WF Links are Nofollow, then Why So Many Useless Posts?

9 years ago

Because they are morons and the moderators are failing to do their jobs. It has ruined WF as being a useful SEO resource.

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paulgl

9 years ago

Originally Posted by cbpayne

Because they are morons and the moderators are failing to do their jobs. It has ruined WF as being a useful SEO resource.

Well, I'd hate to call out the mods here, one tough endless job of spam.

If you wade through the junk, which can be tough,
you will find the gems.

Useless posts have an unintended consequence. You now know
who not to read or follow.

One reason I do call people out. If a someone finds a thread on google,
they will read how stupid these people are, and their sig gets a bad
rap. But they don't care. They think they're doing good!

Paul

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Tim Alwell 9 years ago

It's not always about a backlink to their site.

In most cases, it's a link to a capture page to collect email leads --> this is the #1 priority.

There will always be spammers and posters who don't give value. Such is life.
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KylieSweet

9 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

If a someone finds a thread on google,
they will read how stupid these people are, and their sig gets a bad
rap. But they don't care. They think they're doing good!
Paul

This is what is now happening in WF, Instead of providing a great source in the search results many people will be disappointed on how the members in the reputable forum discussed on the topic. I hope WF will back on the good old days where there are active admin and moderators to monitor every thread.

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Goyllo

9 years ago

I have click many times on member signature, after checking it's reputation from sidebar profile.

I also join their membership/email list, because I like to read experienced words

So it is not always about backlinks or SEO

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RogueSparky

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Goyllo

I have click many times on member signature, after checking it's reputation from sidebar profile.

I also join their membership/email list, because I like to read experienced words

So it is not always about backlinks or SEO

That's not what the OP is talking about.

The OP is talking about the people with low posts counts who only post stupid things (either copied and pasted or nonsensical English) in order to post a sig link. They are clearly only posting in order to put up the link. The OP is asking why?

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nettiapina

9 years ago

You know what? You can also report signature spam. I do it all the time. The mods do not agree with me 100%, but they also delete that crap.

The mods recently banned that annoying cookies from home flesh spambot. Curiously that happened after I had reported a string of its past messages. If you see another sig spammer and have a few seconds to spare click through to the list of their posts and have a some fun with the report button.

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nmwf

9 years ago

This is not a question of the fact. It's more a question of the process:

If WarriorForum links are nofollow, why the heck do they show up in GWT as "links to your site"?

Edit: They show up in Alexa too...

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nettiapina

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nmwf

If WarriorForum links are nofollow, why the heck do they show up in GWT as "links to your site"?

So are you asking this question, or not? GWT and other backlink tools show these links because they're links to your site. Google may not use them in PR calculations, but they're still links.

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nmwf

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nettiapina

GWT and other backlink tools show these links because they're links to your site. Google may not use them in PR calculations, but they're still links.

I thought crawlers ignored nofollow links. So I'm asking if that's so, how and why does Google acknowledge them? Is nofollow an issue that's related to pagerank only?

I really thought nofollow = ignore completely in every conceivable situation not just pagrank

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RogueSparky

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nmwf

I thought crawlers ignored nofollow links. So I'm asking if that's so, how and why does Google acknowledge them? Is nofollow an issue that's related to pagerank only?

I really thought nofollow = ignore completely in every conceivable situation not just pagrank

Google doesn't ignore anything.

The entire point of Google is to collect and analyze information, nofollow links are good information, just like all the other millions of tiny tidbits of information out there that they collect.

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nmwf

9 years ago

Originally Posted by RogueSparky

Google doesn't ignore anything.

The entire point of Google is to collect and analyze information, nofollow links are good information, just like all the other millions of tiny tidbits of information out there that they collect.

Maybe you can help me wrap my head around this. Can you describe an example situation in which a normal WF link would have some value (as opposed to a nofollow WF link)?

Like, where would I find a normal (follow) WF link, and where couldn't I find a nofollow WF link.

At https://support.google.com/webmaster...er/96569?hl=en, it says:

In general, we don't follow them. This means that Google does not transfer PageRank or anchor text across these links. Essentially, using nofollow causes us to drop the target links from our overall graph of the web. However, the target pages may still appear in our index if other sites link to them without using nofollow, or if the URLs are submitted to Google in a Sitemap. Also, it's important to note that other search engines may handle nofollow in slightly different ways.

