Which to use - the plural or singular form of your keyword phrase?

by ncloud
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When doing keyword research, there is often a difference in the monthly search volume between a singular keyword phrase and its plural keyword phrase. For example. if your keyword phrase was "air purifier", by adding an "s" to the end and making it "air purifiers", you might get more or less monthly searches. So I'm wondering, Is it best to just use the plural form of your keyword phrase whenever you can? Couldn't you still rank for the singular form when using the plural form of a keyword phrase? I'm not really sure, it might be that these search engines have evolved to the point where they pay attention to the difference and show only the form that the person is searching for first.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Which to use - the plural or singular form of your keyword phrase?
    Both have unique competition, do the comp. research for each keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author ncloud
      Right, but in the case where the competition is similar and it appears you can rank for either one?
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by ncloud View Post

        Right, but in the case where the competition is similar and it appears you can rank for either one?
        Competition might be similar but usually never the same because most people don't target both singular & plural versions of a keyword.

        Again, do the competition research. Which one has weaker competition & traffic?
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        • Profile picture of the author ncloud
          I don't know how you do your competition research, but I've been using a program called Traffic Travis which does all of that for me and then tells me how difficult it will be to rank for each keyword. It will say if a keyword is Easy, Relatively Easy, Difficult, Medium Difficult, Very Difficult. I don't pay any attention to what the google keyword tool says about competition because sometimes even when it shows high competition you can still rank for the keyword - Traffic Travis will show me that it is Easy to rank for. I believe Traffic Travis looks at the top ten pages in the search results for a keyword and looks at a number of factors like their page rank, number of backlinks, if keywords are in the title, etc. I'm not sure what else it looks for. But, in any case, sometimes it will show that both of the forms (plural and singular) of a keyword phrase are Easy to rank for. And that leaves me wondering which one to use.

          Basically, I'm just wondering if you can also rank well for the singular form of a keyword if you use the plural form, or if search engines just show the form that the person searched for first. Because sometimes they are both Easy to rank for but the singular form of the keyword has more monthly searches. Obviously if they only show the form the person is searching for first, you're going to want to go with the form that has the highest monthly search volume unless it doesn't read well in your article. But, if you can also rank for the singular form when using the plural form of the keyword that would be even better.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by ncloud View Post

            I don't know how you do your competition research, but I've been using a program called Traffic Travis which does all of that for me and then tells me how difficult it will be to rank for each keyword.
            STOP & learn how to research competition because TT isn't doing much of anything, it's most likely skipping decent traffic/comp. keywords.
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            • Profile picture of the author ncloud
              "TT isn't doing much of anything"

              What makes you say that? I said it looks at a number of different factors including checking the top ten pages in the results for their page rank, number of backlinks, if the keywords are in the title, and probably some other things.

              "it's most likely skipping decent traffic/comp. keywords."

              Most likely? That's an assumption. What it is doing is analyzing a bunch of data, which I wouldn't want to have to do myself, and it's coming to a conclusion about that data - rating how difficult it will be to rank for. It's not perfect, but I imagine it's probably more accurate that I would ever be if I were to do it myself. And it's a huge time saver.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by ncloud View Post

                "TT isn't doing much of anything"

                What makes you say that? I said it looks at a number of different factors including checking the top ten pages in the results for their page rank, number of backlinks, if the keywords are in the title, and probably some other things.

                "it's most likely skipping decent traffic/comp. keywords."

                Most likely? That's an assumption. What it is doing is analyzing a bunch of data, which I wouldn't want to have to do myself, and it's coming to a conclusion about that data - rating how difficult it will be to rank for. It's not perfect, but I imagine it's probably more accurate that I would ever be if I were to do it myself. And it's a huge time saver.
                Do whatever you want, learn SEO or play with gimmicky IM software.

                Without doing any real research you have no idea what the competition is doing, competition could blast strong authority links at one internal page then piggyback off that internal page to rank another completely different keyword/page (Wikipedia does it on thousands of keywords), TT would never show you that.

                As long as your using IM software as an SEO crutch, your right, the software will always be better at SEO but that's not saying much (no offense) considering the software isn't capable of doing comp. research.
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          • Profile picture of the author AK86
            Originally Posted by ncloud View Post

            I don't pay any attention to what the google keyword tool says about competition because sometimes even when it shows high competition you can still rank for the keyword - Traffic Travis will show me that it is Easy to rank for
            When the Keyword Planner gives you the Competition, that is for AdWords (paid) competition, not organic.

