What traffic sources do YOU use to get your posts ranking?

9 years ago

Originally Posted by ncloud

So I've got some article posts written and on my site with keywords in them. What would you do next to get backlinks to each post? I need traffic sources where I can link to my posts and not just to my homepage so I can get the posts ranking.

Internal linking and learning how to choose your keywords wisely is the best strategy in terms of developing Post ranking. leaning how to gain traction with long tail terms to develop site juice to conquer terms with more competition should be a commonly spoken and practiced strategy. But alas we want it when? we want it now! Good luck buddy.. and watch for that penguin that's following you, every where you go!

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9 years ago

Internal linking is indeed a start. I'd probably try and buy some guest posts on other similar websites and have those link back to the individual articles too.

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marguerite

9 years ago

Internal linking and guest posting are indeed two things you can do. But I guess it depends on whether you want traffic or ranking. I know that high ranking gets you traffic but you can get traffic without ranking high in search engines. And if you are just looking for traffic there are many other things you can do.

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ncloud

9 years ago

I know that high ranking gets you traffic but you can get traffic without ranking high in search engines. And if you are just looking for traffic there are many other things you can do.

Yeah, I do plan on using other non SEO sources as well eventually. But, right now I'm giving this traffic method a try with a few articles to see if it will be worth my time. I have a feeling that it's not going to be a traffic method of choice for me, but I'll never know until I try.

I have selected my keywords wisely as Savidge4 mentioned and I do have my posts linking to each other when appropriate.

So to get these post ranking I can do...
Internal linking
Guest Posts
Google+
Twitter
Facebook

Are they're any other popular methods not yet mentioned, or are those pretty much the main traffic sources people use to link to their posts?

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by ncloud

So to get these post ranking I can do...
Internal linking
Guest Posts
Google+
Twitter
Facebook

Good internal linking is just an amplifier. You need links to rank your site in the first place.

Social media doesn't directly help if you want to rank something. Only if you can do outreach that brings you backlinks. All the services that were mentioned here just give you nofollow links.

Guest posting might work if you can get your posts to decent enough sites, and generate the content fast enough. Usually a link from a new post is not worth the trouble.

Some business directories may work. You might be able to have your partners link to you. Some use "web 2.0" sites to generate backlinks, but you have to build backlink profiles to those sites too.

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

Good internal linking is just an amplifier. You need links to rank your site in the first place.

I really really dis agree with this. from lower mid to low competition terms.. I rank all the time without a single back link and on new domains. Good content with good solid on page SEO practices behind it is all that is needed.

I think what happens ( or from what I generally see ) is that internal linking is about linking 2 pages to any page. there is not thought of context and relevance when people do this. and they think they are dong the write thing, and in short they are cutting the process short.

"See look I have 2 links going to this page" one is from a red widgets page and the other is from a blue wombats page and the page they are linking to is about solar panels... it simply is not just the link but the context behind the link that matters.

My personal strategy and practice is to post in 3's ( as in 3 posts ) on the same topic, or real dang close. If you are using wordpress and have pagination set your middle post is already covered ( 2 text links ), and then all you have to do is develop one inbound link each for Post 1 and 3. - honestly how many people do this?

This is why Silo structure is so dang effective. As you develop content down a silo you are in effect developing the internal link structure that is most effective.

I am not at all saying that external linking is a waste.. but I think more focus needs to be placed on the fundaments at the site level to make the best use of external linking.

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by ncloud

It's sounding like guest posting is basically how everybody gets their posts on their own site ranking. That sucks, I guess I'll have to create even more content for that. Will it take a lot of guest posts or just a couple?

I've never done any guest posting for my own sites. It's not the only thing out there.

It's always impossible to answer that kind of question, but guest posts are a new page that doesn't have much of an initial PR. The site metrics affect the outcome, and so does their speed of posting. It would also depend on what you're trying to rank, and who are you going against.

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I really really dis agree with this. from lower mid to low competition terms.. I rank all the time without a single back link and on new domains. Good content with good solid on page SEO practices behind it is all that is needed.

I seriously doubt that there's any competition for the keywords where you could rank without any backlinks. Also, it's rare to even find a site with no backlinks at all. How have you even tested this hypothesis?

I said that solid internal linking amplifies the effect that you get from your backlinks, and you apparently disagree with that, but you didn't actually explain how my statement would be wrong.

