We hired an SEO Agency.....

8 years ago

Well, they did not do what you understood they were going to do.

They, definitely, did not do what they said about your main keyword.

Looks like they think you're renting the links from them... Which is not what they seem to have said.

They seem to have both misrepresented what they would do and not produce results they promised.

Plumbing is a competitive enough area but not so competitive that they couldn't put you at the bottom of page 1, at least, higher, if they had focused only on that keyword.

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Ok basically this is just a question into how an SEO agency actually goes about improving our rankings.

We recently hired an SEO business to improve our ranking for a city based term, for now lets call it 'Birmingham Plumbing Services'. We have previously built our business by learning SEO a little and managing to rank well for a different search term but the same eg 'Leeds Plumbing Services'.

Anyway we hired an SEO agency that charged roughly £300 per month they said it would take 3 months to get a decent ranking for the new 'Birmingham Plumbing Services'.

We didnt really see much work from them to begin with, slight adjustments on the site but nothing major. Then they starting building links from sites that were clearly under their name and unrelated. They built about 20 links and improve our domain authority, all our rankings for other things increased etc and we were quite happy. However our requested ranking wasnt improving.

We are now into our third month nearing the end of the agreement and we are way back on page 11 for our requested search term ranking and seem to be falling rather than improving. We have also noticed that they have started removing their previously built links.

Does anybody know any reason for this? Is this normal strategy? Surely our domain authority improvement is going to fall? Would be good to get an insight.

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visimedia

8 years ago

have you checked your backlink profile since they've worked on that? YOu can see the report too and cross check that with the result you get so far.

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trevorsmith 8 years ago

How would i check my backlink profile?
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- nettiapina 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by trevorsmith
  
  How would i check my backlink profile?
  
  Did you get an answer to this? Majestic and Ahrefhs are some of the popular backlink checkers. They run their own crawlers so the results will vary.
  
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  Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
  Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.
  
  What's your excuse?
  
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  trevorsmith 8 years ago
  
  Oh yeh already use all of them. Its what i used to find out that they have created backlinks then removed the backlinks.
  
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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Ok basically this is just a question into how an SEO agency actually goes about improving our rankings.

We recently hired an SEO business to improve our ranking for a city based term, for now lets call it 'Birmingham Plumbing Services'. We have previously built our business by learning SEO a little and managing to rank well for a different search term but the same eg 'Leeds Plumbing Services'.

Anyway we hired an SEO agency that charged roughly £300 per month they said it would take 3 months to get a decent ranking for the new 'Birmingham Plumbing Services'.

We didnt really see much work from them to begin with, slight adjustments on the site but nothing major. Then they starting building links from sites that were clearly under their name and unrelated. They built about 20 links and improve our domain authority, all our rankings for other things increased etc and we were quite happy. However our requested ranking wasnt improving.

We are now into our third month nearing the end of the agreement and we are way back on page 11 for our requested search term ranking and seem to be falling rather than improving. We have also noticed that they have started removing their previously built links.

Does anybody know any reason for this? Is this normal strategy? Surely our domain authority improvement is going to fall? Would be good to get an insight.

First, forget domain authority (DA), it's a fake number that doesn't rank pages.

When the SEO removed links that's between you & them as far as what you bought.

Some SEOs rent backlinks on their own link network (domains they own).

Some SEOs build links on domains they don't own.

Some SEOs build links on domains they don't own & use a domain they do own as a buffer to control the client backlinks, again rental links (monthly payments, etc...).

So, you tell us, what was your agreement for the links your SEO built? Are you renting links or buying links, there's a difference (one time payment vs recurring monthly payments)?

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trevorsmith

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

First, forget domain authority (DA), it's a fake number that doesn't rank pages.

When the SEO removed links that's between you & them as far as what you bought.

Some SEOs rent backlinks on their own link network (domains they own).

Some SEOs build links on domains they don't own.

Some SEOs build links on domains they don't own & use a domain they do own as a buffer to control the client backlinks, again rental links (monthly payments, etc...).

So, you tell us, what was your agreement for the links your SEO built? Are you renting links or buying links, there's a difference (one time payment vs recurring monthly payments)?

Well it wasn't a link purchase it was a generic SEO campaign purchase with the goal of ranking the requested search term within the top 3 positions. They said they would build quality trustworthy links to the site firstly working on the overall domain authority before ranking for the main search term.

