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BackLink Packets - T&C's

by M0n3yMan
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I have started to see a few disputes on some wso's about how they are violating the terms of the product by providing a link building service.

The truth is that whilst you provide a list with screenshots there is no way you can stop people from providing a link building service using your lists. The only thing you can protect and legally take action on is the re-distribution of your product.

There is no way you can say here is a list of sites but you can only use them for personal reasons or you cant provide the service as a wso, Unfortunately you dont own the sites in your list nor do you own warriorforum.

I could make a list of directories or SB sites but I could not legally stop anyone using these sites any way they wanted.

I can understand people wanting to protect their products but the product is just a list of resources so people can use them as they wish.

this is not just angelas and pauls sites but any backlink list.
#backlink #packets #tandc
  • Profile picture of the author Joe118
    Two things, and I'm only using Angela's service as an example because this is the most prominent and well known one:

    * If someone offers to do backlink building on exactly the sites that are in Angela's packet, they are in effect sharing the packet with anyone. It's the same as black hooters sharing it on their forum. This is just my opinion of course.

    * If someone comes out with a PDF that contains an exact copy of the list of sites in one of Angela's monthly packets, I think thats plagiarism. It's true that Angela does not own these sites or WF, but she did all the hard work of explaining how to drop links on these sites etc. How would you feel if you wrote an ebook and someone wrote an ebook that copies your idea to the T and started selling it?
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  • Profile picture of the author M0n3yMan
    I think you have got me all wrong, I am not disputing that plagiarism or re-distribution is wrong, I am all for people protecting there products. What I am disputing is the use of the backlinks, there is no way you can tell people what to use the sites for.

    for example it would be like me creating an ebook on how to dominate google, I complete guide to onsite seo offsite seo what links to build and how to get them etc and then in my terms and conditions saying that they are not allowed to use these tactics in the weight loss niche or they are not allowed to use them on adsense sites.

    They can protect their products ie plagarism and the rest but nt how people use the information.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Thanks, yes, it seems I misunderstood.

      Backlinking services that use Angela's packets are IMHO a form of illegal sharing. They should do what Pete Drew did, reaching a deal with Angela to use her links in his service.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Expert
        Backlinking services that use Angela's packets are IMHO a form of illegal sharing. They should do what Pete Drew did, reaching a deal with Angela to use her links in his service.
        Whether or not something "feels wrong" is not a reason to label it as illegal in any way/shape/form.

        I'm sure all of the people that run the sites that Angela and Paul root out feel that our "spammy" use of them is illegal. After all it costs them time/money/frustration trying to keep "real" contributing members in, and the self-promoters like us out.

        They would all love to say that what we do on those sites is illegal.

        Also, none of us that use those packets to fetch links should try to justify what we do as "fine", "right", or "ok". As soon as you use those packets you've crossed a line and are no longer "white-hat".

        Even if you come up with content (or spun content) you are not really contributing. You are hiding your tracks and trying to blend in....but you're not really a "part of the community" like you are with you own groups on Facebook and what-not.

        In the end, I think it's just as "lilly white" to assembled as many resources together as possible to create a link-building service if that's what your business model will be. If you use Angela's links, Paul's Links, or anyone else's links to do so it's no more "wrong" then rounding up 30 sites every month and handing them over to a paying group that consists 95% of link spammers.

        This deffinately falls in the "plank in your own eye" realm of thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    If I buy an eBook on SEO and learn it well and then become so good at it I decide to offer my services as an SEO expert, would that be "illegal" or unethical? I don't see how. As I don't see how using Angela's or Pete's or Steve's or any of the other lists that may be available to sell my back linking services. (I don't have a service)

    Angela and Paul and Steve offer a monthly resource list. If I take that list and use it to sell back linking service, I just can't see anything wrong with that. If I was to make a list and sell that list, then I could see it, but that is not what is being discussed. The people that are offering the service are selling their time, not the list. I see the list they bought as a tool that they are using to accomplish their job, which is posting links.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    There shouldn't be any problem with that, Angela especially state that you can provide services to your customer, it is OK!

    I will still stay with Angela & Paul subscription, may be someone will drop, but not me!

    So is my own links collection, I don't care if someone is using it to provide a service, that is totally up to them, and you really can't control it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      I used a too strong word, "illegal". I'd like to replace it with "unethical" or "feels wrong to me"
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Originally Posted by 1st Spot Only View Post

    i dunno about ethical or not.

    Conceptually, we live in a free world and everything must be free.
    I don't think so, not even close. There are a lot of things that are not free. I don't even understand where you would come up with that statement. The tools that the link site list providers provide are tools and none of them place limits on how many sites that you can link on each site, and I don't see how they could even do that. So whether you have one site or a hundred or more sites, you are free to link each site on any and all of the list. If you want to use that list and offer a service, that is your right.

    To say that you don't have the right to use their lists to offer a service is the same as running a search on Google and then Google telling you that you can not use any of the sites that come up in the list for commercial purposes and you can only use them for personal uses. Google does not have that right to limit your use of property that is not theirs, and neither do the link list providers. The lists are their property that they are selling, but the sites on those lists are not theirs. Thus they have no right to restrict your use of them when they have sold you the list.