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

I seriously doubt that there's any competition for the keywords where you could rank without any backlinks. Also, it's rare to even find a site with no backlinks at all. How have you even tested this hypothesis?

I said that solid internal linking amplifies the effect that you get from your backlinks, and you apparently disagree with that, but you didn't actually explain how my statement would be wrong.

Im a site developer... I test this with basically every build. this isn't a hypothesis.. this is right up there with fact. Local search related listings are pretty much gimme's ( unless you are a big market OR dealing with plumbers or lawyers and the like ) And yes I am talking about getting these listings prior to even setting up a Google business acct etc.

And I am not just suggesting local listings are the only terms that will rank. It depends on the term, but there are many long tails that simply get rank with out any external help.

Believe me I understand the value of external linking... but it really is not as important as it is made out to be. If you are going after mid level competition terms then the need is greater, but low laying fruit. not so much.. does it help yes, is it really needed? probably less then you think.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

Im a site developer... I test this with basically every build. this isn't a hypothesis.. this is right up there with fact. Local search related listings are pretty much gimme's ( unless you are a big market OR dealing with plumbers or lawyers and the like ) And yes I am talking about getting these listings prior to even setting up a Google business acct etc.

And I am not just suggesting local listings are the only terms that will rank. It depends on the term, but there are many long tails that simply get rank with out any external help.

Believe me I understand the value of external linking... but it really is not as important as it is made out to be. If you are going after mid level competition terms then the need is greater, but low laying fruit. not so much.. does it help yes, is it really needed? probably less then you think.

I can attest to this.

Also, I put a significant investment (my time) into competition research in conjunction with the search volume and ALLINTITLE results. Seems like a straight-up no-brainer: keywords that the SERPS are starved to dish out content to searchers are super easy to rank. No need for backlinks.

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nettiapina 9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

Im a site developer... I test this with basically every build. this isn't a hypothesis.. this is right up there with fact.

You must realize that this is about the worst way to frame this claim, right? You didn't explain a thing, and declared that you supposedly test everything with Google. Or whatever this build stuff is supposed to even mean in this context.

Are you even speaking about the same thing?

So is it local, mid level competition, no competition, long tail, or what? How is it even possible that the defenition changes in every paragraph?

If there's no competition, sure. You can rank with just about anything.

If there's mid level competition in my world everyone else is going to have backlinks.

Believe me I understand the value of external linking... but it really is not as important as it is made out to be.

What are we arguing then? I'm not saying that internal linking is useless, but the opposite.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

I really really dis agree with this. from lower mid to low competition terms..

YES.. mid level you need backlinks.. not arguing there... I stated right off the bat that low mid to low comp terms backlinks are really not needed.

We are discussing this because apparently you cant read?

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

We are discussing this because apparently you cant read?

Do you really think that your vague and relative ranges represent some sort of point of reference?

As I pointed out you've changed the definition in every chapter you wrote to your last post.

Even something like "local" is so frigging vague that I can't agree with you on that. Sure, if you're playing with your only competitor in a small town or suburb then you're going to rank with a printed leaflet, but when you've got local with full "7 pack" it's going to take way more than on-page and wishing for the best. And it doesn't need to be much of a city for that to be the case.

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sparrow 9 years ago

check the serps and see what is ranking

the serps are the smoking gun to what works

I've been doing this lately since the last updates and has revealed much about a niche and what Google sees it wants to rank
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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

Do you really think that your vague and relative ranges represent some sort of point of reference?

As I pointed out you've changed the definition in every chapter you wrote to your last post.

Even something like "local" is so frigging vague that I can't agree with you on that. Sure, if you're playing with your only competitor in a small town or suburb then you're going to rank with a printed leaflet, but when you've got local with full "7 pack" it's going to take way more than on-page and wishing for the best. And it doesn't need to be much of a city for that to be the case.

Yes if you want to list in the 7 pack you need to develop citations ( a form of back linking ) but in MANY twink small market spaces Packs don't occur.. or maybe only a 3 pack.

But regardless of that, there STILL is the organic results below that. ( in some cases 1 2 3 spots ABOVE the pack listings )

I would say that local SEO in terms of getting in packs and the like are a different animal with different rules. but how to get listed in the organic listings.. that game remains the same regardless of the term.

