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Has anyone tried creating articles and submitting to Wikipedia to generate links? Not considering broken link building from wikis. Was it effective? How far did it go?

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  • Profile picture of the author MRseo007
    yes, its really effective also increase your website page ranks.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisjohn93
      Wiki Links is helpful to get rank better your keyword,it doesn't increase your page rank.

      Originally Posted by MRseo007 View Post

      yes, its really effective also increase your website page ranks.
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  • Profile picture of the author cookiesfromhome
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    This is an important method to increase keyword ranking in search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Originally Posted by rdimabuyu View Post

    Has anyone tried creating articles and submitting to Wikipedia to generate links?
    Those links are nofollow. Why would you want such links?

    Note how the two "yeah it works" comments above mine are from a SEO swindler and a signature spammer. If you're going to post crap content to a site at least make sure that it actually works for your purposes. Don't be like these two morons.

    Wikipedia tends to be very selective, and there might not be any real reason for them to publish or not publish a page. So the links are not helping you in any way, but you might not even get a page up even if it was for a legitimate topic.

    If you're talking about Wiki links in general - yeah, they may work depending on the site. Wiki is a type of site and a type of CMS, not a shorthand for Wikipedia.
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    • Profile picture of the author rdimabuyu
      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      Those links are nofollow. Why would you want such links?

      Note how the two "yeah it works" comments above mine are from a SEO swindler and a signature spammer. If you're going to post crap content to a site at least make sure that it actually works for your purposes. Don't be like these two morons.

      Wikipedia tends to be very selective, and there might not be any real reason for them to publish or not publish a page. So the links are not helping you in any way, but you might not even get a page up even if it was for a legitimate topic.

      If you're talking about Wiki links in general - yeah, they may work depending on the site. Wiki is a type of site and a type of CMS, not a shorthand for Wikipedia.
      Ohh, sorry for the misleading title.. It was meant for Wikipedia.. Thank you for the clear insight..
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  • Profile picture of the author arpitagarwal82
    Wikipedia is a high authority website. even if the link from Wikipedia is nofollow, it helps alot in SEO. if your website is linked from wikipedia, google sees it as an autority.

    So no matter what people say, if you can get a link from wikipedia, go for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by arpitagarwal82 View Post

      Wikipedia is a high authority website. even if the link from Wikipedia is nofollow, it helps alot in SEO. if your website is linked from wikipedia, google sees it as an autority.
      No, they do not. There's a weird notion of "authority" that some people believe in, and others try to push for profit (like this guy here). Authority is more or less the same as high PR. You get a bunch of good "followed" links, and your site seems like an authority from Google's point of view. It's not more complicated than that.

      You can always ask these guys to explain their stuff, and they never can. It's not based on any real information, just wishful thinking or unethical sales tactics.

      Originally Posted by ElleHarries View Post

      Wiki Links definitely have advantage effect for SEO purposes to increase your keywords ranking.
      It is obvios to see that Wiki is an good online traffic source because It has millions of unique visitors a day but it’s not as easy as it sounds.
      Why would it increase keyword rankings? Because you say so? Explain your claim.

      And no, WikiPEDIA is not a good traffic source in most cases. Very few users click the links because the articles are intended to have enough information.
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      • Profile picture of the author arpitagarwal82
        Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

        No, they do not. There's a weird notion of "authority" that some people believe in, and others try to push for profit (like this guy here). Authority is more or less the same as high PR. You get a bunch of good "followed" links, and your site seems like an authority from Google's point of view. It's not more complicated than that.

        You can always ask these guys to explain their stuff, and they never can. It's not based on any real information, just wishful thinking or unethical sales tactics.
        Have you actually ever tried a real wikipedia link?
        So you are saying that google treats the backlink from every site as equal? Really?
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        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
          Originally Posted by arpitagarwal82 View Post

          Have you actually ever tried a real wikipedia link?
          So you are saying that google treats the backlink from every site as equal? Really?
          Yes. It did absolutely nothing. As it should: it's a nofollow link on a non-popular page that's not exactly well-linked.

          Where did I ever say anything that even points to that direction? Did you seriously understand something that wrong, or are you trying to put words in my mouth?
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          This is a link on a Wikipedia page: <td><a rel="nofollow" class="external text" href="http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2015/en#/R63.4">R63.4</a></td>


          Did you notice the
          rel="nofollow"
          tag?

          That's Wikipedia telling Google not to pass link juice or anchor text.

          And, do you know what Google will do when it comes to this link?

          It will do as asked.

          And, do you know what that means?

          It means the link does not help the page it leads to rank higher in Google.

          And, do you know what that means?

          It means that links from Wikipedia don't help with SEO, just like Nettiapina told you.

          OP, it used to be, during the Pleistocene period of the internet, that Wikipedia links helped with SEO. No more.

