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Getting Banned From Link Building?

by WendellC
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Warriors -

Out of curiosity, has anyone PERSONALLY had a site deindexed by Google for doing:

Article marketing
RSS feeds
Submitting to directories
Posting to blogs or forums
Social bookmarking

With all the automated tools out there that allow you to do any of the above en masse, I was wondering if anyone has had personal experience with getting their site slapped or deindexed because of too much linking activity or over optimization all at once.

Wendell
#banned #building #deindexing #link
  • Profile picture of the author Arted4Life
    Not yet, hopefully it'll stay that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
    I have. I had a site on which I did everything - just to test it out.

    I did articles, bookmarking, directories, blogs, and others.

    And I got deindexed. Well, actually not deindexed - but a penalty that ensures that my site never shows up for any keyword search.

    I've had that penalty for over three months and it looks like its staying.

    But I don't know which one of these link building techniques actually got me delisted.
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    If this will happened then, you can easily do this to your competitor site. I am sure google aware of this if they implement that rule.
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    • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
      Originally Posted by edpudol1973 View Post

      If this will happened then, you can easily do this to your competitor site. I am sure google aware of this if they implement that rule.
      This is very often quoted but what if the site involved is among the worse porn, pharmacy and casino site there is. I don't think Google will care whether it is a competitor's site or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        The amount of backlinks combined with crappy neighborhoods needed to get your site banned from Google would be more than many of us could do...even with software.

        There are actually professionals that perform this service in an attempt to get your competitors banned and out of the index...It's very expensive and even the "professionals" can't guarantee results. Do a search for "Google Bowling".

        So, I doubt highly that Articles, directories, RSS, Profile linking, etc...would be near enough to have any negative long term affects.
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  • Profile picture of the author russellprisco
    That's why it's good to use doorway pages for questionable stuff. And I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that Keith.

    Yes you can get in "trouble" for linkbuilding. A great example is a sudden INCONSISTENT massive surge of 100k links and then nothing for the next 4 months, especially for a new site, because it doesn't seem as natural as getting a steady increase in links. Not to say you can't have massive surges, but if you didn't have anything before that... you know...

    I'm not saying that was the case for anyone in this post, just an example.

    If you really want to confirm you can get punished for certain link building techniques, just go ask some black hatters.

    ~Russell Prisco =)
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by russellprisco View Post

      That's why it's good to use doorway pages for questionable stuff. And I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on that Keith.

      Yes you can get in "trouble" for linkbuilding. A great example is a sudden INCONSISTENT massive surge of 100k links and then nothing for the next 4 months, especially for a new site, because it doesn't seem as natural as getting a steady increase in links. Not to say you can't have massive surges, but if you didn't have anything before that... you know...

      I'm not saying that was the case for anyone in this post, just an example.

      If you really want to confirm you can get punished for certain link building techniques, just go ask some black hatters.

      ~Russell Prisco =)
      No need to disagree, we're saying the same thing. A massive surge of backlinks with no subsequent link building is a pattern that Google looks for BECAUSE it's an indicator of the quality of the site, not with the backlinks themselves. It's not the number of backlinks, it's not the source of the backlinks, it's the pattern of backlinks to a particular URL over time, and that's a quality of the site itself, not the backlinks. I'd be willing to wager that the VAST majority of these sites you describe would be rated as low-quality for the terms they were ranking for by normal human visitors.

      So yeah, what I said, but also what you said.
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  • Profile picture of the author russellprisco
    lol.. agreed Keith =)

    ~Russell Prisco =)
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    If you site is filtered or de-index, keep building more quality links and try to avoid low quality links, after weeks or months, your site will rank high with all those links!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lutz80
    i use all the techniques you mentioned plus some you mentioned and have had no problems in the past.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
      What others have said is correct. You basically cannot be penalized for off-site link building, the worst that can happen is that those links will be filtered. As others have stated, if it were possible to be penalized, then you'd only need to spam your competition with a whole heap of inlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author LookItsMeTerryG
    It's all about building a well balanced link profile. I can't say this enough. Think to yourself, "What kind of links would a high visibility, high quality site naturally acquire?" The answer isn't forum sigs, sitewide blogroll links or paid placements in articles that aren't related to your topic (although I realize these things DO indeed work in moderation).