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beautyuno1

9 years ago

I always like your posts and advise. I have a question : can you elaborate more on how to set pagination in wp ( ...or using plugins for pagination) ?

Thanks, Really appreciate the answer.

Originally Posted by savidge4

I really really dis agree with this. from lower mid to low competition terms.. I rank all the time without a single back link and on new domains. Good content with good solid on page SEO practices behind it is all that is needed.

I think what happens ( or from what I generally see ) is that internal linking is about linking 2 pages to any page. there is not thought of context and relevance when people do this. and they think they are dong the write thing, and in short they are cutting the process short.

"See look I have 2 links going to this page" one is from a red widgets page and the other is from a blue wombats page and the page they are linking to is about solar panels... it simply is not just the link but the context behind the link that matters.

My personal strategy and practice is to post in 3's ( as in 3 posts ) on the same topic, or real dang close. If you are using wordpress and have pagination set your middle post is already covered ( 2 text links ), and then all you have to do is develop one inbound link each for Post 1 and 3. - honestly how many people do this?

This is why Silo structure is so dang effective. As you develop content down a silo you are in effect developing the internal link structure that is most effective.

I am not at all saying that external linking is a waste.. but I think more focus needs to be placed on the fundaments at the site level to make the best use of external linking.

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by beautyuno1

I always like your posts and advise. I have a question : can you elaborate more on how to set pagination in wp ( ...or using plugins for pagination) ?

Thanks, Really appreciate the answer.

I honestly believe that working within the framework of Wordpress in the realm of SEO you are at a disadvantage. If you start looking at high and super high competition keywords ( like xbox as an example ) the first thing I notice is that Wordpress built sites are usually not on page one.

Part of the issue as I see it is with Wordpress the introduction of "Posts" as compared to pages. I know the general consensus is pages and post are the same. If that were the case then there would be a silo plugin using posts.. and that simply does not exist.

Posts in Wordpress are referenced by date before anything. so a post you made yesterday is directly linked to the post made today, and the post made today will be linked to the post made tomorrow. In Silo structure the posts are connected by topic and not date.

I have developed what I call "Hay Baling" ( if a silo holds wheat.. in relation to posts we are going to stack hay ) In the method above you make a post on say "Red" the next day "Blue" and the next day "Green". Red blue and green may be related by a broad topic but in relation in terms of a more defined context, they simply may not work well together.

Part of UX ( User Experience ) principles is to display a topic and then closely related topics of interest. If you get a person that clicks on a search engine link that wants to know about Facebook.. and in the pagination you have links to Twitter and Pinterest.. they may be the same over all topic but not exactly. The reader reads the article.. and then more than likely bounces.

What Hay Baling does is understanding that concept you need to group like article together at the point of publishing. 3+ Articles on Facebook. 3+ articles on Twitter 3+ articles on Pinterest. I say 3+ because I personally have found 5 to work really well. 3 is the least needed and more than 5 is beyond a pain in the butt.

So why does this work... a couple of reasons. #1 the UX factor. regardless of where in that hay bale a user may land there is at least 1 other topic related article and in the middle there would be 2. #2 By using the pagination function in Wordpress in this manor by default you start the process of onsite context based cross linking.

The whole process is really a pain in the ask end to maintain, but particularly in the development stage of a site I have found it to be very beneficial in getting terms to populate and rank quickly and well.

what I tend to do after a site is up and running is write say a 3000 word piece of content. I break this up into 5 parts. Part 1 part 2 part 3 etc... I then publish this backwards last article first. The reason I do this is so when you are looking at say related posts Article 1 is on top of the list ( they display by date newest first )

On articles 2 3 4 and 5 I will have a text link towards the top of the page pointing to post #1. At this point if you look at onsite cross linking Posts 2 3 and 4 each have 2 internal links by context. By adding the links to posts 2 3 4 and 5 back to page 1 ( starting to loosely resemble Silo structure ) Page 1 is covered. Page 5 is the only one left in the dark a bit. - but the you ask the question do you want the last page of a 5 part series to rank anyways?

Once you have done this a few times writing this gets easier. Page one would be an introduction this articles is going to be about.... and then you get into your primary target word. Page 2 you move into keyword 2 and maybe 3 Page 3 the same page 4 the same. Page 5 then rounds up the whole article.