          Originally Posted by prajakta279 View Post

          Wiki is high authority site and backlink from it would be very useful for your site from SEO point of view.
          Originally Posted by charlesdavis View Post

          It is effective but you do not able for approval you created post in wikkipedia until you have the reputed resource link to attached with.
          Originally Posted by chrisjohn93 View Post

          Wiki Links is helpful to get rank better your keyword,it doesn't increase your page rank.
          Originally Posted by patco View Post

          Yes, this is a good way to boost your website ranking.. But be sure to make everything look NATURAL!
          Originally Posted by mhammad1223 View Post

          yes it really work for ranking
          Originally Posted by arpitagarwal82 View Post

          Have you actually ever tried a real wikipedia link?
          So you are saying that google treats the backlink from every site as equal? Really?
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  • Profile picture of the author AadhyaMehra
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    Wiki links are very effective to rank any website.
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  • Profile picture of the author ElleHarries
    Wiki Links definitely have advantage effect for SEO purposes to increase your keywords ranking.
    It is obvios to see that Wiki is an good online traffic source because It has millions of unique visitors a day but it’s not as easy as it sounds.
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  • Profile picture of the author mhammad1223
    yes it really work for ranking
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    Yes, this is a good way to boost your website ranking.. But be sure to make everything look NATURAL!
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      Yes, this is a good way to boost your website ranking.. But be sure to make everything look NATURAL!
      No, it's not. You're not reading any comments, are you? It's explained above. If you have no idea what you're talking about you should stop posting nonsense and start reading the threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbsnetworks
    When i was tried to find the dead links on wiki page and added some my site links after two or three days the links has been removed.
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  • Profile picture of the author charlesdavis
    It is effective but you do not able for approval you created post in wikkipedia until you have the reputed resource link to attached with.
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    • Profile picture of the author prajakta279
      Wiki is high authority site and backlink from it would be very useful for your site from SEO point of view.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by tbsnetworks View Post

        When i was tried to find the dead links on wiki page and added some my site links after two or three days the links has been removed.
        Sure. Why would they just accept a new link from some random nobody that seems to be just spamming the site?

        I was able to sort of use this method, but the dead link pointed to my own website in the first place. I simply put the article back. And no, it did absolutely nothing, but I can feel good about the fact that Wikipedia links to my site.

        Originally Posted by chrisjohn93 View Post

        Wiki Links is helpful to get rank better your keyword,it doesn't increase your page rank.
        Originally Posted by charlesdavis View Post

        It is effective but you do not able for approval you created post in wikkipedia until you have the reputed resource link to attached with.
        Originally Posted by prajakta279 View Post

        Wiki is high authority site and backlink from it would be very useful for your site from SEO point of view.
        I'm not sure what's your excuse for acting stupid. This stuff has been repeatedly explained in this same thread, and it's SEO 101.

        Is there some part of the word "nofollow" that you don't understand? It's eight frigging letters, and the concept is not hard. A kid in kindergarten would probably get it. Actually, someone should make a hand puppet show or lego demonstration about nofollow. Maybe we'd have less of this asinine crap if there was a source that teaches the SEO newbies on the correct skill level.
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  • Profile picture of the author dewalds86
    I would imagine that links from WikiPedia would be nofollow links. I do however think those nofollow links would help your seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by sajid israq View Post

      its really very effective and important method to rank your website or blog.
      What's your excuse? You just want to increase your post count?

      Originally Posted by dewalds86 View Post

      I would imagine that links from WikiPedia would be nofollow links. I do however think those nofollow links would help your seo.
      It's refreshing to see someone flat out admit that they just believe for no good reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author arpita12
    Wiki links are very effective to get your website rank
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      You don't read much, do you?

      They're not useful for SEO as they have the 'nofollow' tag.

      Originally Posted by arpita12 View Post

      Wiki links are very effective to get your website rank
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      • Profile picture of the author sabir123
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        You don't read much, do you?

        They're not useful for SEO as they have the 'nofollow' tag.
        Even if the links are nofollow, they provide a major role in the SERPS of a website.These links will surely help you, just make a check if the OBL is not too high, just the problem with the nofollow link is they donot pas the PR or you can say authority but still a good way to create links..
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathongs
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          I Think Google likes mixed types of backlinks dofollow, nofollow, edu gov and wiki backlinks more over the backlinks need to be more natural on the eye of google algorighom.
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          How, if they are nofollow?

          Nofollow passes no juice. If it passes no juice, no authority, no mojo, no nothing, how do they help?

          Really, if you say they help SEO, how do they do it? By what mechanism? I ask because the only mechanism Google has acknowledge is the passing of juice with links that don't have the nofollow tag.

          Originally Posted by sabir123 View Post

          Even if the links are nofollow, they provide a major role in the SERPS of a website.These links will surely help you, just make a check if the OBL is not too high, just the problem with the nofollow link is they donot pas the PR or you can say authority but still a good way to create links..
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          • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            How, if they are nofollow?

