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Do you think it's possible to outrank these results?

by ProfitFromMyDomain
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A majority of the research i'm doing. My competitors are all mostly .gov, .org and wikipedia. However none of them are mobile responsive (except wikipedia obviously), no on page seo and no deliberate off page seo.

this is what the search results look like
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their are 7 million results for this keyword.
#outrank #results
  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Any site can be outranked.

    It all boils down to your skills, tools, resources and time.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Originally Posted by ProfitFromMyDomain View Post

    no on page seo and no natural off page seo.
    They're not using title and h1 tags, their pages don't mention the topics they're writing about, and nobody is linking to them? There's nothing more "natural" that just building sites according to the HTML spec, and letting people link to them if they want to.

    You can probably outrank those sites, but I'm not sure if it's a good use of your resources.

    What's the keyword like? Short or long, generic or specific?
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      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      They're not using title and h1 tags, their pages don't mention the topics they're writing about, and nobody is linking to them? There's nothing more "natural" that just building sites according to the HTML spec, and letting people link to them if they want to.

      You can probably outrank those sites, but I'm not sure if it's a good use of your resources.

      What's the keyword like? Short or long, generic or specific?


      The keywords were in all of the titles as it is the term for the search. The domain its self is an abbreviation of the government entity. Surprisingly h1 tags don't have any keywords, the intial page doesn't mention who they are but what to do when you get there (no direct info about them), their source code is horrible, it looks like the webmaster left allot of unused commenting blocks and undisclosed tags.

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      All keywords are 3 words long and are specific. However you can add anything to the beginning or end of the terms because theirs only one place for it in each city.

      This Specific Keyword
      - 27,100 volume
      - $4.20 suggested bid
      - 7,190,000 results

      Highest Ad Word Bidder relevant term is
      - $189.72
      - 53,200 results
      - 110 volume


      I just want to know that since these are direct government rankings. If its possible to be #1 regardless of them being the direct portal for anybody searching for that term. Looking at these sites, I can easily provide better and more insightful info on these specific entity's.

      My concern is time expectancy are .gov sites easy to out rank or hard based on your expertise and these kind of results?
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by ProfitFromMyDomain View Post

        My concern is time expectancy are .gov sites easy to out rank or hard based on your expertise and these kind of results?
        Thanks for the explanation.

        I'm not from US so this is not something I'm "SEOing against". Lets hope that someone with some real insight finds here, and not just us "yeah you can maybe" people.
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    You can, via excellent onpage seo and then building up power, trust and relevance via links.
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinchua91
    My competitors are all mostly .gov, .org and wikipedia. However none of them are mobile responsive, no on page seo and no deliberate off page seo.

    Generally speaking, there is no such thing as 'you can outrank a particular website no matter what happens', because unless Google were to unfairly manipulate (which it should not), Google actually depends on an algorithm taking into account domain authority, backlinks, social media signals, domain age, Google + presence e.t.c.

    So you can beat them yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author consultant1027
    Isn't your question more accurately phrased as "how much work will it take to outrank these sites?" Because there's a common phrase that "nothing is impossible" which can be used 99% of the time which has resulted in your frustration. Heck, it might even be possible to go faster than the speed of light some day.

    What I find odd is that your screen shot is demonstrating you are aware of SEO tools like SEOquake, so I am surprised you are asking such a question.

    A good answer cannot be given without a lot more detailed data in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author ProfitFromMyDomain
      Originally Posted by consultant1027 View Post

      Isn't your question more accurately phrased as "how much work will it take to outrank these sites?" Because there's a common phrase that "nothing is impossible" which can be used 99% of the time which has resulted in your frustration. Heck, it might even be possible to go faster than the speed of light some day.

      What I find odd is that your screen shot is demonstrating you are aware of SEO tools like SEOquake, so I am surprised you are asking such a question.

      A good answer cannot be given without a lot more detailed data in my opinion.

      "Isn't your question more accurately phrased as "how much work will it take to outrank these sites?" "
      yes and thank you.

      I'm just curious if "these" .gov sites (direct government websites) have some kind of upper hand in the search engines that I don't know about?

      Although everything i'm looking at proves otherwise. It's like trying to take #1 for IRS.Com.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by ProfitFromMyDomain View Post

        I'm just curious if "these" .gov sites (direct government websites) have some kind of upper hand in the search engines that I don't know about?
        Not really. Not according to Matt Cutts, nor the reasonable comments I've seen on this topic.

        Businesses and people who are active in political debates often link to these sites. It's natural that some of them are authoritative, because the agencies are authoritative in the real life by definition. If you want to link to the sort of official version of something you link those sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Tyme
    Sure they can be outranked.

    The question is do you have the patience, resources, and tools to outrank them.

    Make sure to build a ton of quality, high pr links to your site.

    Use a large combination of naked urls and branded urls to help boost your authority and leap frog your competitors...
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