If the keyword selection is correct in this process what starts happening is #1 you start developing consistent rankings #2 you start developing Page Authority ( PA ) and #3 your start increasing your Domain Authority ( DA ) what happens at this point is you can start targeting terms that are a bit more competitive. and the cycle rinses and repeats

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

I honestly believe that working within the framework of Wordpress in the realm of SEO you are at a disadvantage. If you start looking at high and super high competition keywords ( like xbox as an example ) the first thing I notice is that Wordpress built sites are usually not on page one.

And I honestly believe you're wrong about that. Or at least you're speaking about the wrong thing. There's huge sites that rank well and use WordPress, but you'd never know it from the way that they look.

The CMS is just a system to control the content. What you happen to build around it depends on your plans and execution, but usually also very much on the theme you base your work on. The themes are both one of the greatest features and biggest downfalls of WordPress. There's simply not any standard way to do a site under this system from the visitor and SEO point of view.

The posts are not necessarily linked to each other, and you don't even need to have a standard date-based archive for them. I've organized all sorts of directories and listings around keywords, locations, names etc. The basic building blocks are the same, but the implementation is totally different.

What you say about linking articles together makes sense, of course. I tend to think that the more automated "related posts" systems are usually way too complicated, and I don't think it's the best idea SEO-wise to constantly change that list.

BTW, a keyword like "xbox" is a poor example of a keyword because it's such a huge brand. My first page is full of Microsoft's properties with the mandatory Wikipedia link. It's a bit like saying "see, MS doesn't use WP so it sucks at SEO" which just makes no sense at all.

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savidge4

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

And I honestly believe you're wrong about that. Or at least you're speaking about the wrong thing. There's huge sites that rank well and use WordPress, but you'd never know it from the way that they look.

I could care less how they look, but "Wordpress" from 'View Source' is easily identifiable. Are there sites that rank well? sure there are, and Yes "Xbox" is an extreme... but start looking at terms like "Las Vegas Hotels" or any other high competition term and the truth is WordPress does not fair well.

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The CMS is just a system to control the content. What you happen to build around it depends on your plans and execution, but usually also very much on the theme you base your work on. The themes are both one of the greatest features and biggest downfalls of WordPress. There's simply not any standard way to do a site under this system from the visitor and SEO point of view.

This is a great canned answer.. and NO a CMS does not JUST control content. It DICTATES the framework, and everything that falls in it. Theme selection does play a part in all of this ( Obviously ). There are simply Themes that are better ( easier ) to manipulate than others. ( through the use of customized templates as an example )

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The posts are not necessarily linked to each other, and you don't even need to have a standard date-based archive for them. I've organized all sorts of directories and listings around keywords, locations, names etc. The basic building blocks are the same, but the implementation is totally different.

I will 100% disagree here. They are in a database, one after the other after the other. You may have manipulated the display of these posts, but the reality is they are what they are and connected in chronological order is what that is. You can create all of that separation, we will say by keyword, but the moment you throw pagination in there.. what happens? All your work is basically destroyed because pagination is going to display the post in last current and next chronological order.
What you say about linking articles together makes sense, of course. I tend to think that the more automated "related posts" systems are usually way too complicated, and I don't think it's the best idea SEO-wise to constantly change that list.

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BTW, a keyword like "xbox" is a poor example of a keyword because it's such a huge brand. My first page is full of Microsoft's properties with the mandatory Wikipedia link. It's a bit like saying "see, MS doesn't use WP so it sucks at SEO" which just makes no sense at all.

Yes "XBOX" is an extreme. I am not following how not using WP makes it suck at SEO.. I am kind of suggesting the opposite?

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

but start looking at terms like "Las Vegas Hotels" or any other high competition term and the truth is WordPress does not fair well.

That's an equally poor example. Nobody in their right minds would build a heavy-duty major hotel reservation site on a WordPress. I know that's what ranks without even looking.

If you've got something where there's even a change for a average-sized companies, normal websites or even blogs to rank there's WordPress among all the other systems.

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This is a great canned answer.. and NO a CMS does not JUST control content. It DICTATES the framework, and everything that falls in it.

WTF are you talking about? A canned answer?

Of course CMS sets the limits to what you can do with a site, but that's not what I was talking about here. Your claim was that using WordPress somehow inherently hinders SEO.

