CrowdSearch.me doesnt work. Any alternatives?

Thanks man... OK then... looks like I'm going to have to hammer the support desk for answers... I was going to cancel...

I have 4 KW's sitting at #2 and #3 that refuse to float to #1.... I didn't think it would be hard to achieve with CS. But I'm obviously doing something wrong...

Appreciate the input!

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sarge1978

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sarge1978

Thanks man... OK then... looks like I'm going to have to hammer the support desk for answers... I was going to cancel...

I have 4 KW's sitting at #2 and #3 that refuse to float to #1.... I didn't think it would be hard to achieve with CS. But I'm obviously doing something wrong...

Appreciate the input!

Well I got to the bottom of it.... Here's a quote from helpdesk:

"We are involved in some pretty major SEO private groups and masterminds, and the general consensus across the board is that things are moving very slowly right now in the algorithm."

- So we are expected to pay 100's a month to 'hope' that things will change in the serps?

In regards to my #3 & #2 rankings I was told by helpdesk: "but we are seeing that the page 1 spots (particularly the top 3 spots) are rock solid and move at a snail's pace with user engagement , ie. CrowdSearch being at the forefront of such endeavors; albeit taking months in some cases before Google even thinks about shuffling those top 3 positions."

- So anything in #2 or #3 wont move.... and Ive heard the great Jimmy Kelley state that Crowd Search wont move anything that's at #12 or higher.... that leaves a very small window for your KW's to move.

Ive come to the conclusion that CS used to work, but now the Google algorythm has got too smart....

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Jeff Burritt

Banned 8 years ago

sourcewave marketplace has some crowdsearching gigs you might try.

I've found that sometimes I do better just paying for someone else to use the software if they're getting better results. Then you can compare their results with yours and try to figure out what they are doing differently.

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seobro

8 years ago

OK so micro workers still works and it is not expensive. What about five errors. They might have something for you. Also, look at SEO clerks as they are big in our arena.

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sarge1978

8 years ago

Originally Posted by seobro

OK so micro workers still works and it is not expensive. What about five errors. They might have something for you. Also, look at SEO clerks as they are big in our arena.

Thanks mate. I was going to try micro workers... but all the micro workers come from India and Bangladesh... Im sure getting a heap of signals for these countries are a red flag? (I don't trust that they change their IP's and spoof their MAC address every time)

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lisadan1

8 years ago

2 months doesn't seem that long to me especially when you're talking about movement in the top 10 results. No offense but I don't think anyone pays much attention to Network Empire these days since they got called out on a bunch of stuff months ago.

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paivadaniel

8 years ago

I would have read this post earlier, this CrowdSearch.me is horrible. I burned my money.

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marcell12

8 years ago

I've been using this for my SEO clients since the beginning really. Couldn't live without it now. Always helps push my keyword rank through sticking points.

edit: +1 to Jeff's idea though. I know there are some people who are geniuses at setting these things up perfectly with referral traffic, etc. so it might make things less of a headache.

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vovanfree

8 years ago

Hi sarge1978, think it through - if they had a system that worked, why would they sell their secret? It makes more sense to benefit from it. The answer is simple, because it doesn't work, it's not even visible in google analytics.

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Josh MacDonald

8 years ago

SerpClix has thousands of micro clickers working around the clock. Plans range from $50 to $1000+.

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webby0031

8 years ago

Hello people.

Click and Search is Bullshit it does not make f all difference. DO not waste your money.

I know OMG training pushes this but its just to get people to sign up to CROWDSEARCH.me

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dave_hermansen

8 years ago

Although I definitely believe that CTR is a significant part of Google's algorithm, I never believe that an automated solution is the answer to anything related to SEO. Many things like this seem to work well at the beginning but eventually they stop working, perhaps because Google, too,discovers the tool, sees how it works, what IP addresses are being used and eventually ignores all of those IP addresses with their algorithm. I wouldn't be surprised if Google signs up for their own account as part of their IP address collection process. That's just my theory about why these things all eventually end up failing. I know it is what I'd be doing if I was Google. Nobody knows what's really going on behind the Google curtain.

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webby0031

8 years ago

Originally Posted by dave_hermansen

Although I definitely believe that CTR is a significant part of Google's algorithm,.

And you're an SEO ? really ?

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dave_hermansen

8 years ago

Originally Posted by webby0031

And you're an SEO ? really ?

There is a whole lot of disagreement about this in the SEO community. Rand Fishkin, Larry Kim, Brian Dean and many others believe there is a correlation between CTR and rankings. I'm not sure if they "call themselves SEOs" (where have I ever used such a sophomoric term to describe myself?).

Because NOBODY has the inside track on the Google algorithm, nobody can know for sure. We know what we have seen with the more than 50 websites we currently own when we optimize nothing but title tags ad meta description tags that result in better click through rates - our rankings go up. Coincidence? Maybe; maybe not.

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GiorgosK

7 years ago

Originally Posted by dave_hermansen

There is a whole lot of disagreement about this in the SEO community. Rand Fishkin, Larry Kim, Brian Dean and many others believe there is a correlation between CTR and rankings. I'm not sure if they "call themselves SEOs" (where have I ever used such a sophomoric term to describe myself?).