This suggests that Google and other crawlers may do as they please regardless of the nofollow tag. That, I can understand. Is that what's going on? Because I can search up my site name on the warriorforum domain and get a bunch of results. Isn't nofollow supposed to block those results from showing?

#i'm-really-not-getting-this

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DABK

9 years ago

If warriorfoum gave you a link without the nofollow tag from its home page, you'd get value... Because their home page has authority. The authority is divided between all the links.

I once ranked 2 sites for the same keyword (6 months apart).

The 1st one with some 600 links from 0 PR or PR of n/a (articles, posts, blogs, etc.), none of the links were nofollow.

The 2nd one with 9 links from the home pages of 9 sites that only linked out 1 (to me). 3 of the sites had a PR of 1, the rest of 0.

The content was the same, by the way. The onpage optimization, the same.

From that I concluded that 3 pr 1 are worth over 600 pr 0 or pr n/a links or
3 pr 1 links and 6 pr 0 links from the home page of sites that have only 1 outgoing link are worth more than 600+ links from internal pages with pr of 0 or pr n/a.

Either way, forum links ezine links and the rest of the links most people here taut as great are not worth that much even when they are not nofollow.

It doesn't mean you can't rank with them, but you need 2 hundred times more of them than if you got yourself real PR 1 links. (I know, I know, PR has not been updated in a long time. I mean pages with some but not much authority.

Originally Posted by nmwf

Maybe you can help me wrap my head around this. Can you describe an example situation in which a normal WF link would have some value (as opposed to a nofollow WF link)?

Like, where would I find a normal (follow) WF link, and where couldn't I find a nofollow WF link.

At https://support.google.com/webmaster...er/96569?hl=en, it says:

In general, we don't follow them. This means that Google does not transfer PageRank or anchor text across these links. Essentially, using nofollow causes us to drop the target links from our overall graph of the web. However, the target pages may still appear in our index if other sites link to them without using nofollow, or if the URLs are submitted to Google in a Sitemap. Also, it's important to note that other search engines may handle nofollow in slightly different ways.

This suggests that Google and other crawlers may do as they please regardless of the nofollow tag. That, I can understand. Is that what's going on? Because I can search up my site name on the warriorforum domain and get a bunch of results. Isn't nofollow supposed to block those results from showing?

#i'm-really-not-getting-this

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nmwf

9 years ago

Originally Posted by DABK

If warriorfoum gave you a link without the nofollow tag from its home page, you'd get value... Because their home page has authority. The authority is divided between all the links.

I once ranked 2 sites for the same keyword (6 months apart).

The 1st one with some 600 links from 0 PR or PR of n/a (articles, posts, blogs, etc.), none of the links were nofollow.

The 2nd one with 9 links from the home pages of 9 sites that only linked out 1 (to me). 3 of the sites had a PR of 1, the rest of 0.

The content was the same, by the way. The onpage optimization, the same.

From that I concluded that 3 pr 1 are worth over 600 pr 0 or pr n/a links or
3 pr 1 links and 6 pr 0 links from the home page of sites that have only 1 outgoing link are worth more than 600+ links from internal pages with pr of 0 or pr n/a.

Either way, forum links ezine links and the rest of the links most people here taut as great are not worth that much even when they are not nofollow.

It doesn't mean you can't rank with them, but you need 2 hundred times more of them than if you got yourself real PR 1 links. (I know, I know, PR has not been updated in a long time. I mean pages with some but not much authority.

Wow - you really broke it down, there... I guess I'm just confused by the "nofollow" label. I'm not confused by its 0 value -- just the name of the thing. I mean, if a link is "no follow," then crawlers shouldn't archive (follow) it. But they do anyway, and I now believe they always have.

::sigh::

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nettiapina 9 years ago

Originally Posted by nmwf

I mean, if a link is "no follow," then crawlers shouldn't archive (follow) it. But they do anyway, and I now believe they always have.

You're thinking of "no index", another request for search spiders. This, however, is something you use on your own site.
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- nmwf 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by nettiapina
  
  You're thinking of "no index", another request for search spiders. This, however, is something you use on your own site.
  
  Both of them (noindex & nofollow) are too similar for this brain to deal with. I'm done with it. But thanks for the reminder. They both can go noindex & nofollow themselves!
  
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paulgl

9 years ago

Originally Posted by nmwf

I thought crawlers ignored nofollow links. So I'm asking if that's so, how and why does Google acknowledge them? Is nofollow an issue that's related to pagerank only?