            Nofollow passes no juice. If it passes no juice, no authority, no mojo, no nothing, how do they help?

            Really, if you say they help SEO, how do they do it? By what mechanism? I ask because the only mechanism Google has acknowledge is the passing of juice with links that don't have the nofollow tag.
            Is that really true?

            Let's say you made 2 websites, they were as similar to each other as they can possibly be without being duplicates.

            Over the next year one website got zero links to it. The other website got many links from the homepage of large websites like Amazon, Wall Street Journal, CNN, Microsoft, Apple, Netflix, BBC, etc. But all of those links were nofollow.

            Would both of those websites rank exactly the same?

            From what we were told, they would both rank exactly the same. But in reality...?
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

              But in reality...?
              In reality that kind of thought experiment doesn't matter. The other site is apparently getting some pretty nice press, and even if the big ones were all nofollow (they aren't) they'd probably get some blog hits and other mentions from that.
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              • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
                Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

                In reality that kind of thought experiment doesn't matter. The other site is apparently getting some pretty nice press, and even if the big ones were all nofollow (they aren't) they'd probably get some blog hits and other mentions from that.
                You are copping out.

                Please just answer the question with the parameters given.

                I think the reason why you are avoiding this is because it shows that deep down you would agree that in the exact situation I gave, the website with all the nofollow links from the big sites would rank higher, showing that nofollow links do have -some- type of bearing/signal/weight/(whatever you'd like to call it) on Google ranking.

                Here's the thing, I am not the one saying that, I am just an interested observer. It's YOU who is saying it by avoiding the question. If you are unwilling to give an honest answer, you must be hiding something...
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                • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                  Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                  You are copping out.
                  No. I'm pointing out that your whole question is pointless. If you want thought experiments there's absolutely no point in adding something like "in reality".

                  If you get nofollow links they should not aid you directly. Indirectly? Sure, that's a possibility.

                  It's very rare to get a fixed link that will stay on the front page of a very strong website for an extended period of time. So the links would fall out from at least four of the examples you had, and probably from all of them. If a news site writes about your company the link is in a news article that ends up in the archive in couple of hours. That's another major problem.

                  It's also very hard or even impossible to measure the effectiveness of any single backlink.

                  Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post


                  I think the reason why you are avoiding this is because it shows that deep down you would agree that in the exact situation I gave,
                  I can give you the "Full of Shit Award" for that line. I just loathe people who try to put words in my mouth, and that's all you're doing here. Except that you somehow went even further with your dishonesty.

                  No, I do not agree with you. Not even a bit. Not deep down, not out loud.

                  Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                  Here's the thing, I am not the one saying that, I am just an interested observer. It's YOU who is saying it by avoiding the question. If you are unwilling to give an honest answer, you must be hiding something...
                  Nice act of self-deception you've got going there. I'm not quite sure how you can even write something like that, and not immediately realize that it sounds completely ludicrous.

                  Also, did you completely forget the second paragraph of your previous post? It's there for everyone to see.

                  You're the one making statements that go against the commonly known facts, and what Google is saying about their engine. You're the one suggesting that things that don't seem to work do because of, you know, reasons. Crappy circular rhetorics or not being honest enough to talk directly do not change that fact.
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                  • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
                    Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

                    No. I'm pointing out that your whole question is pointless.
                    My question wasn't pointless, it definitely pointed something out.

                    It showed that you and DABK, the two loudest yellers about how they know everything, completely (and conveniently) ignored the simple question I asked. You two will do anything but answer it, look at what DABK did citing every other possible scenario other than the simple one that I stated.

                    There has got to be a reason for why you are fighting so hard yet unwilling to answer my simple question, I am assuming that it's because my question shows you that you have been wrong. That's just an assumption, I do not know for sure. I know Google has made a statement about how much a nofollow link is worth, but I do not know if what they said is exactly true. I admit that. It's you two who seem to know everything, yet can't (or refuse to) answer a simple question.

                    My question is still there.
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                    • Profile picture of the author DABK
                      Did you read what I wrote?

                      If you're not loaded or are loaded and have great content, some of the visitors will link to you from their sites, some of the links will come without the nofollow tag, and you'll rank higher in Google.


                      The above paragraph is part of what I wrote.

                      The objection is that the nofollow links have a direct bearing on SEO.

                      Indirect ways abound: you can advertise in the local paper and get some people to link back to you.

                      Your scenario does in no way address a direct mechanism, a direct connection...



                      Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                      My question wasn't pointless, it definitely pointed something out.

                      It showed that you and DABK, the two loudest yellers about how they know everything, completely (and conveniently) ignored the simple question I asked. You two will do anything but answer it, look at what DABK did citing every other possible scenario other than the simple one that I stated.

                      There has got to be a reason for why you are fighting so hard yet unwilling to answer my simple question, I am assuming that it's because my question shows you that you have been wrong. That's just an assumption, I do not know for sure. I know Google has made a statement about how much a nofollow link is worth, but I do not know if what they said is exactly true. I admit that. It's you two who seem to know everything, yet can't (or refuse to) answer a simple question.

