I Am Beginning To Believe That Fast Link Building Is Bad

Google doesn't crawl every site every day so it will not pick up all the backlinks you create at the same time anyway. It sometimes takes a month or two for it to even pick up a backlink you make.

I speak of it because in the past when I have done things to build hundreds of links a week I got no pr, this time I only do 4 or five and now I have Pr. I find it kind of weird. Maybe Google has some tricks we do not know about. We all walk around thinking that do-follow or no-follow means something, but maybe this is what Google wants us to think.

Now Now Robin, I have already proved this in email to you ... Google has no idea what type of backlinks you are building and where and when and how... That's right, they do not know... Fact : Google can not be in all places at aonce and google does not know who or what is creating those backlinks.

As I have provided you with hard proof from google itself - Quliaty matters over quantity any day of the week but at the same time you should be listed everyplace you can get listed.

I am not going to release those results here but you have seen this for your own eyes. Brand new site, not even launched yet and almost dominating google 1st and 2nd page for a several HIGHLY COMPETITIVE keyword phrase...

Syndication is a powerful thing and let's just put to rest this crap about "if you build links too fast you will suffer" .. If I publish a press release with PR Web and I pay the $300 or whatever it is now for their full blown service then guess what ?? My press release is going to thousands upon thousands of place "All At One Time" ... This is just one example, do you think my site or press release will suffer ??? No! fact is it is done every single day by many individuals and news sites.

James

This is nothing to do with speed.

Hundreds a month/week is nothing.

Google don't care how fast your links come.

It's NORMAL for a business to advertise and get hundreds of links in a day.

If all you do is write a few articles and submit them with isnare over a couple of months you can easily get a PR of 5 (I do this all the time).

The search engines care more about the quality of the links (if you're constantly interlinking your own sites, they'll start penalising the links), but if they're coming from unrelated sites all over the internet - why would they penalise it?

The reason people think that follow or no-follow means something is because they care about traffic and links.

Speculating about what Google has in its algorithms is a waste of time.

Google show you what they like - they put them at the top of the search engine results.

Any normal business will get lots of links quickly - that's not a problem in itself.

YOU FELL FOR MY TRICK RICH JERK. NOW TELL ME HOW YOU DO IT

My blog used to be ranked #5, and when I left it in the dust for a few months, it went down to #31!

So yes and no! Fast linkbuilding is good for short-term results (I used blog commenting, squidoo, and directories!) and longterm linkbuilding is good! (High PR backlinks)

I am not sure what your point is with your PR3 statement. What value does a PR have anyway? I often see PR0 as the first listing in a search, and generally traffic will depend highly on where you land in the search results. So other than bragging rights, what good is that ranking for anyway?

Back links help with your position on the SERPS as far as I can determine. So he who has the most, best back links will usually win. I am sure that the PR rank is in the alog, but must be a minor part. But when you are placing your links, the higher the PR the more they will boost your position. That is when it counts, as far as I can determine anyway.

I am open to someone telling me that I am full of crap though. But so far, that is what I understand the situation to be.

Exactly Tim!

I keep seeing people rating their SEO by what their PR is when all it means is that you OUTGOING Links carry more juice! If your goal is to sell links then great! Congrats!!

Otherwise you need to monitor your position on Google for your keywords...

Starting in May, I built 60 sites, each with 5-10 pages of fully unique, well written content.

Since then I have added about 300-500 links to each site. Currently, Yahoo is showing about 100-200 backlinks for each site.

95% of them are sandboxed, and have been since April or May. NO traffic at all; buried DEEP in the search results for their targeted keywords, or not showing up at all (but they are all still indexed).

So yes, speed does matter, combined with quality. I must have gotten too many poor quality links too quickly. I don't know what else it could be.

I think that when you are submitting site to directories, you can go fast with that, but when you are posting for blogs, forums, or social bookmarking sites, you need to be slow, and post with responsibility, or you may get negative points for spamming.

well, from my personal experience, Google ignores fast link building in some industries. However, it definitely has a red flag status for quick link building in other industries.

The so called sandbox does not actually exist. What's really happening is that Google is noticing an unnatural backlink profile and devaluing those links. Thats why you may have a site that ranks high, then drops and doesnt come back (unlike the traditional Google Dance effect). This may appear to be a sandbox but whats actually happened is the backlinks have just been devalued, thus placing you where your site should actually be.

I believe that if you only have dofollow links, that Google will become suspicious. That would be unnatural. You need to have plenty of nofollow links, as well as dofollow. No follow are not worth as much obviously, but they still have value. And Google is not the only search engine, but it is the only one that pays attention to the do or don't follow code. So those nofollow links will count for Bing and Yahoo and the others. If you don't have any of them, then it is a little suspicious, because the world does not react that way.

It is a little suspect to me that Google cares what industry you are in regards the speed at which you get links. Of all the things in the algorithm it is hard for me to buy that the industry that you are in gives you a variant to the speed at which you can accumulate links.

If you did something that got the notice of the world, and hundreds of thousands of sites put something on their site about you, Google would then penalize you? Somehow I doubt that. Google is not going to penalize you for something that someone else did, and they do not have any way to tell if you are spreading those links or they are being generated by the site owner, in most cases.

None of us know for sure what Google does, but believing in that rises to the level of believing in the tooth fairy, as far as I am concerned. I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again, and if I am wrong about this, then I can live with it. But this is what I believe.

Disagree with almost everyone

My experience, is not how many too many or not enough...

CONSTANT LINK BUILDING

I have one site I try and add 200 - 500 a day. 6 days a week. yes it left google for about 2 weeks, but I kept building.....now is back doing well. Let me mention these tops and they are true

1. All links should have my keyword = FALSE! Make some links like this

URL
here
link


I do this, as many blogger really link this way, so I mix and match those as my anchor text.

2. Releveant links only - FALSE. Again get some anywhere. Some, not all.
3. PR4 or higher - FALSe - Are we trying to look natural or not?

My 2 cents....