I really thought nofollow = ignore completely in every conceivable situation not just pagrank

Google does not ignore nofollow links. Nobody worth a dang would EVER say that.

Google not using them for PR or anchor, has nothing to do with 2
things that might be happening:

1) Doing nothing.
2) Making things worse.

Google has mentioned forum links many, many, many, many times.

How they are looked upon as spam, especially over-optimized anchor text.

Nofollow has to do with google labeling you as a spammer, schemer,
conman, and put all your sites in the same bag.

But people don't know that. So I will repeat my reply above:

People think they are doing good, when in reality they are shooting
themselves in the foot.

Anyone who wants to harvest emails from a forum is looney tunes.

I'm ROTFLMAO, cuz this all reminds me of the mentality of about
2006.....that everyone needs some email list. My gosh are people still
doing that?

I know. Hundreds of you will rave about how that is just helping you
become a millionaire. Well go for it. Spam on!

Oh here's the last bit. Next time someone says to go out and get
a bunch of nofollow links (twitter, FB, etc. not counted here) so
you look natural, run the other way. Fast.

Paul

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sonjay

9 years ago

lol. All the more reason why I read WF (especially SEO threads) so I won't forget to smile from time to time.

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footfoot

9 years ago

why doesn't wf just eliminate sig links. Be easier than reading through 55 spammy posts to get 1 decent.
i don't know, it seems too obvious to me. must figure these spammy posts are their life blood.

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danparks

9 years ago

Couldn't Warrior Forum have it such that free membership doesn't allow signature links? If you had to pay even just a few dollars in order to include signature links that would scare away all the cheap-ass spammers, and wouldn't really be much of a concern to someone including a link to a real SEO-related service. I imagine I'm not the first one to come up with this brilliant idea, and it's been shot down before because of ...?

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nettiapina 9 years ago

Originally Posted by KylieSweet

I hope WF will back on the good old days where there are active admin and moderators to monitor every thread.

That was not the case back when we had forum users as moderators. Nobody can read all the threads on a forum such as this, so it's always reactive. The bad thing about these current "professional" moderators is that they may not understand anything about the topics on this forum.

Originally Posted by danparks

I imagine I'm not the first one to come up with this brilliant idea, and it's been shot down before because of ...?

Not sure if I'm being too cynical, but these sites run on advertising money. The more accounts, posts and threads, the more there seems to be ad potential.

But they really should limit the links to those who have, say, 10 posts to the forum. That's discourage the spammers at least.
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greatestmj

9 years ago

I wonder why. Those signature links are not going to help rank a site to the top in Google. Maybe Signatures can be removed for people upto a certain number of posts?

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9 years ago

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Cheshirejp 9 years ago

I have been a member for quite a few years, read a lot and have hardly ever posted.

The same questions get asked all the time in this forum "How do I do SEO?", "What is a link" - and there are 20-30 replies to the post - frustating - just spend an hour reading through threads - everything is there, the same information just gets hashed up every day.

I finally purchased the subscription last month - expecting to have more 'high-brow' threads to read, but have been bitterly disappointed - it just seems to be a everyone selling their latest product (there are a few gems, but very far between) and the additional premium content is very out of date.
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- paulgl 9 years ago
  
  Sig links here, and other links, are nofollow.
  
  That solves the problem for the WF in one fell swoop.
  
  However, as I stated, it will not help the linker, and
  could hurt in the long run. This is not about links
  to other authoritative sites, but links from joe blow
  spamming a link, or doing sig links in hopes they
  do something.
  
  Fat chance. They either do nothing or they will hurt.
  
  The WF itself has nothing to worry about.
  
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mkgg

9 years ago

Because some people believe nofollow links are helpful with rankings.

Why do people believe that ? Beats me. Why do people believe social plays a role in rankings ? Beats me.

I have come to this conclusion, people are stupid and there's nothing you can do about that.

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dmarc

9 years ago

Because countless "gurus," trainings, free reports, etc encourage it as a means to driving free traffic.

They usually make mention of not posting useless crap, but it's typically an afterthought, and newbies will ignore it and go on posting sprees, in hopes of clicks to their sig link.

I think it's also an attempt to drive their post counts l, because they think having a higher post count will increase their credibility on the forum.

I honestly don't blame most of the newbs for doing this. They're usually just following bad advice.

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