Because NOBODY has the inside track on the Google algorithm, nobody can know for sure. We know what we have seen with the more than 50 websites we currently own when we optimize nothing but title tags ad meta description tags that result in better click through rates - our rankings go up. Coincidence? Maybe; maybe not.

Well if google did not use CTR and Bounce rates as part of their ranking then they would be losing out on important real life data for their algorithms ... think about it. I know if I was building the a ranking algorithm I would be using such data to rank sites.

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DABK

7 years ago

And if you used such data, how would you know I left a page because I thought its content sucked or because I really, really needed to pee? How would you know I did not click on another page on the site because I found what I was looking on the page I landed and found it fast?

And how would you handle people like me? I do a search, open the first 4 or 5 results, then look at one or two, not necessarily in the order I opened them, leaving the other 2 or 3 results unseen, open for a long time?

Originally Posted by GiorgosK

Well if google did not use CTR and Bounce rates as part of their ranking then they would be losing out on important real life data for their algorithms ... think about it. I know if I was building the a ranking algorithm I would be using such data to rank sites.

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Josh MacDonald 7 years ago

Originally Posted by webby0031

And you're an SEO ? really ?

It's actually 4th on Moz's list of Google ranking factors.
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vic1

8 years ago

CTR is part of rankings; Google has admitted it at least 2 times in 2016.
Search it for yourself.

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cbpayne

7 years ago

Originally Posted by vic1

CTR is part of rankings; Google has admitted it at least 2 times in 2016.
Search it for yourself.

No they have not said that. Please show us the sources where you think they said that.

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vic1

7 years ago

Originally Posted by cbpayne

No they have not said that. Please show us the sources where you think they said that.

Yes they have.

As I said, search it yourself, if you would have, you wouldn't ask me for sources; like I'm going to take the time to get you the links.

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DABK

7 years ago

You mean here? How Google Uses Clicks in Search Results, According to Google "At SMX Advanced earlier this month, Gary Illyes from Google spoke about how Google uses and does not use clicks. Google uses clicks made in the search results in two different ways for evaluation and for experimentation but not for ranking."

Do you know how easy it is to manipulate clicks? Much easier than backlinks. So why open yourself to that, if you're a search engine?

Or is this it: Google Patents Click-Through Feedback on Search Results to Improve Rankings - SEO by the Sea

Or here: #SMX Advanced keynote: Google's Gary Illyes talks RankBrain, Penguin update & more

Originally Posted by vic1

CTR is part of rankings; Google has admitted it at least 2 times in 2016.
Search it for yourself.

Originally Posted by vic1

Yes they have.

As I said, search it yourself, if you would have, you wouldn't ask me for sources; like I'm going to take the time to get you the links.

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Khm Lee

7 years ago

Originally Posted by DABK

You mean here? How Google Uses Clicks in Search Results, According to Google "At SMX Advanced earlier this month, Gary Illyes from Google spoke about how Google uses and does not use clicks. Google uses clicks made in the search results in two different ways for evaluation and for experimentation but not for ranking."

Do you know how easy it is to manipulate clicks? Much easier than backlinks. So why open yourself to that, if you're a search engine?

Or is this it: Google Patents Click-Through Feedback on Search Results to Improve Rankings - SEO by the Sea

Or here: #SMX Advanced keynote: Google's Gary Illyes talks RankBrain, Penguin update & more

Does this not go against google algorithm? Its a hot topic since 2013, but i have never seen any proof about this. Maybe this is something google implemented before, but obviously they are just trying to be silent on this aspect as it really has some significance in the ranking...in case, clicks are getting bypass, perhaps a good question in mind is how bounce rate are fairly related to this..

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DABK

7 years ago

I guess you didn't read the articles. Google representatives say Google does not use clicks for ranking, they use them for other things. Google did get some kind of patent on clicks. Another Google representative says the way they use clicks is like this:
if a site got a bunch of clicks in Dec 2015 and none for the next 3 months, they're thinking interest in its content has passed, so they move it down the ranks.
So, it's not that you need lots of clicks, you need sameness, if you rank #2 and get 3 to 10 clicks a month every month, you're just as good as if you ranked #3 and got 7000-8000 clicks a month, every month.

Put another way, you don't have to be popular, but your popularity level should not go down.

Originally Posted by Khm Lee

Does this not go against google algorithm? Its a hot topic since 2013, but i have never seen any proof about this. Maybe this is something google implemented before, but obviously they are just trying to be silent on this aspect as it really has some significance in the ranking...in case, clicks are getting bypass, perhaps a good question in mind is how bounce rate are fairly related to this..

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cbpayne 7 years ago

Originally Posted by vic1

Yes they have.

As I said, search it yourself, if you would have, you wouldn't ask me for sources; like I'm going to take the time to get you the links.

I can not find any articles anywhere where Google say they use clicks as a ranking factor.

I calling you out as just making this up.
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