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I will 100% disagree here. They are in a database, one after the other after the other.

You merely show your lack of understanding here. Most of WordPress' content is in the same frigging database table. That's right, a page can be right after a post, and after that can be a custom content piece. Even most decent plugins nowadays try to use that one table for content.

The thing you said above is both false from the technological point of view, and irrelevant to the discussion.

WordPress of course wraps this in their Query APIs so you don't have to actually stare at the raw database, or post queries against it. The Query API does the magic of presenting you with a chronological list of certain type of content.

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You may have manipulated the display of these posts, but the reality is they are what they are and connected in chronological order is what that is.

So I've got a new way to present the articles and they show no chronological order anywhere - not even hidden in the HTML head. I've build a custom category display, or perhaps I'm just using the stock categories by overriding the template parts (archive-xxx.php). Users don't see chronological order, and it doesn't even occur in anyplace else than the admin list view.

But according to you the articles are chronological in some magical mystical way. Even though that's not even true on database level.

You've completely lost me here, and it's not for the reason that I don't understand this piece of technology.

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You can create all of that separation, we will say by keyword, but the moment you throw pagination in there.. what happens?

I have no idea why I'd do that, unless it somehow fits the scenario. You know that you can just turn off the pagination at the query level, right? I suppose not...

And this is the problem with this discussion. WordPress doesn't necessarily do any of the stuff you claim it does. Out of box with a popular theme? Sure, it might.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

That's an equally poor example. Nobody in their right minds would build a heavy-duty major hotel reservation site on a WordPress. I know that's what ranks without even looking.

No body in their right mind.... I really don't need to say more you are indicating my point in this statement alone. But I am not of right mind, and actually do have web properties in this space and use Wordpress as a position holder back on page 6 or so, to back up my more prominent non-wordpress affiliate site with better ranking. Just for the record.. since I DO look at this term on a regular basis... The first wordpress site to make its way into the SERP's for the term "Las Vegas Hotels" falls in at position 43 from my geo location.

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Of course CMS sets the limits to what you can do with a site, but that's not what I was talking about here. Your claim was that using WordPress somehow inherently hinders SEO.

I am going to be VERY POINT BLANK with this answer.. that is EXACTLY what I am saying.

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You merely show your lack of understanding here. Most of WordPress' content is in the same frigging database table. That's right, a page can be right after a post, and after that can be a custom content piece. Even most decent plugins nowadays try to use that one table for content.

Not sure how to respond here.. I do understand RELATIONAL queries vs static queries pretty well. Post in terms of the database are relational and pages would be static. ALL pages and posts are inserted into the dbase oldest at the bottom and newest on top. BY DEFAULT there is chronological order. What separates Pages and Post with the dbase becomes identifiers such as Post only: "post_parent", "menu_order", and "static" for Post specific there is: "post_category", "post_excerpt", "draft", "private", and "publish".

Originally Posted by nettiapina

But according to you the articles are chronological in some magical mystical way. Even though that's not even true on database level.

there is nothing magical at all... and regardless of how you manipulate the display of posts.. there is literally no getting around it. "recent posts" last 5 posts. By tag, newest to oldest or reverse. outside of clear separation where there is a deeper call into the db such as "most popular" but there is not many instances of this. ( Right now that is the only one I can think of actually - most popular )

you can display posts by cat all you want.. how do you think they will be listed? its relational. it is going to list the posts from the top of the DB or the Bottom, regardless of the method.. they will still be chronological, unless you get in there and manipulate the heck out of it and turn it into alphabetical.

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

The first wordpress site to make its way into the SERP's for the term "Las Vegas Hotels" falls in at position 43 from my geo location.

That's underlines my point. WordPress isn't the right tool for major registration sites, so companies with deep pockets use something else. Besides, at that point the budgets start to get so high that it's fairly irrelevant what the underlying platform is budget-wise.

BTW, there's always way to hide WP to such an extend that it'd be hard for me to recognize it from the HTML. The higher the budgets, the more likely the case for some major structural work.

Originally Posted by savidge4

Not sure how to respond here.. I do understand RELATIONAL queries vs static queries pretty well. Post in terms of the database are relational and pages would be static. ALL pages and posts are inserted into the dbase oldest at the bottom and newest on top. BY DEFAULT there is chronological order.