            And who cares if "TT" tells you "Easy, Medium, or Hard" ?
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            • Profile picture of the author ncloud
              "And who cares if "TT" tells you "Easy, Medium, or Hard"?"

              I care. If it says "easy" or "relatively easy" than that means you can more than likely rank for it pretty quickly. If it says "medium difficult" it will take a little more work to rank for. If it says "hard" than it's going to be a lot more difficult to rank for if you can rank for it at all. And even if you can it's probably going to take a very long time.

              But, never mind all of that, I just want to know if you can rank well for the singular form of a keyword phrase when using the plural form of it, or if the search engines will show other pages that are using the singular form first before showing pages like yours that are using the plural form when somebody searches the singular form.
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  • Profile picture of the author AK86
    I tend to go with the plural, for this reason:

    If you do plural form, "Air Purifiers", then this variation also contains within it the singular version, so you can be picked up for both. However, the singular form, only contains the singular form.

    Please correct if wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author ncloud
      I was thinking the same thing, but I wasn't sure if the search engines have evolved to the point where they just show whichever form the person searched for first. If someone searches "air purifier" and you are using "air purifiers", would they not show other pages first which have "air purifier" on them, since that's what the person searched?
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  • Profile picture of the author ncloud
    I tried searching some keyword phrases, both the singular and plural forms in google and bing, and it appears that they don't pay much attention to that "s" on the end. The search engines show a mix of both forms in the results. I don't know why I didn't think to try that to begin with, but anyway, it appears you are better off going with the plural form so that you can rank for both the singular and plural form of a keyword. That is as long as the competition is similar and it looks like you can rank for both of them pretty easily.

    Yukon - I am curious how you research your competition if you're not using some kind of program like TT to get the data for you. Don't you need to look at a few different factors to make an accurate enough assessment? What all do you look at? I would think doing it all yourself manually would end up being less accurate than a program, but maybe I'm wrong. I sure would like to know if there's a better way than the way that I'm doing it, especially if it saves me money not having to pay for a program.

    I know the program gathers data from the top ten sites in the search results for a keyword. So if I did that myself - got the PR for the top ten pages, and the # of backlinks for the top ten, and the age of their domain, and whether or not they have their keyword in their title, and whatever else you look for, that seems like an awfully daunting task trying to make sense of all of that information. How do you do it?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    Choose a main phrase and target both on one webpage, if you target both you might get them both from one webpage.

    I'm targeting a home page at WordPress SEO Package(s) and currently ranked number 2 and 5 for plural and singular.

    Also targeting the derivative WP SEO Package(s) on the same page and currently ranked number 4 and 2.

    Google uses singular/plural and derivative SERPs to rank each SERP, so using WP is similar to using WordPress, Google understands they mean the same thing.

    Same for WP Search Engine Optimization Packages, Google knows what SEO means.

    Try to cover as many variations of a phrase and derivatives as works on the page and try to do the same for links anchor text as well from your backlinks (variation is good).

    I work on the principal if it reads OK, it's OK.
    If it reads SPAMMY fix it until it reads OK.

    David
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    • Profile picture of the author ncloud
      "Choose a main phrase and target both on one webpage, if you target both you might get them both from one webpage."

      Yeah I suppose you could have both on the same page, but it might be harder to use both forms of the keyword in some instances when the keyword phrase is a long-tail keyword. But, what I was saying is that it looks like you can rank for both on one page just by using the plural form since it also contains the singular form.
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
        Originally Posted by ncloud View Post

        "Choose a main phrase and target both on one webpage, if you target both you might get them both from one webpage."

        Yeah I suppose you could have both on the same page, but it might be harder to use both forms of the keyword in some instances when the keyword phrase is a long-tail keyword. But, what I was saying is that it looks like you can rank for both on one page just by using the plural form since it also contains the singular form.
        It's 2014 Google is a lot more advanced than only counting exact matches.

        To Google

        SEO = Search Engine Optimization.

        Not precisely equal, but similar, related.

        When targeting SERPs related to SEO also use Search Engine Optimization because the latter will help rank for the former and the former will help rank the latter.

        Search Google for Search Engine Optimization and note how SEO is highlighted in the descriptions.

        Content Management System = CMS

        Is the same.

        The above ones are obvious, when SEOing content I have a thesaurus at hand to cover related phrases. Think about how natural content reads, you don't mindless write

        SEO Tutorial this, SEO Tutorial that...

        You use variations like SEO Guide, search engine optimization tips, SEO training.... cover the derivatives, the variations that's what well written natural content does.

        David
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  • Profile picture of the author st0nec0ld
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