    But in no way does any of this infer that the lists are free. You could not resell the list, legally. The person that was posting the list on a forum was breaking the law.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    this is a good point and I can see both sides of the story, I had considered posting my opinion on the subject before but figured it would just spark an intense debate

    The new premium backlink service that Paul and I are building will protect the purity of the packets by having restricted membership numbers, password protected logins, plus secure content and unique tracking URLS in each packet to make sure that anyone leaking the packets can be removed from the club. This greatly reduces the possibility of unethical people simply mass distributing the backlinks which can harm the offering that many subscribers have paid good money for. This isnt a free world, and people that pay for premium content certainly dont think that others should be able to freely download something that they have paid for. Sure we wont own the IP or rights to use the backlinks, but that isnt the point here... the main issue is about having a restricted club of website owners that want access to premium backlinks with the peace of mind that their packets wont be destroyed by unscrupulous folks that simply repost them on forums and message boards with no regard for everyone that has forked out cash to receive them

    If you're interested in having exclusive backlinks from high pagerank sites without the worry of having your site links removed in the first day (or anytime at all) then please contact me to get on the invitation list before spots sell out.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      password protected logins, plus secure content and unique tracking URLS in each packet to make sure that anyone leaking the packets can be removed from the club.
      LOL ... good luck with that. Sad to say really.

      To some of the other posters ...

      Whats the difference of me putting together a short eBook on how to effectively backlink ... sell it as a monthly service where I just subscribe to Angela, Pauls and Kok Choons monthly distro's and just kinda jumble them up in my own special way. The URLS to the sites are not Copyright protected - there are NO legal ramifications ... and to many - there are no ethical issues with such either.

      I get 30 from paul, 30 from angela .. remix each month and sell 60 for $9.97 ...??? Thats legal or more importantly .... ethical to you?

      Whats the difference in that versus - selling those sites as "backlinking services"? ... Style Points?

      Cause and effect are still the same. You're taking another warriors works, and taking customers that would likely be theirs had you not ... FREE'd their efforts and compiled information.

      Whether it can be stopped, or whether its "technically" illegal or legal has no bearing on whether its "ethical" or professional, or better yet - do those actions extend a warrior professional courtesy of not ripping your brother off. The sheer amount of warriors screwing fellow warriors over - off this site ... repulses me. And its the same douche bags blowing up your PM telling you all about the warrior code of discounted prices they are entitled to ...

      Make your own damn **** people. Are you so devoid of talent and ideas or just so freakin lazy you have to straight up rip off your fellow warriors, and try and justify it with some silly excuse about how its not protected by legal copyright laws. Pathetic.

      You know who you are.

      The journey to the top is a long one, the shortcuts that put your integrity on the line usually lead off the edge of a cliff. Good luck to you if thats the path you choose.

      After reading several of the posters here ... Im off to find that Vomit Bag website.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    Cant wait for your WSO ... Im sure it just wants to be FREE too ...

    Originally Posted by M0n3yMan View Post

    I have started to see a few disputes on some wso's about how they are violating the terms of the product by providing a link building service.

    The truth is that whilst you provide a list with screenshots there is no way you can stop people from providing a link building service using your lists. The only thing you can protect and legally take action on is the re-distribution of your product.

    There is no way you can say here is a list of sites but you can only use them for personal reasons or you cant provide the service as a wso, Unfortunately you dont own the sites in your list nor do you own warriorforum.

    I could make a list of directories or SB sites but I could not legally stop anyone using these sites any way they wanted.

    I can understand people wanting to protect their products but the product is just a list of resources so people can use them as they wish.

    this is not just angelas and pauls sites but any backlink list.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      No, you are cutting the originating author out of their sales. The buyer is buying from YOU, not the backlink site provider. You are effectively taking away sales from them using their own product as the tool to do it.

      Now if you affiliated their list/eBook/packet - like a true professional - not a bottom feeding douche bag ... to your customers for a special discounted price and tacked your "service" ..."time" on top of that - then more power to you.

      If I take that list and use it to sell back linking service, I just can't see anything wrong with that. If I was to make a list and sell that list, then I could see it, but that is not what is being discussed. The people that are offering the service are selling their time, not the list. I see the list they bought as a tool that they are using to accomplish their job, which is posting links.
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  • Profile picture of the author M0n3yMan
    I knew this would ruffle a few feathers and this debate is one of those where people are going to have different opinions on.

    4morereferrals I have already said how I feel about people re-distributing other peoples products. I dont have a WSO running and nor do I run a backlink service infact what sparked this all off was when I saw a few comments on a Backlink building service WSO and saw that people were saying you cant run this service in the warrior forum but can on others and the person respected the wish.

    There are plenty of ways to use the packets as a resource to provide a service without damaging the business of the packet owners, for instance you dont have to just build them as the packet comes out in that order, you could quite easily compile a master list and jumble them around and simply build how many links a customer wants, you could also state that if the customer wants specific links building then they have to send the list to you so that would mean if they want links building each month as and when then they would still need to be subscribed to the orisinal source of links.

    when you are selling a service your charging for your time. also the talk of ethics and professionalism make me laugh as whats ethical about spamming these websites every month with pointless profiles for links, please tell me about what is ethical/professional about that, If you would look in a few of these communities lets say the kickapps powered sites you will see how much of a headache this is for them so your ethics rant is a bit biased.

    and lastly I dont even subscribe to the lists and lets face it its not exaclty hard to find sites to post backlinks in with a few google searches.

    I also thinks others providing a limited member subscribed list is a good idea and it also adds value to both your product and the customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by M0n3yMan View Post


      when you are selling a service your charging for your time. also the talk of ethics and professionalism make me laugh as whats ethical about spamming these websites every month with pointless profiles for links, please tell me about what is ethical/professional about that, If you would look in a few of these communities lets say the kickapps powered sites you will see how much of a headache this is for them so your ethics rant is a bit biased.
      This is unavoidable, kickapps should have know how to counter these problems, such as "nofollow" the links and hide their software footprint better, however, the best way is, design a mechanism to let people put a link if they provide some kind of value.

      For instance, you comment on a blog and try to get a link back to your site, you end up helping the blogger create fresh new content, that's a value!

      As a marketer, we tends to find ways to acquire links, and cover our tracks as much as possible! Links = traffic = money, and Internet Marketer loves money
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