This still continues to be completely irrelevant for any discussion about website content and structures. You've described a common structure in a relational database. Yes, the database entries are kind of sort of in a "chronological" order. Or to be more precise, in the order that the database engine sets them, which of course is completely different than the user-controlled date-based order of WordPress posts.

But so what?

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there is nothing magical at all... and regardless of how you manipulate the display of posts.. there is literally no getting around it. "recent posts" last 5 posts.

Only if you want to do most recent posts. Why on earth do you think that something like that is mandatory to have? I just don't get this weird mindset that you must do things in some particular way. Apparently just because, you know, reasons.

You can have the posts in any order you want. It's not even that hard. Of course that order has to be somehow logical so you can have it either in the query or in the code. Or both: if you happen to hit the limits of the WP Query, just use some PHP magic on resulting PHP tables or something.

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you can display posts by cat all you want.. how do you think they will be listed? its relational. it is going to list the posts from the top of the DB or the Bottom, regardless of the method.. they will still be chronological, unless you get in there and manipulate the heck out of it and turn it into alphabetical.

They will be listed just the way I want them to be listed. You can completely overwrite any archive for any content type or category in your child theme! This is WordPress 101.

You can also use WP's internal rewrite to have custom URLs for custom categories, which is something I've done several times. You can eg. have the main archive page for the content type list the categories, and have those category links only show articles for that cat. Or you can list everything on that same page, and group them by category. Or just about any other thing you can dream of.

For example, I've build an archive view for a bunch of courses. The default is by date, but the articles are grouped by month, and the session times under those are ordered by date. However, there's a bunch of courses that don't fit that list (webinar recordings) which requires some code to find out. This is just a nested foreach loop that puts the stuff in one big table with the special "no date" cases at the end of it. The page also has an alphabetical view, and a view for sort of VIP customers.

If you just want something obvious such as alphabetical or menu order, have the WP Query do that for you. It's possible that you don't even have to rewrite your existing code (in case you have some).

If a system is often used in some particular way it doesn't mean that it's the only way to use it. WordPress as a CMS doesn't have these limitations that you think it has. And yes, you may need to code to get custom results, but the kind of sites you have used as an example very likely weren't just an off-the-shelf product either.

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Tactical1

9 years ago

Originally Posted by savidge4

Part of the issue as I see it is with Wordpress the introduction of "Posts" as compared to pages. I know the general consensus is pages and post are the same. If that were the case then there would be a silo plugin using posts.. and that simply does not exist.

There are no silo plugins for posts as posts are not intended to ever be a part of the sites core navigational hierarchy. For instance, you will never see a specific blog post in a website's main navigation. So there's no need to have a silo plugin for posts.

A core example of a silo would be as follows:

Plumbing
- Bathroom plumbing
-- Toilet repair

The above wouldn't be setup as posts as posts are designed, purely for organizational purposes, to be a part of the blog. Which again, your core navigation shouldn't come from your blog regardless of what platform you're using. Even if you're using pages as blog articles the same would still hold true. So the difference between a page and a post is strictly organizational for the most part.

There are plenty of blog posts that rank well for competitive terms. I also know of sites receiving 100k+ uniques per month in mostly organic traffic built on WordPress and WP is the most popular platform in use right now.

As far as ranking and gaining links. If you're going to guest blog do NOT link to subpages. Link to your homepage and do not optimize the anchor text. Also, be sure to only submit to high quality sites with strict editorial guidelines. Don't over-use this method.

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beautyuno1

9 years ago

Dear Savidge4, thanks for your detailed reply.I really appreciate it. I read always your comments and have to say with respect, they are always great. Thanks again,

Nora

Originally Posted by savidge4

I honestly believe that working within the framework of Wordpress in the realm of SEO you are at a disadvantage. If you start looking at high and super high competition keywords ( like xbox as an example ) the first thing I notice is that Wordpress built sites are usually not on page one.

Part of the issue as I see it is with Wordpress the introduction of "Posts" as compared to pages. I know the general consensus is pages and post are the same. If that were the case then there would be a silo plugin using posts.. and that simply does not exist.

Posts in Wordpress are referenced by date before anything. so a post you made yesterday is directly linked to the post made today, and the post made today will be linked to the post made tomorrow. In Silo structure the posts are connected by topic and not date.