                      My question is still there.
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                      • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
                        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                        Did you read what I wrote?
                        Yes, I did. And as I said, you keep writing out these scenarios which have nothing to do with what I asked.

                        If you're not loaded or are loaded and have great content, some of the visitors will link to you from their sites, some of the links will come without the nofollow tag, and you'll rank higher in Google.
                        My question does not include other people linking to the site.
                        The above paragraph is part of what I wrote.
                        And it is what I said, you finding every other type of situation that you can except for the one I actually asked about.

                        The objection is that the nofollow links have a direct bearing on SEO.
                        And that is why I asked the question in the first place.

                        Your scenario does in no way address a direct mechanism, a direct connection...
                        Yes, it most certainly does, if you stop adding things to it that aren't part of the question.

                        The question is extremely simple. Just answer it. Two websites, almost the same. One has many nofollow links from the homepages of top sites. Nothing else, no other links, no one is talking about it, no SEO, or anything. The second site has nothing, no links, no one is talking about it.

                        Will both sites rank exactly the same? It's a yes or no answer. I really hate the way you are making me pull teeth to get such a simple answer to a very easy question.
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                        • Profile picture of the author DABK
                          They will rank the same, if the only difference is that one has nofollow and only nofollow backlinks and the other one has no links.

                          And that answer was given several times before. Nofollow do not pass link juice, so they do not help your SEO.

                          Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                          Yes, I did. And as I said, you keep writing out these scenarios which have nothing to do with what I asked.

                          My question does not include other people linking to the site.
                          And it is what I said, you finding every other type of situation that you can except for the one I actually asked about.

                          And that is why I asked the question in the first place.



                          Yes, it most certainly does, if you stop adding things to it that aren't part of the question.

                          The question is extremely simple. Just answer it. Two websites, almost the same. One has many nofollow links from the homepages of top sites. Nothing else, no other links, no one is talking about it, no SEO, or anything. The second site has nothing, no links, no one is talking about it.

                          Will both sites rank exactly the same? It's a yes or no answer. I really hate the way you are making me pull teeth to get such a simple answer to a very easy question.
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                          • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
                            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                            They will rank the same, if the only difference is that one has nofollow and only nofollow backlinks and the other one has no links.

                            And that answer was given several times before. Nofollow do not pass link juice, so they do not help your SEO.
                            No, the answer that was given before was "Google says....". I am asking what you truly believe happens.
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                            • Profile picture of the author DABK
                              Read posts 9,11,14,20,34. They all say nofollow links don't help.

                              It has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with facts.

                              Fact 1. I did a couple of experiments in which for the space of a week at a time, I got nothing but nofollow links to sites that had no backlinks. Then waited 2 months to see what happens.

                              Fact 2. Nothing happened.

                              Fact 3. I got a bunch of backlinks that did not have the nofollow tag to sites that had no backlinks. Within 2 weeks I was on page 2 for some keywords, within 3 I was in the middle of page 1.

                              All were wordpress sites with similar content in the same niche.

                              Your question was answered many times before. You not liking the answer is not the same as the question was not answered.

                              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                              No, the answer that was given before was "Google says....". I am asking what you truly believe happens.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                      Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                      My question wasn't pointless, it definitely pointed something out.
                      Yes indeed. Your delusions, and lack of both honesty and understanding.

                      It showed that you and DABK, the two loudest yellers about how they know everything, completely (and conveniently) ignored the simple question I asked.
                      Maybe you should just stop lying. Anyone can scroll back and read my reply. Again, if you're buying your own lies it doesn't mean that anyone else will. You just seem even more dishonest.

                      I said:
                      "If you get nofollow links they should not aid you directly."

                      You can also scroll to the top and see my first post to the thread. My stance should be clear.

                      So me and DABK both happened to think that the answer is "no", but gave other ways in which the link could still help. I think that's how these discussion could benefit someone who's not into a game of bizarro semantics.

                      My question is still there.
                      That's only because you're either too dense or dishonest. Take your pick.
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                      • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
                        You keep talking about lies and dishonesty, when its you who is lying to yourself.

                        I am not going to go back and forth with you all day, you have proven my point already.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                          Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                          You keep talking about lies and dishonesty, when its you who is lying to yourself.
                          About what? Dude, I got you in the act and pointed it out. "Uh nuh, you're it" is a pretty weak defense.

                          We've yet to see a solid argument from you, BTW. All that posturing doesn't help.
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                          • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
                            I'm not here to argue. I was very, very clear when I said that I truly don't know either way. It's only you two that seem to know everything, yet when I ask a simple question you conveniently ignore it.

                            Since it's clear that all you want to do is let everyone know how smart you are and argue with anyone getting in your way, I'm going to let you have the last word like you so clearly want.
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                            • Profile picture of the author DABK
                              Yet you argued. And no, I don't know everything. I know that Google said nofollow links don't help and that my experiments with them showed that they do not.

