Building backlinks... for your competitor!?!?

15 years ago

No, backlinks can only improve your ability to rank no matter what keywords are used. You may rank end up helping them rank for something tehy don't actually want to, but that won't hurt them in any way.

There's no practical way to damage a competitor through linking practices. (There ARE ways, but they are not guaranteed, are expensive, and therefore, not practical.)

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Bondtana 15 years ago

Well I wasnt thinking about hurting them, more about helping myself MORE than I'm helping them.
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LookItsMeTerryG

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

There's no practical way to damage a competitor through linking practices. (There ARE ways, but they are not guaranteed, are expensive, and therefore, not practical.)

Not really true. I've seen many a blackhatter do a run with something like xrumer and build 200,000 incoming viagra links to a legitimate competitor and completely ruined their relevancy. This is normally followed by hiring a botnet to ddos the site, making it inaccessible for 48-72 hours. Trust me, this'll knock out the MAJORITY of the sites out there.

costs about $30 altogether

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Keith Kogane

15 years ago

Originally Posted by LookItsMeTerryG

Not really true. I've seen many a BlueFartter do a run with something like xrumer and build 200,000 incoming viagra links to a legitimate competitor and completely ruined their relevancy. This is normally followed by hiring a botnet to ddos the site, making it inaccessible for 48-72 hours. Trust me, this'll knock out the MAJORITY of the sites out there.

costs about $30 altogether

XRumer costs like almost $600 right? And then you have to know where to hire a ddos attack out. I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was an impractical way for most folks to go about attacking a competitor.

Once you're talking about bringing blackhatters into the mix, you're talking about a skillset and pool of resources that are outside of the range of most people here.

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LookItsMeTerryG

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

XRumer costs like almost $600 right? And then you have to know where to hire a ddos attack out. I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was an impractical way for most folks to go about attacking a competitor.

Once you're talking about bringing BlueFartters into the mix, you're talking about a skillset and pool of resources that are outside of the range of most people here.

You can hire people on BHW or similar to do an XRumer run for $5-$20 depending on how many links you want. DDOS, same thing. Agreed though, it is impractical for most of the users here.

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adamv

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Bondtana

I read that it's beneficial to have backlinks from the same sites as another site that is ranking well for one of your keywords.

If you set up a backlink for yourself with the proper anchor text and set up one for the site ranking #1 (with no anchor text, or a random off topic anchor text), would that be beneficial to you?

Just a thought...

I don't see how getting a link for your competitor and yourself at the same time can help you in any way. I suspect that you may have heard and misunderstood another common piece of advice which is to see where your competitors are getting their links from and see if you can get some links from that source as well.

The benefit does not come from both of you having a link from the same place, the benefit to you would come from simply finding more backlinking sources for yourself.

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GuerrillaIM

15 years ago

I think you might be referring to the way SEO's get single page content to rank.

For instance if I want to get a single page site for "shovels" to rank. I link it to the "shovel" wiki page. I link it to the "shovel" search on yahoo news and so on.

I only have 1 page of content but it link to other autority pages with relevent content so google likes it.

Now if I spam some backlinks with the right anchor text I can rank it even though its a single page site.

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Bondtana

15 years ago

Hmm. I thought I read somewhere that if you have blinks from the same sites as the #1 ranker, those blinks are deemed more relevant than others in google's eyes.

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melanied 15 years ago

I think you're overthinking it, overcomplicating it. Just build great links for yourself and let the chips fall. It's worked for many people in here!
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adamv

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Bondtana

Hmm. I thought I read somewhere that if you have blinks from the same sites as the #1 ranker, those blinks are deemed more relevant than others in google's eyes.

The thought process behind that is that the links that the #1 ranker has are what got that site to number one. Therefore if you want to rank higher you can spy on your competition and reverse engineer what they're doing. The benefit comes from finding more places that you can get backlinks from not from the fact that the outgoing links from a particular site are similar in anyway.

What makes a link "relevant" would be the content on the page and weather it's similar to the content on your page that you are trying to link to.

If a site about weight loss is getting links from a dog training blog it's not "relevant" and if you then get links from the same dog training blog to your weight loss site that would not make it relevant just because there are now more weight loss sites getting links from it.

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Bondtana

15 years ago

Overcomplicating is what I do!

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firewife

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Bondtana

I read that it's beneficial to have backlinks from the same sites as another site that is ranking well for one of your keywords.

If you set up a backlink for yourself with the proper anchor text and set up one for the site ranking #1 (with no anchor text, or a random off topic anchor text), would that be beneficial to you?

Just a thought...

some people just very creative
Building backlinks for your competitor? wow , what a new SEO tecnique

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firewife

15 years ago

so i got the logic--u are trying to buliding irrelevent links for your competitors
then u could have less competition of ur own keyword
is that what u mean ?

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Bondtana 15 years ago

The whole idea was based on the assumption that google puts more value in the backlinks of the #1 ranker. Apparently I was mistaken.

If you and the #1 ranker were getting a link from the same site and that would make that link a more valuable link.

Then from there you could link your competitor to "pig sandal thong" and you could link to "my widget".

Therefore, your link would be more valuable than theirs.

Essentially, you would be adding value to the site you are backlinking on, by adding the #1 site's backlink to it.
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- adamv 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Bondtana
  
  The whole idea was based on the assumption that google puts more value in the backlinks of the #1 ranker. Apparently I was mistaken.
  
  That assumption is backwards. Google doesn't put more value on the links pointing to a #1 ranker. A #1 ranker achieves that ranking by finding and aquiring quality backlinks. The backlinks don't become valuable after some super star site gets them pointing in their direction.
  
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