So far they have built a combination of links both on there own domains and on domains they didn't own. The number of referring unique domains(now removed) I presumed improved our overall domain authority. This did seem to be the case as a lot of search terms improved considerably.

For the search term I had requested it was very specific as we already ranked well for another search term, I did not want to lose our rankings for this.

They were certainly not the cheapest, the majority of quotes we got back were around the same price although there was one quoting 3k a month. They seem like the most reputable company with the most reputable clients. We did undertake quite a bit of research into them.

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sany00

8 years ago

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Well it wasn't a link purchase it was a generic SEO campaign purchase with the goal of ranking the requested search term within the top 3 positions. They said they would build quality trustworthy links to the site firstly working on the overall domain authority before ranking for the main search term.

So far they have built a combination of links both on there own domains and on domains they didn't own. The number of referring unique domains(now removed) I presumed improved our overall domain authority. This did seem to be the case as a lot of search terms improved considerably.

For the search term I had requested it was very specific as we already ranked well for another search term, I did not want to lose our rankings for this.

They were certainly not the cheapest, the majority of quotes we got back were around the same price although there was one quoting 3k a month. They seem like the most reputable company with the most reputable clients. We did undertake quite a bit of research into them.

Yukon actually clear the view. But the thing is they dont do what you want. You want a specific ranking for specific terms but you are not getting it. Yes agreed with Yukon forget that DA and PA facts. You will check it when you are creating back links. But your domain authority will give you nothing until you get rank for your desire terms. Arrange a meeting with them and ask clearly what is going on. Why they are removing the links now without noticing you? And why your main keyword ranking is not improved yet? If they are creating links from their own network, ask them is it safe? You need to ask actually lots of question here.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Well it wasn't a link purchase it was a generic SEO campaign purchase with the goal of ranking the requested search term within the top 3 positions. They said they would build quality trustworthy links to the site firstly working on the overall domain authority before ranking for the main search term.

So far they have built a combination of links both on there own domains and on domains they didn't own. The number of referring unique domains(now removed) I presumed improved our overall domain authority. This did seem to be the case as a lot of search terms improved considerably.

For the search term I had requested it was very specific as we already ranked well for another search term, I did not want to lose our rankings for this.

They were certainly not the cheapest, the majority of quotes we got back were around the same price although there was one quoting 3k a month. They seem like the most reputable company with the most reputable clients. We did undertake quite a bit of research into them.

That's nice you did research on the SEO provider but apparently you didn't do enough research since you're here complaining they took all their links & left town. Let me guess, all the positive referrals you found were on their sales page?

Here's some advice, whenever an SEO builds links on their own domains, they're temporary links. Stop paying, say goodbye to the backlinks. In other words, you rented links on your SEO providers domains.

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trevorsmith

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That's nice you did research on the SEO provider but apparently you didn't do enough research since you're here complaining they took all their links & left town. Let me guess, all the positive referrals you found were on their sales page?

Here's some advice, whenever an SEO builds links on their own domains, they're temporary links. Stop paying, say goodbye to the backlinks. In other words, you rented links on your SEO providers domains.

Sorry at what point did i complain!?!? I was actually asking for an insight into how an SEO agency would go about the process and whether or not it was normal...

Again as I have have stated before, im not renting or buying links, im paying for an SEO campaign not specific to links only. READ MAN

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DABK

8 years ago

Read your agreement/contract again. If it says what you're saying here, you're getting ripped off.

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Again as I have have stated before, im not renting or buying links, im paying for an SEO campaign not specific to links only. READ MAN

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trevorsmith

8 years ago

Already have yeh. It just lays out a general agreement, SEO campaign for the term x with goal of ranking the page within 3 months for desired search term. Nothing about link rental etc.

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DABK

8 years ago

Your agreement should have spelled out what they do and for how long and what happens when they stop.

If things are happening differently, you're being ripped off.

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Already have yeh. It just lays out a general agreement, SEO campaign for the term x with goal of ranking the page within 3 months for desired search term. Nothing about link rental etc.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

We are now into our third month nearing the end of the agreement and we are way back on page 11 for our requested search term ranking and seem to be falling rather than improving. We have also noticed that they have started removing their previously built links.

