Googles latest review site slap...Ouch

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Hi folks,

I just received an email from Perry Marshall about the latest Google
slap on review sites and affiliate blogs etc.

If you're marketing in this fashion, I think you need to read it.

perrymarshall.com/product-review-google-slap/

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Read the post, went and checked my review sites with affiliate links, and so far everything is checking out just fine, QS remains strong on all the keywords on all the sites I've checked so far. I'm not seeing any impact of any alleged "Google slap" so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenneth Fox
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Read the post, went and checked my review sites with affiliate links, and so far everything is checking out just fine, QS remains strong on all the keywords on all the sites I've checked so far. I'm not seeing any impact of any alleged "Google slap" so far.
      That's great Steven, I hope it stays that way for you. I haven't noticed anything either but I figured I'd throw it out there since the source is very credible.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by Kenneth Fox View Post

        That's great Steven, I hope it stays that way for you. I haven't noticed anything either but I figured I'd throw it out there since the source is very credible.
        I didn't mention it earlier because I didn't want to rub it in (just in case others were suffering), but one of my review sites now actually has a higher QS for most of the keywords than it had a few days ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimGross
    Originally Posted by Kenneth Fox View Post

    I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it.
    I'm not sure what there is to say, I agree completely with all of Perry's broad points.

    Anyone whose business model relies on manipulating Google results without truly adding value had better understand that they're playing a short-term game. Not all Product Review sites do that, of course... But a lot of them do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
      There's been talk of this happening for a few months now.

      No big surprise but it will probably mess up a bunch of people's "business" models.
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      "Many product review sites are trash"
      Google Slap for Product Review Sites

      Indeed. To add value and be genuinely useful to the searcher a review site should offer a review - not an advert thinly disguised as a review, by someone who has clearly not even used the product or service (so how on earth can they provide a genuine 'review'!)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenneth Fox
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        Indeed. To add value and be genuinely useful to the searcher a review site should offer a review - not an advert thinly disguised as a review, by someone who has clearly not even used the product or service (so how on earth can they provide a genuine 'review'!)
        I totally agree and that is exactly what's lacking on most of the review sites I come across. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
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      • Profile picture of the author RanD
        Originally Posted by AffiliateMax View Post

        "Many product review sites are trash"
        Google Slap for Product Review Sites

        Indeed. To add value and be genuinely useful to the searcher a review site should offer a review - not an advert thinly disguised as a review, by someone who has clearly not even used the product or service (so how on earth can they provide a genuine 'review'!)
        Exactly. Not to offend anyone who makes their money this way but, as a search engine user, it is frustrating to try and find legitimate reviews only to have to wade through a ton of crappy, fake reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricky Parker
    No new news here.

    Adwords has been slappin' stuff for a while now. That is why I moved my PPC elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Pension Guy
    I just finished checking my emails and read the one from Perry, plus his blog post... then I came here to let the WF members know about it - but you guys were faster

    Not having review sites I am not affected.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
    I don't do PPC much, so I can't really say for sure, but as a consumer, if I were searching to buy a product and I found an ad for a review instead - particularly a shitty non-review advertorial, I'd be pissed, and I'd stop clicking on ads.

    That's what Google is cheesed about right there. For the long term, that model is very corrosive to THEIR business model, and they WILL eventually punish EVERYTHING that has that same effect.

    The same thing happens in organic listings too. The fact is, you should build a web presence (not just a site, but your whole visible, interlinked PRESENCE online) as if Google or SEO didn't even exist.

    Get links from places that make sense, hang out where your audience hangs out, collect, sort and classify USEFUL information for your niche and you'll win slowly over time.

    Even though you don't start getting paid fast, you WILL build a massive collection of small but secure traffic and income streams.

    If you're like me, I couldn't even tell you exactly how many products I'm currently promoting, or even how many sites and pages on various properties I even really have. By that same token, several of my methods and income sources would have to fail simultaneously for it to make a dent.

    I guess Google's behaviour here makes sense - if they say "don't be evil" how long do you think they will let you weaken their reputation with middle-man, pump-and-dump type of sites.

    It's why they don't like arbitrage much either. If they figure out a way to stop that too, they will.
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  • Profile picture of the author jakesellers
    The chilling effect is G lost their ad-agnostic "it's not our job to police advertisers" stance and is gradually imposing policy standards under the guise of quality standards, and implementing their policies cleverly with the "slap" mechanism, essentially a form of economic censorship. Those who've been doing this stuff for a while are aware of Amazon and eBay prohibitions based on political motivation, and Google is a huge target for that type of manipulation.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    There are plenty of other ways to get traffic other than Google - Don't panic.

    Aside from that it would be insane to build a business with only one profit technique or without building a list by adding value....

    I think the blog post is just a link bait pre-sell for his cheat sheet.. which is a much smarter business model by the way
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    All I can wonder is 'what took them so long'. Search engine results are a laugh when it comes to products nowadays - the bext results are often on page 5 or even further back because of the 'me too' rubbish out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
      I was in the process of building a whole lot of simple review sites so this is not good for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

      All I can wonder is 'what took them so long'. Search engine results are a laugh when it comes to products nowadays - the bext results are often on page 5 or even further back because of the 'me too' rubbish out there.
      Amen. I get so tired of malicious marketing that may be effective, but actually makes the whole web EXPERIENCE worse. It's like pinching off a turd in a public pool.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
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    • Profile picture of the author TrevorB
      Originally Posted by artwebster View Post

      All I can wonder is 'what took them so long'. Search engine results are a laugh when it comes to products nowadays - the bext results are often on page 5 or even further back because of the 'me too' rubbish out there.
      Couldn't agree more. If I want some real information, I now skip over the first few pages, where the IMers have manipulated the SEO, to get to some real people who have written real reviews.