I have developed what I call "Hay Baling" ( if a silo holds wheat.. in relation to posts we are going to stack hay ) In the method above you make a post on say "Red" the next day "Blue" and the next day "Green". Red blue and green may be related by a broad topic but in relation in terms of a more defined context, they simply may not work well together.

Part of UX ( User Experience ) principles is to display a topic and then closely related topics of interest. If you get a person that clicks on a search engine link that wants to know about Facebook.. and in the pagination you have links to Twitter and Pinterest.. they may be the same over all topic but not exactly. The reader reads the article.. and then more than likely bounces.

What Hay Baling does is understanding that concept you need to group like article together at the point of publishing. 3+ Articles on Facebook. 3+ articles on Twitter 3+ articles on Pinterest. I say 3+ because I personally have found 5 to work really well. 3 is the least needed and more than 5 is beyond a pain in the butt.

So why does this work... a couple of reasons. #1 the UX factor. regardless of where in that hay bale a user may land there is at least 1 other topic related article and in the middle there would be 2. #2 By using the pagination function in Wordpress in this manor by default you start the process of onsite context based cross linking.

The whole process is really a pain in the ask end to maintain, but particularly in the development stage of a site I have found it to be very beneficial in getting terms to populate and rank quickly and well.

what I tend to do after a site is up and running is write say a 3000 word piece of content. I break this up into 5 parts. Part 1 part 2 part 3 etc... I then publish this backwards last article first. The reason I do this is so when you are looking at say related posts Article 1 is on top of the list ( they display by date newest first )

On articles 2 3 4 and 5 I will have a text link towards the top of the page pointing to post #1. At this point if you look at onsite cross linking Posts 2 3 and 4 each have 2 internal links by context. By adding the links to posts 2 3 4 and 5 back to page 1 ( starting to loosely resemble Silo structure ) Page 1 is covered. Page 5 is the only one left in the dark a bit. - but the you ask the question do you want the last page of a 5 part series to rank anyways?

Once you have done this a few times writing this gets easier. Page one would be an introduction this articles is going to be about.... and then you get into your primary target word. Page 2 you move into keyword 2 and maybe 3 Page 3 the same page 4 the same. Page 5 then rounds up the whole article.

If the keyword selection is correct in this process what starts happening is #1 you start developing consistent rankings #2 you start developing Page Authority ( PA ) and #3 your start increasing your Domain Authority ( DA ) what happens at this point is you can start targeting terms that are a bit more competitive. and the cycle rinses and repeats

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jessikaload

9 years ago

Create some infographics related to your posts And submit your inforgraphics into inforgraphics sharing sites.You can get quality backlinks via this.

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NilimaSarasvati

Banned 9 years ago

This is what everybody is seeking for, this is somewhat tough to get traffic. You need to do huge amount of link-building in High PR site and along with this use different social networking site. There is one more technique which I used to get huge traffic i.e QnA in Quora.

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uday11

9 years ago

Ok., now search for those keywords in google, and see which websites are listed. Open a couple of them and check on which date the article / blog post is written. If the article is too old but still ranking, you can contact the webmaster to ask and update with your link.

For example if i'm writing an article about : how to gain traffic via guest post

when i searched the same, i found 4 websites with articles nearly written a year ago., i would request those 4 websites to update the same with my article or else provide a link in the same saying that "Update version on how to gain traffic via guest post".,

success percent is very low but still one link would definitely give your website a huge boost.

Cheers.,

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ncloud

9 years ago

Thanks guys. So Google+, Twitter, and Facebook have nofollow links. It's sounding like guest posting is basically how everybody gets their posts on their own site ranking. That sucks, I guess I'll have to create even more content for that. Will it take a lot of guest posts or just a couple?

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jameswilliam724

9 years ago

Contents curation is a new strategy that we can share our links in some categories or create a board then share it on your board. It will build up more back links to your article post.
Image sharing is another boost up. Some image sharing websites that allow us to share our link. It will automatically get back links.
So that your post will get decent rank.

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foysolahmed

9 years ago

You can do web 2.0 blogs for get high quality backlinks and you will get ranking on search engine.

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th3technician

9 years ago

Share You Post In Social media GOOGLEP+,Twitter ....

