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Seeking Opinion/Experience about Ranking Brand New Domains

by irawr Banned
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I have not worked with brand new sites in a while and I recently started a pretty big project where I am starting a bunch of new sites and most of them are on brand new domains.

So a question to anybody who has done this recently: About how long/how many posts did it take before google started ranking any of your content?

I haven't built any links yet what so ever. Even if I was going to soon, it would just be whatever links I get from social media profiles/accounts.

I've done this before (tons of sites) and it seemed like it took a couple weeks and maybe 5-10 pages of content before Google actually ranked the content somewhere in the index. Obviously the ranks were bad since there were no links, but I haven't done this in over a year and most of them were prior to that.

I've heard it's a little bit harder now and I'm just trying to get some opinions and hopefully hear from some people who have experience doing this recently.

I have a game plan and the answer to this question doesn't actually change anything, other then maybe when certain phases start.

Please don't suggest I build links with Fiverr/GSA/Spam. I know this gets the site ranking faster and I don't care. Real websites that rank well did not engage in this kind of behavior when they were new, I don't want to send any low quality signals with 1-4 pages on content on my sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    As you didn't get any takers for your question, here's my 2c.

    I have launched 2 brand new sites in the last six months, each with 10 pages of content +policies etc. The keywords were not particularly competitive so most of them hit the first page in under six weeks with no backlinking at all, and in reply to another question you posted, they were indexed by Big G in 36 hours, my pings were also turned off, but I did run the domain URL's through the Page Speed tool.

    There is one thing that stood out in my testing, the sites were advertising products, all of them under $200 except one which was $600.

    For that product I deliberately wrote a super-duper piece of content, that was so good it could have graced the page of any site, the keyword comp was about the same, but that page never even showed up in the SERP's for 3 months, now it's static on page 7, which set me thinking about some sort filtering going on, but maybe it's my suspicious imagination?...
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If the keyword is buy auto insurance you won't be ranking anytime soon.

    On the other hand If the keyword is buy auto insurance buford wyoming (population: 1 or 2 on a good day) you might be ranking pages as early as today with a few backlinks that have a history of having the backlink pages re-indexed daily.

    My point is ranking revolves around what the competition is or isn't doing, it's not just about what you're doing with backlinks or on-page SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author irawr
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If the keyword is buy auto insurance you won't be ranking anytime soon.

      On the other hand If the keyword is buy auto insurance buford wyoming (population: 1 or 2 on a good day) you might be ranking pages as early as today with a few backlinks that have a history of having the backlink pages re-indexed daily.

      My point is ranking revolves around what the competition is or isn't doing, it's not just about what you're doing with backlinks or on-page SEO.
      I'm just trying to figure out when a new site actually gets included into the index assuming it has no backlinks after it gets crawled. Two of the sites (both 3 days old) now have some of their content showing up when I do an exact match search for their page title (of the article/post.) There's obviously no traffic (not expecting any either) and I don't think the pages are ranked for any phrase searches yet (again not really expecting them to be.)

      Edit: I didn't look, there might be traffic, I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. I don't have any tracking setup yet since I don't care at this moment in time

      I'm kind of conducing this experiment to see if google really does rank anything with no links (I know it does) and if so how long it takes. It's a flawed experiment since after about 30 days I'll be doing some basic link building, which is the "schedule" assuming I can get everything else setup in time (behind so far it's a lot of sites so.)

      I was hoping somebody else had conducted a similar experiment so I can just, well, not do it
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim3
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      My point is ranking revolves around what the competition is or isn't doing, it's not just about what you're doing with backlinks or on-page SEO.
      That's a very good point, it's easy for folks just to think of their own sites, and what they are doing, but not bearing in mind how many other sites around them are doing the same activities, then panicking when their site drops a few places, and posting on here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    As soon as your site gets indexed it is technically ranking. Just ranking badly if it's a normal site with little content and no links.

    If you have some sort of big marketing campaign that gets tons of links to it, you can rank your site immediately. But that's mostly for professionals who know exactly what they're doing and either have a big budget or lots of hype for their product/website.
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    • Profile picture of the author irawr
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      Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

      As soon as your site gets indexed it is technically ranking. Just ranking badly if it's a normal site with little content and no links.

      If you have some sort of big marketing campaign that gets tons of links to it, you can rank your site immediately. But that's mostly for professionals who know exactly what they're doing and either have a big budget or lots of hype for their product/website.
      Negative. The content is not ranking on any phase searches at all. Not even ranked in the 400-500 range. From experience, I'm not really expecting it to at this point.

      It would be really weird for a tiny website with a handful or less articles to get any links at all. Other then maybe social media account links.

      Like I indicated before, there's a plan here, I can't get all these sites magically up and looking like they're established, quality sites. Even with help from some people it does take some time. Not to mention I still have a legion of sites to maintain.

      I'm just trying to figure out when will content start to rank on anything other then quoted searches when the site has zero links. If it turns out that nobody knows then I'll keep this thread updated but like I said before at some point the plan is to build quality links into these. Probably when they don't look like they're missing the little construction sign .gif that sites around 2000 loved to display.

      Edit: Answer: apparently it's weird, one site is ranking on phrase matches and it only has 1 piece of content. Ranked #89 on a 2 word phrase with zero backlinks after 3 days. Multi billion dollar companies in the space as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by irawr View Post


        I'm just trying to figure out when will content start to rank on anything other then quoted searches when the site has zero links. If it turns out that nobody knows then I'll keep this thread updated but like I said before at some point the plan is to build quality links into these. Probably when they don't look like they're missing the little construction sign .gif that sites around 2000 loved to display.
        As Yukon has indicated its a matter of competition. We have had forum threads and used words like zeperhilitist and within a few hours the thread ranked for it. Since no one else had the word there we were.

        You are not going to rank for anything competitive without links though. That test has been done and done and done even by forum members and all the tests indicated content gets you only so far.
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        • Profile picture of the author irawr
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          As Yukon has indicated its a matter of competition. We have had forum threads and used words like zeperhilitist and within a few hours the thread ranked for it. Since no one else had the word there we were.

          You are not going to rank for anything competitive without links though. That test has been done and done and done even by forum members and all the tests indicated content gets you only so far.
          I'm aware of that. I'm really trying to figure out how much time it takes for google to actually integrate brand new sites into the index used for phrase searches (the one that matters.) I understand that sending any signal that google uses to rank sites will increase the speed at which this occurs. I'm trying to figure out how long it takes when you don't send any.

          To be clear, it really doesn't matter, I would just like to know. So far it actually seems faster then it was a year ago, not slower. This to me, partly disproves the "sandbox" nonsense that people believe. I don't remember ever ranking anywhere on anything with a 3 day old site with 1 piece of content and zero links. Unless it was a quoted search, which actually uses a different index.

          Edit: I also posted this but nobody cared.

          https://www.warriorforum.com/search-...g-nothing.html
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