

          Iv not been hit yet and Iv been using guest blogging since I started online. In fact, it's the method Iv used to rank a number of websites with no problems.

          Some people wont agree with me and to be honest I don't even care because it works for me. We all do what we think works.

          I don't agree with people who say guest blogging dead and all that, it's just rubbish.
          I realize that the network described in method 1 might not last forever, and I'm also a little doubtful about method 2 though I think that can last a lot longer and while it lasts we all can make a decent chunk of money.

          Especially now that Penguin refreshes on a month to month base the risk is really worth it.

          As for a business depending solely on SEO, well that's never the best thing in the world of course, why would a real business just rely on that? What happened with PPC, Email, Newsletters, Advertorials and what not? Instead of reaching out to achieve links your team could start to cold call potential customers.

          Back to the networks, I think the network described in method 3 can survive for a very long time, as we keep building them out, with few links, heck I will even start to monetize them at some point making them look even more legit, at some point it will be very hard for a manual reviewer to say this is a PBN site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

          If your putting out good high quality, unique and engaging content on top quality sites, you don't have anything to worry about from guest blogging.
          Same could be said for PBNs which makes your earlier rant against them pretty ridiculous
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    do this, build 300 guest posting as is White Hat, and see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author PBMax
    I'm a PBN novice (yes, I accept this moniker) so what I'm doing is putting a variety of sites (blogs, Q&A, one-pagers, etc) on simmer and letting them marinate. I build them, vary the styles, post content...and cook.

    In 6 months or so, I bet the CF, TF and DA rise to a decent (link-to-client) level.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

      I'm a PBN novice (yes, I accept this moniker) so what I'm doing is putting a variety of sites (blogs, Q&A, one-pagers, etc) on simmer and letting them marinate. I build them, vary the styles, post content...and cook.

      In 6 months or so, I bet the CF, TF and DA rise to a decent (link-to-client) level.
      So you are just letting them sit and you think that will build up their authority in 6 months?

      Or you are doing something else with them?

      Personally, I have never seen a reason to wait when building links.
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      • Profile picture of the author PBMax
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        So you are just letting them sit and you think that will build up their authority in 6 months?

        Or you are doing something else with them?

        Personally, I have never seen a reason to wait when building links.
        I'm slowly building links here and there. Doing some blog commenting on targeted sites to drive a little traffic. I'm allowing these sites to age like a fine wine. THEN I will shoot out a link or two to clients.

        Right now, it would be sending PR2, low authority links to my clients. Why do that instead of using someone else's PBN currently?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

          I'm allowing these sites to age like a fine wine. THEN I will shoot out a link or two to clients.
          In another post you said you had learned nothing from me so all I will say to you is.....

          It shows.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        So you are just letting them sit and you think that will build up their authority in 6 months?.

        Tomorrow I am going to buy some domains and find a good spot in the wine cellar for them. I thought domains lost links over time but now that I know they age like wine that changes everything
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        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Tomorrow I am going to buy some domains and find a good spot in the wine cellar for them. I thought domains lost links over time but now that I know they age like wine that changes everything
          LOL. I know it sounds weird. I'm not NOT doing anything with them, I'm just NOT linking to clients yet. I'm curating these sites. I guess I'm to assume you think links should be placed during the construction phase.

          Perhaps so. Perhaps not. I'll see where this experiment takes me. I'm not relying on it for my rankings yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            guess I'm to assume you think links should be placed during the construction phase.
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            No...no...nowadays I pretty much respond to what you say for my own entertainment. I don't think you should do anything in particular.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            LOL. I know it sounds weird. I'm not NOT doing anything with them, I'm just NOT linking to clients yet. I'm curating these sites. I guess I'm to assume you think links should be placed during the construction phase.

            Perhaps so. Perhaps not. I'll see where this experiment takes me. I'm not relying on it for my rankings yet.
            Your domains only become weaker and more spammy, most blog comments are nofollow so that's one huge waste of time.

            I bought 100 PR3 domains about 2 years ago, that is 2 years of aging right?

            The majority is PR1-PR2 now and some as low as PR0, yep I put the lifecycle of a PR3 domain at 2 years, a PR4 domain at 3 years. Every year I assume the domain will lose 1 PR point due to lost links, that's all calculated in my expenses.

            With the new network I will do it differently though as we spend so much time on that we can't let them become weaker over time, so for that we setup high PR domains in the backend to pass on juice, and to leave zero footprints we will dedicate one domain per site in that network. That comes down to buying about 20 domains per month to keep the full strength, and a little more then that.
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    You know of any networks that only allow 1 link per 4 posts? I don't
    I only send 1 link to my money site home page and one to inner page from one of the blog post. I don't add any outbound link to other post.

    And I never experience any problem from google
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by edpudol1973 View Post

      I only send 1 link to my money site home page and one to inner page from one of the blog post. I don't add any outbound link to other post.

      And I never experience any problem from google
      Good, I don't waste link juice on other sites either like some do by linking out to authority sites. All well!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Good, I don't waste link juice on other sites either like some do by linking out to authority sites. All well!
        The best way around that one is to also "Be" the authority sites.

        I bet that will bake your noodle.
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