                              Your simple question came after it was answered clearly: nofollow links do not pass link juice. Therefore, they do not help you rank higher in Google.

                              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                              I'm not here to argue. I was very, very clear when I said that I truly don't know either way. It's only you two that seem to know everything, yet when I ask a simple question you conveniently ignore it.

                              Since it's clear that all you want to do is let everyone know how smart you are and argue with anyone getting in your way, I'm going to let you have the last word like you so clearly want.
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                            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                              I'm not here to argue. I was very, very clear when I said that I truly don't know either way. It's only you two that seem to know everything, yet when I ask a simple question you conveniently ignore it.
                              I had posted several comments to this thread before you asked your question. I answered it for you, because that seemed like something you want for some reason even though my answer is known already. Your question is not in vacuum. This is a forum thread, and it would be quite silly to repeat obvious stuff in every post.

                              And still, even your question wasn't "conveniently ignored". This all is documented in the thread. So maybe you didn't get an immediate reply to something that was already done to death. So what?

                              You're pretty deep already. Should you perhaps just stop digging?

                              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                              Since it's clear that all you want to do is let everyone know how smart you are and argue with anyone getting in your way, I'm going to let you have the last word like you so clearly want.
                              Please do argue. You haven't done any. Right now just posting these weak taunts ("oh you're so smart, oh you know everything") like they helped anyone.

                              This is a pretty small technical detail, and SEO basics. It in no way speaks about anyone's knowledge. It's the crayon drawings of stick figures.

                              I would change my opinion if there was credible evidence about nofollow passing something. I would even entertain a logical argument on why Google would benefit from passing value with nofollow. I've seen neither. I'd be pretty ashamed if this all turned to be the opposite way, but I'd still change my opinion. It's not like this is some sort of tenet that has to be this way.


                              (Whoops, DABK said about the same thing but was way more concise and polite. Well, I'm not deleting! )
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              If you get many links from the homepages of such sites, you're either loaded or you've got great content. In either case, you get visitors from those sites.

              If you're loaded but have great content, nothing happens.

              If you're not loaded or are loaded and have great content, some of the visitors will link to you from their sites, some of the links will come without the nofollow tag, and you'll rank higher in Google.

              Or, maybe, the visitors have pitiful sites that get de-indexed or porno sites and such and your site's ranking does not change.

              Or, maybe, the link to you with the words, 'bad ass site' and you rank for the words bad ass and never make a penny because the people who google bad ass are not interested in forex trading or the most awesome backlinking technique.

              Or, maybe, none of the visitors are site owners and none of them, therefore, can give you a link, let alone one that comes without the nofollow tag, and then, you're at the same point, from a ranking point of view, as the site that did not get the amazon.com, CNN, etc. links.

              To make money online, you need to develop strategies that work. To develop strategies that work, especially to do it fast and economically, you need to be clear on how things work.

              Nofollow links, from the right sites, can get you visitors. They may even get you visitors that will link to you. And your site may end up ranking. But is it a good strategy? And, from the point of view of people on this forum, do you have the skills to produce content that people will feel compelled to link to?

              So, in reality, the site without links will be on page 165 in Google and the site with links from amazon.com, etc., will be on page 137 in Google.

              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

              Is that really true?

              Let's say you made 2 websites, they were as similar to each other as they can possibly be without being duplicates.

              Over the next year one website got zero links to it. The other website got many links from the homepage of large websites like Amazon, Wall Street Journal, CNN, Microsoft, Apple, Netflix, BBC, etc. But all of those links were nofollow.

              Would both of those websites rank exactly the same?

              From what we were told, they would both rank exactly the same. But in reality...?
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    This is the best way to improve your high authority backlinks to your web site.
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    Wiki pedia link is fruitful but creating link on it is so hard.
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    Yes we get nofollow links from Wikipedia but still they have worth and considered by Google as far as i think.
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    matt cutts on no follow on wikipedia

    It's a bit old but I've seen nothing to contradict it.

    From my own experience Wikipedia is a great way to get human traffic to authority sites and even for selling kindle books.
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      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      matt cutts on no follow on wikipedia

      It's a bit old but I've seen nothing to contradict it.

      From my own experience Wikipedia is a great way to get human traffic to authority sites and even for selling kindle books.
      Matt Cutts works for Google. His loyalties lie with Google. His job is in the web spam department trying to stop people from gaining rank by doing anything other than making a great site and letting it organically rank dependent on its value.

      So it stands to reason that some of what he tells people might not be 100% correct. If he was to say that nofollow links from Wikipedia help a slight bit, you can bet your ass that half of the interweb would become Wiki editors the next day
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    There is a link wiki is great for websites are SEO.
    I do not know how to get?
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        So now the thread degenerated to Yoda-talk. Brilliant.

