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Seriously... How is his possible?

by PHR
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Hi guys,

I've finished a amazon niche sites 5 days ago... (pretty standard one)

I've submitted (my website) as always into my Google Webmaster Tool, Analytics, connected it from Analytics to Webmaster Tool and integrated it to my SERP software.

I've made standard On-Page SEO, that's all.

It's a fairly small kw with around 20k searches and seriously NO COMPETITION at all.

That's the reason why I've created it but here is my big problem:

It seems that my website doesn't rank at all! Not even in the top 120... On my Webmaster tool I don't get any data although there are a few sites already indexed... What's wrong with my site?

May someone can give me some tips? (This is not my first niche site but the first site I had such troubles)

Help would be appreciated!

Regards.
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    It's been 5 days. Relax. The site is probably not even fully indexed yet.

    Give it 3-4 weeks, then you can start crying about it not ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author PHR
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      It's been 5 days. Relax. The site is probably not even fully indexed yet.

      Give it 3-4 weeks, then you can start crying about it not ranking.
      Really 3-4 weeks? I never waited that long for one of my sites to be indexed and ranked into the top 120! :O

      Anyone knows how to speed up the process in general? (I've submitted the automated indexing through Google's Webmaster Tool already!)
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Originally Posted by PHR View Post

    I've finished a amazon niche sites 5 days ago... (pretty standard one)
    So is it the kind of site you've been ranking previously, or a "standard one" we see on WF? You know, often Amazon affiliate sites are just garbage. If it's a thin content affiliate site it might not ever rank. It seems that Google is trying to axe these sites from their index, and for a good reason.
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      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      So is it the kind of site you've been ranking previously, or a "standard one" we see on WF? You know, often Amazon affiliate sites are just garbage. If it's a thin content affiliate site it might not ever rank. It seems that Google is trying to axe these sites from their index, and for a good reason.
      Hi there,

      thanks for your reply.

      No - It's definitely a quality site. The only different between most amazon niche sites (which are targeting higher keywords with over 50k all in all) is that my is a one page for one keyword (the main one) and a few long-tails. The article is around 3.5k words long and fairly detailed. I know, I could write more content but with the 3.5k long seo-optimized article I describe everything which is important for that keyword... and for the reader as well.

      So even if it is to less content, I should at least reach 120... Something went wrong completly... :X

      Maybe you know why! :X
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Not the best strategy to create a 1-page site with an article that long. It would be much better to split that article up into a silo. Then you at least get some decent internal links on the site.

    Either way though, it has only been 5 days. Did Google even cache the site yet?
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Not the best strategy to create a 1-page site with an article that long. It would be much better to split that article up into a silo. Then you at least get some decent internal links on the site.

      The world isn't ready for silos yet.

      [must have 3,000 word pages]
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    Get some social links and signals to it in order to speed up the process. Also leave a few blog comments on related blogs. All these little things help.
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      Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

      Get some social links and signals to it in order to speed up the process. Also leave a few blog comments on related blogs. All these little things help.
      Don't you get tired to give the same BS "advise" again and again?

      If you ever to follow your own suggestions you would know that:
      - they are don't work specially when Google ignores links
      - hardly work and it takes very long time, more than month or two

      not to mention I'm sure OP well aware about 'social links and signals' and 'blog comments'



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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

      Get some social links and signals to it in order to speed up the process. Also leave a few blog comments on related blogs. All these little things help.


      So I'm tending bar & this guy comes in says he knows a guy that read a forum post where his barber knows a mailman that delivered mail to a guy that heard a cashier at Walmart telling a customer about a blog post they read on the internet saying profile links are awesome in 2015. End of story.









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      • Profile picture of the author anwar001
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        So I'm tending bar & this guy comes in says he knows a guy that read a forum post where his barber knows a mailman that delivered mail to a guy that heard a cashier at Walmart telling a customer about a blog post they read on the internet saying profile links are awesome in 2015. End of story.
        Here comes Mr Know it All. His only job is to keep browsing threads of WF and trying to put down others just to show off that he is better or knows more than the other guy. Must be suffering from some self-esteem issues and putting down others seem to have some sort of calming effect on him. A very pitiable condition indeed
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        • Profile picture of the author irawr
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          Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

          Here comes Mr Know it All. His only job is to keep browsing threads of WF and trying to put down others just to show off that he is better or knows more than the other guy. Must be suffering from some self-esteem issues and putting down others seem to have some sort of calming effect on him. A very pitiable condition indeed
          Either that or he gave out good advice 500 times and people don't know how to use the search feature.

          Originally Posted by PHR View Post

          It's a fairly small kw with around 20k searches and seriously NO COMPETITION at all.
          To clarify, google reports in the keyword planner that the keyword is searched 20,000 times a month and there's "no competition?" Are you sure? How are you estimating the competition? Something tells me you are talking about the QSR and that's pretty much meaningless.

          Edit: I will help you, I think either you're confused or somebody gave you bad advice.
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        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
          Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

          Here comes Mr Know it All. His only job is to keep browsing threads of WF and trying to put down others just to show off that he is better or knows more than the other guy. Must be suffering from some self-esteem issues and putting down others seem to have some sort of calming effect on him. A very pitiable condition indeed
          - Yukon's posts are consistently helpful. He's one of the very few posters who actually gets silos.
          - Your first comment is total garbage, and the second is basically just you throwing a tantrum.

          Gee, who do you think we should listen here. A copypasta warrior who doesn't explain why the constantly discredited BS advice he gives would even work, or someone who advocates a technique that's both on-page and way more advanced than what most people are doing?
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          • Profile picture of the author anwar001
            Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

            - Yukon's posts are consistently helpful. He's one of the very few posters who actually gets silos.
            - Your first comment is total garbage, and the second is basically just you throwing a tantrum.