      Maybe getting on page 4 will be more important than getting on page 1 soon
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      • Profile picture of the author Julian Lockhart
        My question to those who know (they would know because they have sites affected):

        Has organic ranking been adversely affected?

        Perry refers to quality score going down. I would like to know more, like any particular niches were affected?

        Since people were bitching about first page search result crap - I'll chime in with ebay shops dominating listings with the same freaking power adapter from the same guy 25 times.

        Also, will someone who has firsthand experience with this slap please step forward.
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        • Profile picture of the author Julian Lockhart
          Oh yeah and one other thing I have seen some really cool review sites lately that are ...
          ... NOT skinny sites, rather well build out, consistently updated blogs with good navigation above the fold, xml site maps, high click through, hyper-relevant keyword mapping, low bounce rates, long average time on page ... everything else Google loves. (from Perry's Blog)

          and at the same time are fake blogs, fake news sites and let's not forget about dr Oz. I almost forgot about the soccer mom with really white teeth. Or that chick who lost all that weight. Let's not forget about the local "Sarasota (or insert your city)" Mother who lost weight.

          Check this story . . . JayWeintraub.com - Internet Advertising Analysis and Commentary: The Perfect Storm - Part 1

          My guess is Google is probably going hard at this type of fake review site.
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          • Profile picture of the author benz
            Originally Posted by Julian Lockhart View Post

            Oh yeah and one other thing I have seen some really cool review sites lately that are ...
            ... NOT skinny sites, rather well build out, consistently updated blogs with good navigation above the fold, xml site maps, high click through, hyper-relevant keyword mapping, low bounce rates, long average time on page ... everything else Google loves. (from Perry's Blog)

            and at the same time are fake blogs, fake news sites and let's not forget about dr Oz. I almost forgot about the soccer mom with really white teeth. Or that chick who lost all that weight. Let's not forget about the local "Sarasota (or insert your city)" Mother who lost weight.

            ...

            My guess is Google is probably going hard at this type of fake review site.
            Yeah, as is always the case, the bad apples will affect everyone. Remember those tons of hosting review sites? I can't say I miss them. I suppose that reflects on their ability of "adding quality" to the web, or rather their lack there of. There are some big sites that do it in my niche, like carjunky, spewing out lots of information for affiliates, a lot of the information is inaccurate, but does the reader know?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by Julian Lockhart View Post



            My guess is Google is probably going hard at this type of fake review site.
            Out of curiousity, just how does Google know whether my review is real or fake?

            And how about this...Instead of writing reviews, let's say I give a description of a few products, then point them to reviews at Amazon.com? Is this legit?
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            • Profile picture of the author Julian Lockhart
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              Out of curiousity, just how does Google know whether my review is real or fake?

              And how about this...Instead of writing reviews, let's say I give a description of a few products, then point them to reviews at Amazon.com? Is this legit?
              I guess they use humans.
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  • Profile picture of the author robert25
    Affiliates share a big pie in google revenue, its not that easy to ignoring or hurting affiliates. Its all about adding value to the page or site. If reader found that page useful then google will like it eventually.
    Comparing 3/4 products and gathering most of the information from sales page will not work further for sure. We need to add more value by adding insider facts about product.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Seen this? Perry Marshall alerted me to it. Seems not only are the FTC targeting affiliate review sites but Google is going after them too - even ones that are pretty good review sites. From Perry (quoting Glenn Livingston) -

    I got word from several affiliate marketers that Google dropped the hammer today on affiliate review pages. Many pages went from quality scores of 10 --> 1 overnight.
    And these were NOT skinny sites, rather well build out, consistently updated blogs with good navigation above the fold, xml site maps, high click through, hyper-relevant keyword mapping, low bounce rates, long average time on page ... everything else Google loves.
    When we analyzed which pages survived, and we take it in combination with other information, it seems pretty clear they've added code which screens for affiliate links on the landing pages.
    At the moment it seems cloaking and PHP redirects are untouched, ... but I can't imagine these are far behind. (I'm guessing they're just avoiding this in order to decrease their server burden ... takes some CPU cycles to visit every link on the page and evaluate for affiliate code)
    I'd say it's safe to conclude Google's on the war path against affiliate review sites, and we should be advising clients towards a different business model... at minimum it seems necessary to avoid placing affiliate links on landing pages, but ideally, I think people need to move towards a deeper list building/relationship building strategy and/or a strong e-commerce model.
    Time to stop "building on sand".
    "Seems pretty clear they've added code which screens for affiliate links on the landing pages". Presumably they can't pick up cloaked affiliate links - which is what you should be doing anyway. Don't know about you but I've long felt the affiliate review site model was way too used and abused. Glenn Livingston is right, don't you think, when he says "time to stop building on sand"? Goodbye fast buck...hello long-term sustainable business model - which doesn't include bullshitting your readers with bogus review sites. What do you think?

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