        Nofollow links from any site do not help for SEO.
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      Originally Posted by magebay View Post

      There is a link wiki is great for websites are SEO.
      I do not know how to get?
      Link Wiki is great for website are SEO, just like you said.
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      Originally Posted by wikilink View Post

      As we all know there are many opinions and individual cases in point of SEO. In respect of all those, we experienced that real authority backlinks from sites like Wikipedia can really make the difference between you and your competitors but you cant only count on link buildung to succeed longterm. Factors like Onpage and performance of your website and also social media activities has nearly the same importance in 2015.
      Thank you, real factual information from the source.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

        Thank you, real factual information from the source.
        Dude, that account is a link seller. Look at the sig. This is a questionable sales strategy, nothing more.

        This is getting really absurd. You compliment sig spammers, and try to prop them up as an authority to get some sort of faux verification to your misinformed ideas. Where's the source you're talking about? Citation needed.

        That hole you dug for yourself? It's pretty frigging deep.
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            Originally Posted by wikilink View Post

            Dude dont know whats wrong with to share growthhacks like this, take a look at yourself if you dont believe and i can give you easily more of this hxxp://lmgtfy.com/?q=buy+wiki+backlink
            Seriously? You posted a link to find some more fraudsters who are trying to spam Wikipedia? What do you think that this proves?

            That are may SEO swindlers who are happy to take money wether their gimmick works or not? We knew that already. Just look at any Fiverr link on this forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          Dude, that account is a link seller. Look at the sig. This is a questionable sales strategy, nothing more.
          I know

          I'm just messing with you


          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          to get some sort of faux verification to your misinformed ideas~

          That hole you dug for yourself? It's pretty frigging deep.
          You see, this is what you still can't understand. I don't have any misinformed ideas nor did I dig a hole. You still seem to think I made a commitment to one side, when I most certainly did not.

          I am the most unbiased one here. I never made any judgement in either direction. I just enjoy watching you defend your side so vigorously.
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          • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
            Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

            I am the most unbiased one here. I never made any judgement in either direction. I just enjoy watching you defend your side so vigorously.
            You seemed to take a side on your second post to this thread, and claimed that I agree with your position for some absurd reason. I'm quite perplexed on why you'd do that if you really have no position.

            I don't particularly care how these thing go, but it makes very much sense for Google to mandate something like nofollow, and major user edited sites to use it to kind of wash their hands from crap links.
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            • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
              Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

              You very clearly took a side on your second post to this thread, and claimed that I agree with your position for some absurd reason. How can you forget such a thing? It's not been that long...
              I never took a side. Unbiased people can say truthful things about both sides, there is nothing wrong with that.

              It's the biased people you have to watch out for because they will never concede even the slightest possibility from the other side.

              Google telling you that nofollow links carry no weight is no different than wikilink here telling you that they do. Both have agendas, and both are not to be trusted.

              The truth is that we do not know for sure. which is why it's so laughable to see you and the other guy fight so hard for your side.

              Your edit:
              Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

              I don't particularly care how these thing go, but it makes very much sense for Google to mandate something like nofollow, and major user edited sites to use it to kind of wash their hands from crap links.
              I agree with you. But that doesn't mean that nofollow will have absolutely no weight whatsoever. Google is much smarter than we think. In the scenario that I gave earlier, I would venture to say that Google may be smart enough to say "These are all nofollow links, but they are excellent links from great sources, so maybe the site has some relevance".

              I certainly don't know that for sure, but I am not going to rule it out.
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              • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                I never took a side. Unbiased people can say truthful things about both sides, there is nothing wrong with that.
                There's nothing "truthful" about claiming that someone agrees with you "deep down" or whatever you said. That sounds like some sort of religious speak. And to claim that I agree you have to hold a position for me to agree on.

                Also, you repeated your position at the end of your last post.

                Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                Google telling you that nofollow links carry no weight is no different than wikilink here telling you that they do. Both have agendas, and both are not to be trusted.
                That's so frigging absurd that it's hard to even answer. This random user selling questionable stuff has the same weight as multibillion dollar corporation that's the reason this industry even exists?

                As I said, the whole nofollow thing was something that Google essentially started to use for a particular purpose. That purpose happens to make logical sense for a lot of reasons.

                Also, a lot of SEO practitioners do confirm that this very basic thing seems to work the way Google says. This has been pointed out to you several times.

                Sure, it could also work in some other way, but I don't see any reason to act as if it does.

                Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                The truth is that we do not know for sure. which is why it's so laughable to see you and the other guy fight so hard for your side.
                You are the other guy.
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              • Profile picture of the author DABK
                What do you mean, we do not know? I ran some tests to see if nofollow help with SEO, and the tests say they do not.

                Really, if you build a lot of nofollow links and you don't get higher rankings, you know that nofollow links don't help.

                Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

                The truth is that we do not know for sure. which is why it's so laughable to see you and the other guy fight so hard for your side.
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      Originally Posted by wikilink View Post

      You are not in the position to claim we are spamers as you dont know how we work this out..
      Do you really think that ANYONE here thinks you are anything but a spammer? Come on...
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      Originally Posted by wikilink View Post

      Its not important what i think but facts dont lie
      Let's hear those facts then.

      No, you just saying something on a forum doesn't count.
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      Originally Posted by wikilink View Post

      Don't need to impress you and continue such discussions, thank you.
      That's what I thought. Your method works in mysterious ways, and you don't even want to justify how it could work. I get this from a lot of link sellers.

      If I were in your boots I wouldn't play "facts" card in a discussion such as this. Did you really think I would not call your bluff?

      Following the potential flow of Google juice is not exactly that hard. If you're going to just point to the front page and claim the backlinks are strong because of it you've already failed. The link would not be worth your asking price even if it was "followed".
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    They can be helpful, but point is how to use it for proper link building without getting your content being deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author MehreenZafar
    Wiki links are good for SEO, Because i found usually they remove junk links
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by MehreenZafar View Post

      Wiki links are good for SEO, Because i found usually they remove junk links
      That's a non sequitur. The first half of your comment has nothing to do with the latter part. Keeping a site clean from spam doesn't mean that the links are effective. Nofollow links mean that Wikipedia has essentially asked Google do not count those links.
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      • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
        Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

        That's a non sequitur. The first half of your comment has nothing to do with the latter part. Keeping a site clean from spam doesn't mean that the links are effective. Nofollow links mean that Wikipedia has essentially asked Google do not count those links.
        A site filled with spam links will carry less juice than one that cleans those spam links off. MehreenZafar is really on to something, you should pay attention.
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        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
          Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

          A site filled with spam links will carry less juice than one that cleans those spam links off. MehreenZafar is really on to something, you should pay attention.
          Nofollow links are not known to carry any juice. How is this so hard for you to get? If you have a bunch of links that pass no value, and you clean some of them, the remaining links still pass no value.

          If the links were "followed" this would be true, but the commenter specifically pointed to Wikipedia.

          I'm not even sure why this topic this important to you. You're using other commenters as faux authority of some sort, and trying to patch the glaring mistakes in their logic. Just speak your mind. You don't need to hide behind one-liners and sig spammers.
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          • Profile picture of the author RogueSparky
            Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

            Nofollow links
            In the post you replied to, we are not talking about nofollow links. We are talking about MehreenZafar's factual statement.

            I'm not even sure why this topic this important to you.
            It's not, I even specifically spelled it out earlier that I like messing with you. You take the bait every time.

            Read this again:

            Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

            I know

            I'm just messing with you



            I am the most unbiased one here. I never made any judgement in either direction. I just enjoy watching you defend your side so vigorously.
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

              In the post you replied to, we are not talking about nofollow links. We are talking about MehreenZafar's factual statement.
              Ok. So you're either too dense to understand why there's no "factual statement" where you claim there's one, or you're just posting garbage.

              Originally Posted by RogueSparky View Post

              It's not, I even specifically spelled it out earlier that I like messing with you. You take the bait every time.
              Trolling seems like an ad hoc "rationalization" for your behaviour, but in case you didn't know it's frowned upon on forums such as this.

              You started by lying and painting yourself in the corner, and ended by describing your own behaviour as trolling. I'm not quite sure which part is supposed to be amusing.
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            Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

            Nofollow links are not known to carry any juice. How is this so hard for you to get?
            Do you think that nofollow link play no role on SEO?
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              What a strange question. Nettiapina answered it so many times in this thread alone!

              Originally Posted by Greg91 View Post

              Do you think that nofollow link play no role on SEO?
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                Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                What a strange question. Nettiapina answered it so many times in this thread alone!
                He said that nofollow links don't pass any link juice, authority and page rank. I understand that. I am interensting about His opinion about some other role of nofollow like ratio nofollow/dofollow etc. That why I am asking whether he thinks that nofollow plan no role of SEO? Or maybe is some role?

                I am interesting about Your opinion too
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                • Profile picture of the author DABK
                  As soon as I build a site, some website-value site link to me, some whois type of sites link to me. They give nofollow links.

                  Some time after I put up content, a few sites that don't add the nofollow tag to links link to my site.

                  How am I going to control nofollow/dofollow ratio when I don't control who links to me?

                  I make it to the top of page 1 without creating 1 no-follow link. Why would I think I need them for anything SEO?


                  Originally Posted by Greg91 View Post

                  He said that nofollow links don't pass any link juice, authority and page rank. I understand that. I am interensting about His opinion about some other role of nofollow like ratio nofollow/dofollow etc. That why I am asking whether he thinks that nofollow plan no role of SEO? Or maybe is some role?