    For instance, with product oriented ecommerce ventures I really like editorial reviews and company interviews.

    So, in short, can you get banned from these things? Probably not banned... but you won't rank as well as you'd like.
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  • Profile picture of the author AverageGuy
    I have a website for testing only. I flood all kinds of links (basically, it is what you listed at here) to the site each month. No matter what happened, I keep flooding it. I monitor the site in google for some keywords I want. Here are what I found:

    sometimes, the site is not on the first 3 pages (10 results/page, and I do not bother to check more pages). it happened several times, especially in 2008. however, each time, after some time, the site comes back in the search results. as long as it comes back, it is always on page 1, and the position varies from 5 to 2.

    when I check yahoo, it shows that the site has several thousands backlinks, but google only shows about 10. the page rank varies from 3 to 5.

    I never used any paid ads for this site. the traffic is ok, and brings some profits.

    just one of my testing experience. I do not know why and what causes google drop the ranking at sometimes, as long as it comes back and brings traffic, I'm ok with it. But I guess it is not banned. maybe sandboxed? unlikely.



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  • Profile picture of the author ggoddi
    Originally Posted by clickguy View Post

    Warriors -

    Out of curiosity, has anyone PERSONALLY had a site deindexed by Google for doing:

    Article marketing
    for this one ,the most common problem is thr duplication things
    we can't afford so many pages with all the original content
    but there is no duplicate content "penalty"--there is just a duplicate content filter that reduces the possibility of the same content being duplicated in the SERP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Solidsnake
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    Originally Posted by clickguy View Post

    Warriors -

    Out of curiosity, has anyone PERSONALLY had a site deindexed by Google for doing:

    Article marketing
    RSS feeds
    Submitting to directories
    Posting to blogs or forums
    Social bookmarking

    With all the automated tools out there that allow you to do any of the above en masse, I was wondering if anyone has had personal experience with getting their site slapped or deindexed because of too much linking activity or over optimization all at once.

    Wendell
    I don't hear such thing as "website banned by google" due to use of promotion software... Google may penalize your site for some days to couple of weeks but not totally ban...

    There is nothing wrong in using software.. nothing... If you are going to use a software in submitting your link, your enemy will be the directories that does not allow robots - not google..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I've heard from a couple of sources, two I trust a lot, that Squidoo has banned accountd due to "improper linking". This seems to stem from using blog comments and social bookmarking.

    As far as not being able to do damage to competitiors through links, at the very least you can devalue their anchor text relevance.
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    • Profile picture of the author WendellC
      Thanks for all the opinions and insights. I like Keith Kogane's logic about the pattern of backlinking as being a bigger red flag that the actual number of links.

      Seems to make sense...

      ...although sometimes that can be a dangerous thing when it comes to SEO.

      Thanks again!

      Wendell
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      • Profile picture of the author freetraff
        I do not think that incoming one way links can hurt in any way, because you don't have any control over them.

        I think the best punishment Google can do is - simply not count these backlinks.

        This issue (and video about this issue) is also discussed here - please check it out http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...t-my-site.html
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        • Profile picture of the author WendellC
          freetraff -

          Very interesting video!

          Let me pose this scenario:

          Let's say you currently have a site with 500 backlinks, and 10% or 50 of the links have the anchor text "blue widgets" which you have built up slowly.

          Another guy also has 500 backlinks which he built up slowly, except he has 40 blue widget backlinks to your 50 blue widgets backlinks.

          Your site with the 50 blue widget backlinks ranks #1 and the other guy ranks #2.

          You decide to go nutty one weekend and do a ton of automated backlink building that gets you another 200 backlinks with the same "blue widgets" anchor text. So now you have 200+50 = 250 backlinks with "blue widgets."

          According to your video, the worst case scenario would be that Google would not count those 200 backlinks and so I would assume your #1 position would not change.

          How would Google know which are the 50 "natural" backlinks and the 200 "unnatural" backlinks?

          Do you think that Google might discount ALL 250 of your "blue widget" backlinks which would cause you to lose your #1 ranking? I always thought that there was the idea of over-optimization which could hurt your rankings.

          I'm trying to reconcile your logic as well Keith Kogane's, both of which sounds like they have merit.

          Thanks for any insights.

          Wendell
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    not yet, however it is a scary though if it happens
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