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wisehouse

9 years ago

Article submission can be of great help too

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Rocket Fuel

9 years ago

@savidge4 and @nettiapina Have put some really great work into some of the more technical SEO information. Good insight from both!

Backlinks

How quality are your articles? - Are they original. Well written. Around 2,000+ words. Great visuals. Have unique ideas?

Then look up articles that are outranking you. At least top 20. Look at their backlinks. Then reach out to bloggers suggesting that you have a unique piece of content that would look good next to the other content.

Make Infographic for the post. Post the infographic around the web on visualy and other infographic submission sites. Do google image alert. When the infographic pops up. Ask the person to link to your article.

Connect with influencers on twitter, facebook, wherever they hang out. Share your article with them.

Share your article in forums for your community.

Make a slideshare post for each article linking to the article in your slideshare description.

Send traffic referencing article in guest posts. Find blogs with good guest posting guidelines. Regardless of no-follow links you can still obtain traffic from these sites.

Paid post promotion on Facebook. If it's quality you might get some links that way.

Your content must be different. Unique, and beneficial.

Good luck!

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ncloud

9 years ago

Contents curation is a new strategy that we can share our links in some categories or create a board then share it on your board. It will build up more back links to your article post.

What is a board? Where do you do this, Facebook?

Image sharing is another boost up. Some image sharing websites that allow us to share our link. It will automatically get back links.

You mean a site like Flickr?

You can do web 2.0 blogs for get high quality backlinks and you will get ranking on search engine.

You mean something like Hubpages?

Share You Post In Social media GOOGLEP+,Twitter

Nettiapina already mentioned that you get nofollow links from those places so I don't see how that would help a post rank.

Article submission can be of great help too

Submitting to where - directories like EzineArticles?

from lower mid to low competition terms.. I rank all the time without a single back link and on new domains.

I did go after mid to low competition keywords so maybe I just need to give it more time. Any idea how long they take to rank?

As far as ranking and gaining links. If you're going to guest blog do NOT link to subpages. Link to your homepage and do not optimize the anchor text.

I don't understand why you would do that. How would a link to your homepage help your internal pages to rank? I thought the whole point was to link the guest post to an internal post with your main keyword in the anchor text?

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savidge4 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ncloud

I did go after mid to low competition keywords so maybe I just need to give it more time. Any idea how long they take to rank?

In more than most cases, with the exception of brand new page nothing indexed yet.. we are talking days here.

You should be able to adjust and monitor outcome maybe 2 times a week ( maybe 3 times every 2 weeks ). So you get your initial rank and we will say it is page 3. you can go in and make some modifications, and 2 or 3 days later see where it is ( Page 2 ), and then again make some modifications. it returns you are back to page 3, modify back and get the page 2 result a few days later.. make another modification and hit page 1 etc
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Tactical1

9 years ago

I highly recommend doing a lot of reading on "Google Penguin" before proceeding with link building. Else, you're going to implement a lot of tactics that will get your site penalized in the long run. Submitting to directories are terrible back links and if you do it enough you will hurt your rankings.

As far as guest blogging, Google has issued manual penalties to sites for using this tactic and Matt Cutts (head of their spam team) wrote a blog about how the practice is no longer acceptable and can be penalized. There's a lot to it, and too much to summarize in a post, which is why I highly suggest doing a lot of reading first.

To summarize though, you do not want to over-optimize any back link. In other words, fixing the anchor text towards a keyword is something the algorithm can easily identify and penalize your site for. This used to be a great tactic, but is no longer viable, a lot has changed in the past few years. Building manual back links into a subpage is another example of over optimization to which again the algorithm will catch and penalize.

The benefit to sending the back links to your home page is that they appear *more natural and thus run lower risk of presenting any harm. Further, it will increase the page rank for your homepage, which eventually trickles down to all of the other pages on your site, then boosting your subpages ability to rank as well.

That said, any form of manual link building needs to be approached with caution, it needs to be diverse and done as cleanly as possible.

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kavyaanjali

9 years ago

hey
i use blog post, QnA, forum post , info-graphics to get traffic on my website. these all help to increase page rank since all these post contain some keywords related to your website.

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Mehwish84

9 years ago

After ON-Page SEO I personially use local business listing
forum posting
blog commenting
classified ads posting
and web. 2.0

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