                  I am interesting about Your opinion too
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                • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                  Originally Posted by Greg91 View Post

                  That why I am asking whether he thinks that nofollow plan no role of SEO? Or maybe is some role?
                  Thanks for asking. Please note that I'm just a random guy on a forum, and I don't claim to be any sort of authority figure on anything.

                  I don't feel that you need to build nofollow links. They're not harmful, but you don't usually need to balance profiles. Nofollow is important to Google working the way it works, but for a SEO nofollow links aren't useful.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Greg91
                    Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                    As soon as I build a site, some website-value site link to me, some whois type of sites link to me. They give nofollow links.

                    Some time after I put up content, a few sites that don't add the nofollow tag to links link to my site.

                    How am I going to control nofollow/dofollow ratio when I don't control who links to me?

                    I make it to the top of page 1 without creating 1 no-follow link. Why would I think I need them for anything SEO?
                    I'm not saying that nofollow links are necessary but when I study search result I see that top ranking sites have usually some nofollow links. But maybe its correlation - not causation.

                    I guess that maybe role of nofollow links is that it's strange for Google when some site have not any nofollow links.


                    Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

                    Thanks for asking. Please note that I'm just a random guy on a forum, and I don't claim to be any sort of authority figure on anything.

                    I don't feel that you need to build nofollow links. They're not harmful, but you don't usually need to balance profiles. Nofollow is important to Google working the way it works, but for a SEO nofollow links aren't useful.
                    Thanks for answer. What you say make sense
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                    • Profile picture of the author DABK
                      What I'm saying is that you get nofollow links without creating one. So, even if they were necessary, why would you create any?

                      And, since you don't need them, WHY create them?

                      There is only one good reason to create nofollow links: they bring you traffic.

                      You establish yourself as an authority on the subject matter of a site you own on a forum, you'd be stupid not to create links to pages on your site that are relevant to the discussions you're part of. Doubly stupid if the forum has a lot of members.

                      But to create nofollow links for SEO purposes, thinking that nofollow links will increase your ranking in Google, is just a waste of time and effort.

                      Originally Posted by Greg91 View Post

                      I'm not saying that nofollow links are necessary but when I study search result I see that top ranking sites have usually some nofollow links. But maybe its correlation - not causation.

                      I guess that maybe role of nofollow links is that it's strange for Google when some site have not any nofollow links.




                      Thanks for answer. What you say make sense
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                        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                        What I'm saying is that you get nofollow links without creating one. So, even if they were necessary, why would you create any?

                        And, since you don't need them, WHY create them?
                        If they were necessary I would have to create them because I'm doing SEO in Poland. Here I dont get any nofollow links without creating them. But I think there aren't necessary and probable they haven't any importance at all.

                        It's interesting because a lot of SEO Company creating these links and they believe that they have role. I will try to find some tests or I do it myself in next month when I will have more time. I will share info or test result when I will have some.
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    Hey,
    I don't think it is useful because wiki links are no follow and they don't provide link juice .
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    If a Wikipedia editor realizes that a company representative made an edit, there is a good chance this will get deleted because the site wants everything to remain neutral. However, you can bypass this by getting involved in the Wikipedia community
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    you need to updates proper and unique article links otherwise wiki has been removed your links.
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  • Profile picture of the author arindamroy
    I think this discussion is going way beyond the topic, can we move back to the original place.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Why?

      It's done, you have your answers. Act on the one(s) you think work. Or test a few/all of them and go with what your results tell you.

      Originally Posted by arindamroy View Post

      I think this discussion is going way beyond the topic, can we move back to the original place.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by arindamroy View Post

      I think this discussion is going way beyond the topic, can we move back to the original place.
      You mean like starting the same cycle of pointless back and forth yet again?

      If you're not happy with the result of this discussion, going through it again doesn't change the reality even if it somehow ended on a different note.
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  • Profile picture of the author kamaldeepchandel
    Currently WikiPedia links are nofollow and this will not give you link juice to your website. But it will help to increase daily visitors on your website.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by kamaldeepchandel View Post

      But it will help to increase daily visitors on your website.
      This is possible, but fairly unlikely in most cases. If your site is one of the references why would people click it open? Wikipedia articles tend to explain the topic. You may get some "visitors" from all the wikipedia grabbers...
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  • Profile picture of the author cevor
    ranking algorithm is the combination of many factor. Nofollow link is must to make it natural link building.
    But what if the nofollow are from wiki especial wikipedia. This will increase DA in long run.

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  • Profile picture of the author conscolor
    Wikipedia backlinks

    Scalable.

    White hat.

    Powerful.

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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by conscolor View Post

      Powerful.
      Lets hear the argument for that.

      Originally Posted by conscolor View Post

      I'm not saying this,Brian dean Says this
      Citation needed even for the Brian Dean quote. That's the front page of his twitter feed, and there's nothing about Wikipedia on that page.

      Backlinko isn't always 100% correct. For example, they run that "200 ranking factors of Google" BS from time to time.
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      Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
      Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

      What's your excuse?
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