            Gee, who do you think we should listen here. A copypasta warrior who doesn't explain why the constantly discredited BS advice he gives would even work, or someone who advocates a technique that's both on-page and way more advanced than what most people are doing?
            Well I never said to just get social links and depend totally on them for rankings. I said every little thing helps and you should get social links as part of overall SEO strategy besides doing other things to get links or promoting the blog post.

            Whoever says blog comments or social links do not work, says it from the perspective that they alone will not help much. But including them along with other kinds of backlinks is something which no one argues about.

            Secondly, my post about Yukon was not totally because of his reply to my post here. It was also because he replied a little rudely in another thread where I asked a simple question and he came in and started making posts like 'is this your first day on internet' etc? This was totally uncalled for and if he can say impolite things so can the other person respond accordingly.

            Anyways I am not here to pick up fight with anyone. I will step away from this argument now.
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

              Whoever says blog comments or social links do not work, says it from the perspective that they alone will not help much. But including them along with other kinds of backlinks is something which no one argues about.
              Doing some useless stuff doesn't matter if you also do something that works. But why would you recommend only this useless stuff to anyone?

              Blog comments are pointless, and Google has hinted that they may even devalue "followed" links in blog comments. Social media links are very often nofollow (as they should be), and usually the pages are so weak that they would not matter in any case. Social signals as in the woo woo belief that likes or some such will help rankings - well, that's not proven to work, and would be also hellishly difficult and counterproductive for Google to even implement.

              Yes, you may find some readership from social media services, but you didn't even hint at that direction.

              Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

              Anyways I am not here to pick up fight with anyone. I will step away from this argument now.
              Your second comment to the thread completely contradicts this sentence.
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          Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

          Here comes Mr Know it All. His only job is to keep browsing threads of WF and trying to put down others just to show off that he is better or knows more than the other guy. Must be suffering from some self-esteem issues and putting down others seem to have some sort of calming effect on him. A very pitiable condition indeed

          Yep, nofollow forum profile links are ranking pages.

          I'm not putting anyone down, just snapping the nonsense on the forum back to reality.
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Yep, nofollow forum profile links are ranking pages.

            I'm not putting anyone down, just snapping the nonsense on the forum back to reality.
            I like how he is defending the nofollow links. "They alone"...

            That's how US companies market diet pills, male enhancement, breast enlargement cream, and any other BS product that's out there.

            It says right on the product in small print, that the product alone will not be sufficient. In reality the product does nothing, but the secondary steps are what produces the results. This concludes my history lesson on early 20th century marketing.
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by dronehawk View Post

              Also remember that Google tend to sandbox new sites nowadays.
              Sandbox seems more like a myth than actual thing that exists. New weak pages should not rank. It's usually as simple as that.

              Originally Posted by irawr View Post

              I like how he is defending the nofollow links. "They alone"...
              "Part of this complete breakfast". As in, the sugary cereal won't kill you if you also eat that frigging breakfast.
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                Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

                "Part of this complete breakfast". As in, the sugary cereal won't kill you if you also eat that frigging breakfast.
                Nice, I never caught that.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by irawr View Post

              I like how he is defending the nofollow links. "They alone"...

              That's how US companies market diet pills, male enhancement, breast enlargement cream, and any other BS product that's out there.

              It says right on the product in small print, that the product alone will not be sufficient. In reality the product does nothing, but the secondary steps are what produces the results. This concludes my history lesson on early 20th century marketing.


              If nofollow ranked pages (they don't) I'd be ranking for buy auto insurance from Wikipedia links alone.

              Seriously though, I've got enough Wikipedia links that have been pointing at a few internal test pages for years to know If Google ever changed their algo to allow nofollow to rank pages, those old pages would rank shortly after an update.

              I'm not holding my breath.
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              • Profile picture of the author irawr
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                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                If nofollow ranked pages (they don't) I'd be ranking for buy auto insurance from Wikipedia links alone.

                Seriously though, I've got enough Wikipedia links that have been pointing at a few internal test pages for years to know If Google ever changed their algo to allow nofollow to rank pages, those old pages would rank shortly after an update.

                I'm not holding my breath.
                I realize people who get ahead at anything test everything, but this makes me giggle. You intentionally built nofollow links to make sure they don't work, alright, fair enough

                If I were google, I would do that on april first just to see everybody's reaction. The index would be a massive pile of junk.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by irawr View Post

                  I realize people who get ahead at anything test everything, but this makes me giggle. You intentionally built nofollow links to make sure they don't work, alright, fair enough

                  If I were google, I would do that on april first just to see everybody's reaction. The index would be a massive pile of junk.

                  Yep I've built nofollow links, my motto is prove it or it's BS, lol.

                  BTW, I also have a few thousand nofollow niche forum links (not IM/SEO related). Those links are also old, those nofollow don't rank anything but they've been a dependable source of direct traffic for years. I actually started with that traffic source before I ever cared about SEO.
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    One can assume you have loads of competition. Just because you
    think your site is the $#!^$, does not mean google has to.
    Quality is in the eye of the beholder.

    Where did this mentality come from?

    Does the internet even need such a site?

    I wish all these amazon sites would die.

    You NEVER need to submit your site to google via anything.
    If you do, well,...

    I know your site ranks for something if it's indexed. This thread ranks #3 for
    I've finished a amazon niche sites 5 days ago... (pretty standard one)

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    5 days is quite short. Start slow on manual social bookmarking and increase steadily as days go by. Also remember that Google tend to sandbox new sites nowadays.
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