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So you guys pretty much given up on black hat SEO?

by TopHats
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I can't help but notice that by the topics that I see coming up around here that WF members seem to pretty much gone cold on black hat SEO these days. You used to see posts about web2.0's, sape links, all sorts of bold crazy stuff. Now the most exciting topic that pops up if is somebody is going after the right longtail keyword. What the heck happened....?
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    A lot of people broke the first rule of fight club and Google punished us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Startup10
    Black Hat SEOs are effectively 'out of business' in the post-Google Panda environment?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan3
    Still works, just not as easy / quick so alot of people abandoned it.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    Lols... There are plenty of thriving black hat SEOs. The only thing that's reduced is the number of newbies - intermediate SEOs entering the black hat arena.

    From my own point of view, every true SEOer needs to experiments to find out what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, you're just following unqualified advice, perpetuate that bad advice on forums, don't get consistent results and quit.

    Also, black hat SEO is not limited to using the usual backlink tools (SENuke, Ultimate Demon, GSA, etc), blast thousands of links to an URL and wondering why it doesn't rank / why doesn't it stay in the SERPS. For instance, a black hat SEOer could also look into Bing & Yahoo, gaming the images algorithm, using press releases and news jacking, injecting new search queries, using foreign languages for your black hat SEO campaigns, finding scalable & measurable ways of getting results, etc.

    Just because you're not seeing a lot of BH talk on an open forum, it doesn't mean "it's dead". As long as the search engines display free results, there will be results from black hat activities in the SERPS.

    -Gabriel
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    • Profile picture of the author inetguru_987
      Originally Posted by gabibeowulf View Post

      Lols... There are plenty of thriving black hat SEOs. The only thing that's reduced is the number of newbies - intermediate SEOs entering the black hat arena.

      From my own point of view, every true SEOer needs to experiments to find out what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, you're just following unqualified advice, perpetuate that bad advice on forums, don't get consistent results and quit.

      Also, black hat SEO is not limited to using the usual backlink tools (SENuke, Ultimate Demon, GSA, etc), blast thousands of links to an URL and wondering why it doesn't rank / why doesn't it stay in the SERPS. For instance, a black hat SEOer could also look into Bing & Yahoo, gaming the images algorithm, using press releases and news jacking, injecting new search queries, using foreign languages for your black hat SEO campaigns, finding scalable & measurable ways of getting results, etc.

      Just because you're not seeing a lot of BH talk on an open forum, it doesn't mean "it's dead". As long as the search engines display free results, there will be results from black hat activities in the SERPS.

      -Gabriel
      Good analysis. I agree you have to try multiple techniques to find what works. I gave up on mass link building after being slapped and went to a PBN then never looked back.

      I don't see any of the black hatters anymore who used to rank in the niches I compete in on Google. They have done an excellent job of even stopping them from initial success. It used to take several months to get slapped by Google and before getting slapped you can make a significant amount of profit, so it was worth it. Now I don't even see that initial success.

      There are some very specific opportunities for it that I see but overall it's dead.
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      • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
        Originally Posted by inetguru_987 View Post

        There are some very specific opportunities for it that I see but overall it's dead.
        So, I suppose you would categorize the PBNs you talked about just a moment ago, as a White Hat technique? Where did you get that idea?

        (Don't get me wrong, I'm don't think of myself as a hat-person although I enjoy the gray and black more. I think using your own domains for linking purposes is perfectly fine & certainly legal, same as gaming Google for profit, but don't mistake yourself as a White Hat SEOer.)
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    This forum has never been a good source for black hat SEO discussions. Nothing has really changed about that.
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