Originally Posted by trevorsmith

Sorry at what point did i complain!?!? I was actually asking for an insight into how an SEO agency would go about the process and whether or not it was normal...

Again as I have have stated before, im not renting or buying links, im paying for an SEO campaign not specific to links only. READ MAN

My bad, the OP comment about being on page 11 on the SERPs looked like a complaint. I wouldn't have been happy.

Sorry to say but you rented links because the SEO provider removed your links based on what you're saying in this forum thread. Maybe your SEO didn't own the domains you had links on, tons of folks on the web are link resellers. In other words, you stop paying the SEO & the SEO stops paying his link supplier. I'm just guessing with that part since all I have to go by is you hired an SEO.

Anyways, live & learn, move on to another SEO, next time ask questions first (ex: who owns the backlinks).

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SBR

8 years ago

You get what you pay for I suppose. The cheapest option is not always the best as it may end up costing you in the future. If you really want to go down the road of outsourcing SEO, then you really need to look for one that offers good packages such as SEO audit from the start.This will help you define your sites failings and draw up plan to see if those failings are being ticked off along the way.
It sounds to me they may have created poor backlinks, may even been penalized by google .

I would say that creating good, high quality link building and solid content is quite a delicate process and will not always be done in the right manner for just a few hundred pounds in my opinion.

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webmodi

8 years ago

If have site a site autopilot , which recently purchased from flippa. as this is affiliate contents travel deals dupicate contents .. their is adsense also.. google allow these autopilot sites and now very much in the market..
how can outsource it for seo ranking and properly listing gin google search without unique contents.?

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ocd

8 years ago

trevorsmith,

Confront them and ask them why you aren't on Page 1 of google, at least at the bottom. Plumbing is a sweet gig because your satellite sites could all be using secondary keywords and all pointing at your money site where the primary keyword is.

Next time you hire somebody do this homework. Look up this link, study it and then when you do the interview see how close they are to this type of program. Yes, some of it is outdated but the "bust butt" principle is what it takes. Will they do this level of effort for you? Are they gonna EARN your business?

https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...d-traffic.html

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trevorsmith

8 years ago

I'm not really the kind of person to jump ahead and make accusations as such before its due. For example I will wait until the 3months is up and then ask hows it all going? I dont mind how they ranking us for the search term providing its safe and not overally spammy. Just to clear up a few things, its not plumbing that I am asking them to rank me for, that was just an example. Its a similar level of keyword for a different industry.

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anwar001

8 years ago

Actually the SEO provider should have made it clear to you at the start that if you stop the subscription, your links would get removed resulting in loss of rankings. The clients need to know this so that they are fully aware of what they are getting into.

Normally clients do not know much about SEO and they do not know about buying permanent links or renting links. So the advice that they should have done some background research about the SEO company is not a sound advice. How is a person who is completely unaware about SEO to know about all these things?

I think it is unethical for the SEO company to not disclose to you that the links they are building are only temporary links which would be removed upon the end of contract unless you renew the contract. The client needs to have this information revealed to him so that he can make a decision whether to go for it or not.

Normally the impression many people have is that once they get ranking and the SEO contract ends, their rankings will remain. If at all the rankings drop due to external factors then it is not the fault of the SEO company but if the rankings go down because they removed the backlinks they had built, then it is their duty to inform the clients beforehand about the scenario.

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GGpaul

8 years ago

That's a pretty cheap agency you got there. A lot of agencies cost up to 5-10k a month.

Did they give you a game plan? Did they give you a competitors analysis report? Did they give you an analytics report? Did they give you a weekly ranking report? If so, did they explain WHY they're not ranking? Why aren't they doing any of that?

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madstan

8 years ago

If not done correctly backlinks do not work these days. If you really want to rank well for your keywords you need to find a way to make the keywords seem unique within the content of your site and then get the proper backlinks for your website...without over doing the backlinking part.

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yukon Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by madstan

If not done correctly backlinks do not work these days.

Yea, backlinks done wrong just started today, not back in 1997.
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- madstan 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Yea, backlinks done wrong just started today, not back in 1997.
  
  Like the old saying goes " It's not the quantity, but the quality that matters"
  
  Its always been that way with big "G" its just that few knew this secret but wasn't sharing it with others,mostly to make a profit from those wanting the same knowledge they have
  
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8 years ago

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